Broken Catholic statues

[Donnamarg323]

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20120801/When-Did-Jesus-Become-King/

[cateyes1]

Why would someone break catholic statues.  How cruel.

It fell and broke, I would NEVER intentionally break one ever !

[UGetPaid]

Your religeon and a bunch of others in this world support stuff thats NOT even in the bible.Wouldnt you think that was a red flag?

Not a red flag at all as far as I am concerned. I don't believe there is any line in the bible that specifically says "This is the only source of what is true and everything that exists as truth is spelled out in full and complete detail in these writings." That doesn't mean that sacred traditions outside of the bible are UNtrue or are satanic.

I asked you a bunch of questions RE your teachings,you didnt answer 1 of them.

I don't have all the "official" answers to all of the questions about Catholicism and I cannot always figure out exactly what you are asking because you tend to jump around from topic to topic with different vague references a lot. I am not an expert apologist. I don't think that makes my faith and opinions any less valid. Just because I don't have a satisfactory response doesn't mean that you win the debate. Do you get where I am going there? There are a lot of great explanations about what and how and why the Catholic Church believes online from people like Tim Staples and Trent Horn and Jimmy Akin (three guys who really explain things well on the Catholic Answers Live radio program). I cannot recite things as well as they do - or as you seem to do about JW.

Thousands at Yankee Stadium for an assemble.Not a speck of trash on the ground.Get the point?

I am missing the point here, actually.

Yes i was brought up a catholic.They made God sound like he was wicked.Punish me forever in hell fire for eating a ham sandwich on Fri?LOL!!!

People and systems evolve and change. I can tell you that there is nobody today in the Catholic Church who is going to condemn you to hell for eating meat on Friday. But the core beliefs are eternal and universal. The Eucharist for example.

My overall impression of you in this forum is you seem to be a decent guy.I would bet you never had anything to do with Hitch0403 like Jedi and CG did.

Thank you. I try to be. And I know that you do also. I never had any direct issues with Hitch0403, but just like with you - I try to understand, but also try to explain as best I can what my religion truly is and truly believes. Many of the impressions that you have stated about Catholics are simply based on misinformation. But to ask for specific scriptural proof of some of those beliefs - otherwise they are false and Satanic = is not going to get us anywhere because many of those beliefs are from sacred tradition and not printed in black and white in the bible. That does not make them invalid because as I said, the bible never says anywhere that everything MUST be in there for it to be true and valid.

[Donnamarg323]

Ill take your post in parts UGP......

2nd Tim 3:16 says all scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching,reproving and setting matters straight.IOW Jehovah wrote the bible and his instruction is for our benefit.Our rightful ruler but no one is forced to obey,we arent robots.Of course our lives will depend on it.He will not allow another rebellion like Satan and A&E did.He allowed it to go on to prove a point it would fail......and it has.

Catholic religeon never answered my question why God permits wickedness on earth.JWs did.Also explained why we died and what ransom was by Jesus and how we were put here to live forever and make earth a paradise and rebellion in Eden explained.And also book of Job how Satan challenged Jehovah.

1000s of JWs at assembly.Loving,peaceable and well behaved.

When i was a child eating meat on a Fri was a mortal sin punishable forever in hellfire when we died.Made God look evil. i know rules have changed on the fly now.EX Even the pope supports gay marriage now and this guy is supposed to be leader of Catholics?While the gay lifestyle has been more accepted today,God has said it will not be tolerated in his kingdom on earth.

Thank you

[UGetPaid]

God doesn't "permit" wickedness on earth, but He DOES permit free will. Some people (and some angels) choose to do wicked things due to free will. The Catholic church has always taught this.


The pope does not and has never said that he supports gay marriage. That is an absolute myth, but is being spread by many who are trying to say something different than what Pope Francis said.


I don't see any specific points in your other two paragraphs that are misinformed or posing a question. I don't disagree about the peaceful nature of JWs in general or that the scriptures are the inspired word of God.


This is by no means fully comprehensive nor does it answer all of your questions/objections, but this short 8 minute YouTube video explains some of the history and theology behind the Catholic Church.

[Donnamarg323]

God doesn't "permit" wickedness on earth, but He DOES permit free will. Some people (and some angels) choose to do wicked things due to free will. The Catholic church has always taught this.


The pope does not and has never said that he supports gay marriage. That is an absolute myth, but is being spread by many who are trying to say something different than what Pope Francis said.


I don't see any specific points in your other two paragraphs that are misinformed or posing a question. I don't disagree about the peaceful nature of JWs in general or that the scriptures are the inspired word of God.


This is by no means fully comprehensive nor does it answer all of your questions/objections, but this short 8 minute YouTube video explains some of the history and theology behind the Catholic Church.

Allowed wickedness on earth.I never meant God supports wickedness if thats what u mean.God allowed slavery when he was against that and tried to run it more fair.Would permit be the same?Dont nit-pick.

If the pope just went to the bible RE gays it woulda been that simple if what he said was out of context.This jerk seems like he wants to re-write the bible.

Getting back to wickedness,God always gave ample time when he was being disobeyed for repentance too before he punished those that disobeyed.

Just like he is doing today what he plans on doing.He likened it to Noahs day.Noah preached and not many listened when only 8 survived the flood.As Jesus said the rd was broad and spacious to destruction starting with Christendom <Babylon the great>in Revelation being destroyed by worldly governments.

[UGetPaid]

Allowed wickedness on earth.I never meant God supports wickedness if thats what u mean.God allowed slavery when he was against that and tried to run it more fair.Would permit be the same?Dont nit-pick.

If the pope just went to the bible RE gays it woulda been that simple if what he said was out of context.This jerk seems like he wants to re-write the bible.

Getting back to wickedness,God always gave ample time when he was being disobeyed for repentance too before he punished those that disobeyed.

Just like he is doing today what he plans on doing.He likened it to Noahs day.Noah preached and not many listened when only 8 survived the flood.As Jesus said the rd was broad and spacious to destruction starting with Christendom <Babylon the great>in Revelation being destroyed by worldly governments.

Did you watch the video I linked? Just curious.



I was neither nit-picking nor saying that you meant something different. I was just answering your question about the Catholic position as I understand it with regard to wickedness in the world. God allows free will. Evil enters as a result of that free will.


The pope does not support gay marriage. You said previously that he does. He does not. Calling him a jerk who wants to re-write the bible doesn't really advance your argument. There are false news articles that claim the pope supports gay marriage. I am not equating the two - simply making an analogy - but there were many articles that made false claims about Donald Trump as well. I cannot compete with those stories with a slanted agenda.

[Donnamarg323]

Never saw link

[Donnamarg323]

RE the pope

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101996489

[UGetPaid]

What's Catholic? | Catholic Central


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4

[Donnamarg323]

What's Catholic? | Catholic Central


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4

The God who sent us Jesus.Tsk tsk,never mentions his name.

Anyway im big on the Alan Parsons Project.You will be surprised i like this song.

https://youtu.be/7GUZ0I7LUq0

[Donnamarg323]

Hey UGP i just realized a couple of things.

First you mentioned Sandusky,Ohio.You probably know why i say this but im surprised they never changed the name of the city/town.

Also i never said Satan had anything to do with Jesus birth,but indirectly he did.After the rebellion in Eden where he was responsible for A&E to sin Jehovah sent Jesus to earth to vindicate his name and to ransom the human race back to perfection.So even tho Linder doesnt have a clue to my bible posts im not sure where she got that from.But as i just said,Satan was indirectly respnsible for God to make provision to vindicate his name and save the human race from sin.Remember a perfect life for the perfect one A&E threw away is Gods justice.

We all know what John 3:16 reads.

But i expect some foolish retort from someone who doesnt have a clue and maybe by saying this now i hope i dont get one,so forgive me for again putting up the truth.<sarcasm as usual>

For more clarification on this go read in Genesis when God sentences the serpent how he will put enmity between his seed <Jesus> and the serpent <Satan>How Jesus will bruise him in the head <the knock out blow>and satan will bruise Jesus in the heel <just wounding him> Genesis 3:15.First of all bible prophecys.After Jesus 1000 yr rein on earth with Gods kingdom ruling from heaven the part of Jesus bruising the devil in the head will be fulfilled.Satan put out of existence along with his angels and mankind that supported him.

[Donnamarg323]

I just went to JW.org and in my previous posts i used the word indirectly.

BUT.....it looks like DIRECTLY can be correct.The name Jesus means Jehovah is Salvation and after A&E doomed the human race God immediately made provision when he sentenced the serpent.

YES Satan was responsible for what God did as well as A&E disobeying.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002921

And in an earlier link Jesus became king of Gods kingdom in 1914 when Satan and his angels were hurled out of heaven to the confines on the earth.

I thought i would bring this up too RE false religeon that teaches the hell theory.

Notice in book of Job how Satan is in heaven and God asks him where have you been and Job answers roving about in earth.

Also in Revelation where war breaks out in heaven and Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven to the confines of the earth.

Looks like he never made it to the hell that false religeon teaches.

It also says at end of Revelation with final test of mankind after Jesus 1000 yr rein that Satan who was abyssed is let loose again and deceives many again and then he is totally destroyed forever and put out of existence....along with those that are on his side.

So much for the hell theory that Satan has blinded many with to make God look evil.I always wondered that when i was a child and i thank Jehovah for letting me understand the truth.

1 last thing brought up too many times.Satan has insulted Jesus as a babe when his father made him KING of KINGS for his kingdom.You have some here that cant seem to grasp that.Its the same as worshipping an idol.Many scriptures have been put up here how God feeels about being ccompared to a piece of wood etc.

Doesnt it make sense?A God creating the MARVELOUS universe being compared as a good luck charm in the form of a dead piece of plastic.How would you like to be compared to cow manure?

I rest my case.

Oh BTW,Jehovah told Moses,"No man can see me and live".

Makes sense eh?Lets just use the sun how powerfful it is,what must he look like?

Oh yeh and then theres millions of other stars!!!!!

It shows you the ignorance what chrisendom is putting into others heads guided by Satan.

Oh and dont forget to read 2nd chaptor of Mathew about that cute nativity scene that turned into a murderous spree.

And yet you have some watching Xmas movies in July!!!Gimme a break!!

[mrsmere]

I don't know either.