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[UGetPaid]

My question to you,when you have mass or anything else rosaries etc.is the HM still used?

It is not a part of the Mass itself, but the Hail Mary is still a central part of the rosary, definitely.

[LaTashaS28]

Not me. Maybe next year.

[Donnamarg323]

My question to you,when you have mass or anything else rosaries etc.is the HM still used?

It is not a part of the Mass itself, but the Hail Mary is still a central part of the rosary, definitely.

Thank you for the reply.

Aside from paying respect at funerals i didnt have a clue.So Mary still is venerated.While JWs hold her in regard to being 1 of the 144000 that will rule in heaven and rule heaven and earth from Gods kingdom in heaven,for what its worth to you you already know Jesus is the only mediator to Jehovah,but you might also consider this scripture.

8  Well I, John, was the one hearing and seeing these things. When I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing me these things. 9  But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers the prophets and of those observing the words of this scroll. Worship God.

From REV 22:8-9

[UGetPaid]

*** So Mary still is venerated.
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Worship God.

I clipped out much of your post to lay the emphasis on these two comments you made. This is the correct terminology and distinction. 


 
There may still be some Catholicism inside you yet! 
 


(Please don't be offended - it is meant as a wink/joke - not an insult!)

[Donnamarg323]

*** So Mary still is venerated.
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Worship God.

I clipped out much of your post to lay the emphasis on these two comments you made. This is the correct terminology and distinction. 


 
There may still be some Catholicism inside you yet! 
 


(Please don't be offended - it is meant as a wink/joke - not an insult!)

I hope you appreciate my honesty.When i asked you if the HM prayer was as popular today as it was 60 yrs ago i based that on the times i may have been in church for funerals.Over the yrs it seemed to me the church got away from saying it.

It was more popular in the NFL then it was in church,so i thought they may have finally used the bible to show us how God felt about it.I gave you 2 examples from the bible that shows NO one else but Jesus was his fathers mediator and NO one else deserves to be worshipped...Mary,Saints etc.

It was a curious question i had cos again i havent been to a regular Catholic mass in yrs and of course i know what bible says RE the point i brought up.

I will admit i used the post as a teaching tool with the bible to back up the JWs teaching.I wasnt trying to insult you either.....just trying to present it with good intention.

In this world you can show proof from the bible to people who say they support it and to those that think its a myth.Thats how i became knowing the JWs were Gods people.To others they fall snare to what they have been brrought up on and refuse to let go or just the fact they arent interested.

Anyway i assure you i brought this whole thing up out of curiosity and to teach.NOT to debate or argue over.

Again to show the lack of interest the world has in bible truths,im not sure what the population of the earth was in Noahs day,but Noah preached what God would do to a wicked world.ONLY 8 survived the flood.Jesus likened todays times to Noahs day.

[UGetPaid]

I hope you appreciate my honesty.
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It was a curious question i had cos again i havent been to a regular Catholic mass in yrs and of course i know what bible says RE the point i brought up.
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Anyway i assure you i brought this whole thing up out of curiosity and to teach.NOT to debate or argue over.

Sure - I appreciate and recognize your honesty. I think my point was that there IS a real difference between veneration and worship. As Catholics, we venerate (respect) Mary for her role in bringing Jesus into the world. Worship is saved for only God/Jesus/Holy Spirit - all are in the Bible.


Our respect for Mary is not worship.


No arguing here. Just discussion.
 

[calendria]

 


 

 
Back to Christmas Lights.  I love having them, not putting them up and taking them down!  (Senior, so I keep them at ground level now)

[Donnamarg323]

I hope you appreciate my honesty.
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It was a curious question i had cos again i havent been to a regular Catholic mass in yrs and of course i know what bible says RE the point i brought up.
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Anyway i assure you i brought this whole thing up out of curiosity and to teach.NOT to debate or argue over.

Sure - I appreciate and recognize your honesty. I think my point was that there IS a real difference between veneration and worship. As Catholics, we venerate (respect) Mary for her role in bringing Jesus into the world. Worship is saved for only God/Jesus/Holy Spirit - all are in the Bible.


Our respect for Mary is not worship.


No arguing here. Just discussion.
 

The angel told Mary God had found much favor with her to be his mother.Respect is fine.Maybe i used wrong word in venerate.But you have to admit <and i dont know if Catholics do this>Christendom teaches to ask saints etc to mediate to God.Again its clear as day Jesus was the Word and ONLY one to mediate.

[linderlizzie]

Just not up to it this year. my son is dead; my step kids wany nothing to do with us; my father-in-law was just diagnosed with esophageal cancer; my sister, nephew, niece, nephew in law, 2 great nieces (one only 6 weeks old) all just got covid. our church kicked us out because we stood up against minister that lied about us and slandered us. Basically, we are tired of life.

sorry for the depressing answer 

I'm so sorry, ssarber. I hope the new year has better things in store for you.

Don't give up. Remember that "It's always darkest before the dawn."

[UGetPaid]

The angel told Mary God had found much favor with her to be his mother.Respect is fine.Maybe i used wrong word in venerate.But you have to admit <and i dont know if Catholics do this>Christendom teaches to ask saints etc to mediate to God.Again its clear as day Jesus was the Word and ONLY one to mediate.

Quite the contrary, I think you used the perfect word when you said "venerate" - which was my original point. You mentioned the veneration of Mary and the worship of God. In a nutshell, that is exactly what Catholics do. Your understanding of the role of the saints is also spot on in my understanding. We pray to them to intercede for us.


But where our understandings differ (assuming I am understand you correctly) is that Jesus was himself only a mediator. That just simply is not true!

[UGetPaid]

Just not up to it this year. my son is dead; my step kids wany nothing to do with us; my father-in-law was just diagnosed with esophageal cancer; my sister, nephew, niece, nephew in law, 2 great nieces (one only 6 weeks old) all just got covid. our church kicked us out because we stood up against minister that lied about us and slandered us. Basically, we are tired of life.

sorry for the depressing answer 

ssarber, I'm sorry. I missed your response before and only just noticed it when linderlizzie replied to you. Prayers to you and your family.

[calendria]

 

 

BACK to Christmas Lights !! 

[ssarber]

Just not up to it this year. my son is dead; my step kids wany nothing to do with us; my father-in-law was just diagnosed with esophageal cancer; my sister, nephew, niece, nephew in law, 2 great nieces (one only 6 weeks old) all just got covid. our church kicked us out because we stood up against minister that lied about us and slandered us. Basically, we are tired of life.

sorry for the depressing answer 

I'm so sorry, ssarber. I hope the new year has better things in store for you.

Don't give up. Remember that "It's always darkest before the dawn."

Thank you for your kind words. I realized how depressing it sounded. I am trying to look up and pray for better days. Thank you for the reminder.

[ssarber]

Just not up to it this year. my son is dead; my step kids wany nothing to do with us; my father-in-law was just diagnosed with esophageal cancer; my sister, nephew, niece, nephew in law, 2 great nieces (one only 6 weeks old) all just got covid. our church kicked us out because we stood up against minister that lied about us and slandered us. Basically, we are tired of life.

sorry for the depressing answer 

ssarber, I'm sorry. I missed your response before and only just noticed it when linderlizzie replied to you. Prayers to you and your family.

Thank you so much for that. I felt bad after I wrote that because it was such a depressing response. I appreciate your kind words and prayers. That means a lot.

[Donnamarg323]

The angel told Mary God had found much favor with her to be his mother.Respect is fine.Maybe i used wrong word in venerate.But you have to admit <and i dont know if Catholics do this>Christendom teaches to ask saints etc to mediate to God.Again its clear as day Jesus was the Word and ONLY one to mediate.

Quite the contrary, I think you used the perfect word when you said "venerate" - which was my original point. You mentioned the veneration of Mary and the worship of God. In a nutshell, that is exactly what Catholics do. Your understanding of the role of the saints is also spot on in my understanding. We pray to them to intercede for us.


But where our understandings differ (assuming I am understand you correctly) is that Jesus was himself only a mediator. That just simply is not true!

Im not sure what you mean when you say Jesus only a mediator?

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/pray-in-jesus-name/

Of couse he is Gods begotten son,the ark-angel Michael as well and he represents his father.But again HE never challenged being God.This is where the trinity comes in and we know each others stance on that.