Coincidence or answered prayer?

[hitch0403]

Meditate on this...

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [ other ] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [ other ] things have been created through him and for him.
Col. 1:15, "firstborn of all creation" | CARM.org
carm.org/col-115-firstborn-all-creation

Also even tho Jesus was godlike because of Jehovah...the titles lord and god have been given even to men.

Jesus Died!!!He was mortal.Jehovah has always been and will be forever God almighty.

He who has seen me has also seen the father.NOT literal.Jesus meant in love,justice,power,wisdom.Even i have been likened to my son in many ways.But he ISNT me!!!

Needing the right heart condition is needed in receiving wisdom from the bible.

1st Sam 16:7  7 But Jehovah said to Samuel: “Do not pay attention to his appearance and how tall he is,+ for I have rejected him. For the way man sees is not the way God sees, because mere man sees what appears to the eyes, but Jehovah sees into the heart.”+

[hitch0403]

Is war compatible to Christianity

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20091001/Is-War-Compatible-With-Christianity/

[hitch0403]

The world is passing away and so is its desire but he who does Gods will remains forever.1st John 2:17

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/a-peaceful-new-world-will-it-come/1101991230/

[hitch0403]

The truth being "Born again"

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989216

[hitch0403]

Born Again Christians Continue Declining.....

https://www.christianpost.com/news/born-again-christians-continue-declining-only-minority-believe-they-must-share-the-gospel-survey-208559/

Part of Babylon the Great thats why as well as Christendom

How do you have a relationship with someone if you dont know or cant say their name?

Babylon the Great is responsible for the deaths “of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.” (Revelation 18:24) Throughout history, false religion has not only fomented wars and fueled acts of terrorism but has also failed to teach people the truth about Jehovah, the God of love. (1 John 4: This failure has contributed to much bloodshed. For good reason, those who want to please God must “get out of her,” separating themselves from false religion.​—Revelation 18:4; 2 Corinthians 6:​14-​17.

[hitch0403]

This scripture shows Jehovah was alone...NOT with Jesus.God directly created him and then the 2 of them created.


Psalm 90:1, 2
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)
90 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place*+ throughout all generations.

 2 Before the mountains were born

Or you brought forth* the earth and the productive land,+

From everlasting to everlasting,* you are God.+

It ONLY speaks of HIM!!

[hitch0403]

There are some that want to hear the truth......RE Trinity

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989276

[JediJohnnie]

Meditate on this...

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [ other ] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [ other ] things have been created through him and for him.
Col. 1:15, "firstborn of all creation" | CARM.org
carm.org/col-115-firstborn-all-creation

Also even tho Jesus was godlike because of Jehovah...the titles lord and god have been given even to men.

Jesus Died!!!He was mortal.Jehovah has always been and will be forever God almighty.

He who has seen me has also seen the father.NOT literal.Jesus meant in love,justice,power,wisdom.Even i have been likened to my son in many ways.But he ISNT me!!!

Needing the right heart condition is needed in receiving wisdom from the bible.

1st Sam 16:7  7 But Jehovah said to Samuel: “Do not pay attention to his appearance and how tall he is,+ for I have rejected him. For the way man sees is not the way God sees, because mere man sees what appears to the eyes, but Jehovah sees into the heart.”+

JWs have tampered with scripture many times. Interjecting an 'other' in Col is one of the more obvious.

Consider:
1 Corinthians 15: 12-20
But tell me this! Since you believe what we preach, that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying that dead people will never come back to life again? 13 For if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ must still be dead. 14 And if he is still dead, then all our preaching is useless and your trust in God is empty, worthless, hopeless; 15 and we apostles are all liars because we have said that God raised Christ from the grave, and of course that isn’t true if the dead do not come back to life again. 16 If they don’t, then Christ is still dead, 17 and you are very foolish to keep on trusting God to save you, and you are still under condemnation for your sins; 18 in that case, all Christians who have died are lost! 19 And if being a Christian is of value to us only now in this life, we are the most miserable of creatures.

20 But the fact is that Christ did actually rise from the dead and has become the first of millions who will come back to life again someday.

You seem to be missing the point that Christ is more than mortal. The whole point of His Death & Resurrection for the Salvation of Mankind proves this. His divinity is not merely a title.
John 10:17-18
   “The Father loves me because I lay down my life that I may have it back again. 18 No one can kill me without my consent—I lay down my life voluntarily. For I have the right and power to lay it down when I want to and also the right and power to take it again. For the Father has given me this right.”

 Doesn't Christ Resurrection set Him apart from mortals?

[JediJohnnie]

This scripture shows Jehovah was alone...NOT with Jesus.God directly created him and then the 2 of them created.


Psalm 90:1, 2
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)
90 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place*+ throughout all generations.

 2 Before the mountains were born

Or you brought forth* the earth and the productive land,+

From everlasting to everlasting,* you are God.+

It ONLY speaks of HIM!!

How does this prove or disprove anything?

[JediJohnnie]

Sola Scriptura hitch. Show me something from the bible. Not your cult's prepared talking points.

[JediJohnnie]

Again, as I mentioned before Jehovah Witnesses began as one of many 'end times' cults. Trying to predict the end of the world. When they failed miserably, they began moving the goalposts, hoping to eventually get it right.

Here's a list of their Cult beliefs.


They believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead. Russell says His body either dissolved into gases or is still preserved somewhere.
 

They believe that God is not triune (i.e., Father, Son, and Holy Ghost).
 

They believe that there is no such thing as a hell of everlasting torment. Hell is just the grave. The wicked are simply annihilated.
 

They believe that man has no spirit.
 

They believe the Holy Ghost is not a person of the Godhead, just a "life force" of God.
 

They exercise mind control over members.
 

They believe that man must work to be part of "God's system of things".
 

They believe that only the 144,000 mentioned in the book of Revelation will live in heaven with God.

They believe all dead people will have a second chance for eternal life at the millennium. If you do not prove worthiness at this time, you'll be destroyed.
 

The believe the blood of Christ does not forgive sins, it gives us a "chance" to live again. They have NO assurance of salvation as Jehovah's Witnesses who supposedly know the truth.
 

They believe Jesus is the archangel Michael - Jesus is a created being.
 

They believe Jesus is just an agent of God, nothing more.
 

They believe that Jesus' second coming occurred invisibly in 1874. Founder Charles Taze Russell's successor, Rutherford, says this was confirmed by the creation of the first labor organization in 1874.
 

They believed Russell when he said that in 1914 the millennium would occur and righteousness would be restored to the earth. As 1914 approached, he, and his successor, changed the date to 1915, 1916, 1924, 1928, and on and on to the present day! When you ask a Jehovah's Witness about this, they'll give you the party line, "Well, the Watchtower is reaching different levels of enlightenment."

 So again, how can anyone back up these claims, when they were clearly of the imagination of the JW founder Charles Taze Russell? How can one possibly support this as anything but Man made doctrine? He was proven wrong again and again. How can you support any of this nonsense? You really need to explain- if you can.

[hitch0403]

To avoid typing and bandwidth ill try to answer u JJ even tho i think its a moot point and others r reading.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/changed-bible-beliefs/

RE Jesus death and resrrection

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/

RE hellhttps://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-hell/it

RE man/spirit

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102001150

Resurrection of dead

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102001150

Jesus blood forgives sins
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/draw-close/love/jehovah-god-ready-to-forgive/

Arch angel Michael

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/who-is-michael-the-archangel-jesus/


Who was Jesus

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/who-is-jesus-christ

Russell/1874

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101993006

Russell/1914

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1955205
 
So now u ask me in my own words to support.Well a good way to start is Jesus said his true followers would have love among themselves.Go to The Memorial on 4/19 to experience that if u arent gonna take my word.

Math 24:14 reads the preaching of Gods kingdom would be worldwide.Its very organized for yrs and in over 240 lands.They do it FREE millions of hrs teaching & preaching.

I went to an assembly in Yankee Stadium in early 70s and as they sang the last song entitled "we Thank you Jehovah"i remember feeling the spirit of God among the thousands in attendance and thought,If Jehovah isnt God then God doesnt exist.

As i mentioned 2 u many times i was brought up a catholic and i didnt agree with their teachings and i wondered why we died and why God has allowed wickedness in this world.Its explained and Satan is a big reason why as well as the sin of man.Time was needed to go by to fulfill Jer 10:23...mans way not belonging to himself being independent of God wont work.History has more then proven that.

I could go on and on.Not sure i have to.

Thanx for listening whoever has.

[JediJohnnie]

So basically it doesn't matter how poorly Russell was at prognosticating, as long as he gave people who disagree with God delivering justice to sinners by punishment in Hell, a fairy tale that existence ends with death. Every cult- EVERY cult- begins with a leader that perverts scripture wholesale to draw away gullible followers that either don't like or can't understand what the bible says.


Hard to believe you were a Catholic, since JWs have the tallest of tall tales to explain away things in the bible that disagrees with their world view. Jesus clearly demonstrated to His apostles that He was raised bodily and yet we're not supposed to accept that, because Russell believed that Jesus body 'dissolved' like gas in the grave. Is it possible to even read that with a straight face?


Take the explanation that Jesus is the Angel Michael. Solely based on verses saying both Jesus & Michael "commanded angels". How absurd! By that reasoning I'm the manager of the Yankees because I manged little league for 3 years!

So, once again, all these answers break down under the cool light of reason.

I'll propose one more question. Since the term "trinity" isn't in the bible and thus not accepted by the JWs, why should we call believers "Jehovah Witnesses" since that term isn't in the bible? Christians are referred to in the bible, but not JWs! Does that not mean we should be referred to by Christ's Holy name? 

[hitch0403]

RE Sin

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-sin/Also a man is acquitted of his sin at death.I guess if u had a bible study u might know that scripture.Penalty of sin death.Dying acquits it.NO hell!!Dust!Jesus said to love your enemies.To burn them forever???Come come!!

Yes i was a catholic and thought God was evil for sending me to hell if i ate a ham sandwich on Friday.

The  name Michael means,"who is like God"...need i say anymore re Jesus having that name?

So what are JWs doing worldwide?They are witnessing about God and his kingdom.A Xtian means to follow Jesus.How in earth can you NOT agree with that?Your sect certainly isnt in 240 lands preaching teaching millions of hr of bible study.Nor are any other sect.

1914 was looked upon way before it came.It was a very strong sign Jesus was in kingdom power and Satan and his angels were thrown out of heaven.Total war WWl proved to be in 1914.Jesus said kingdom against kingdom when his apostles asked for a sign.Bible students hit the nail on the head with 1914.They were called that then.Pangs of stress began as Jesus foretold beginning of Gods kingdom in heaven with Satan ousted.World started to get crazier.

Jesus reurrected as spirit again after he was executed.Spirits were able to put on fleshly bodies.He used different ones.EX he used one with holes in it to convince Thomas.Abraham entertained angels that put on fleshly bodies.Before flood wicked angels put on fleshly bodies to have sex with woman creating the Nephillim.Jesus was taken up into the sky after 40 days showing he was a spirit.What the hec ru even talking about?JWs teach this.

[JediJohnnie]

Mark 9:47-49 “And if your eye is sinful, gouge it out. Better enter the Kingdom of God half blind than have two eyes and see the fires of hell,  where the worm never dies, and the fire never goes out—  where all are salted with fire.

You don't have an issue with me, but scripture. Jesus spoke of Hell more than Heaven as a warning. Why did he do this if death was oblivion?

So you went from being a catholic to a JW who apparently believe 144, 000 are going to be saved. Are all those seats booked yet? Or can people still get a reservation?

Jesus means Savior (a lot more appropriate than a rhetorical question.) My brother is named Michael, btw. I'll be sure to let him know your opinion of his exalted status due to his name! 

What difference does it make if the JWs are preaching worldwide if their view of Scripture is corrupt? Heck, the middle east is still dominated by Islam. Does that mean they're right because of their numbers?
Luke 21: 8-11
He replied, “Don’t let anyone mislead you. For many will come announcing themselves as the Messiah, and saying, ‘The time has come.’ But don’t believe them!  And when you hear of wars and insurrections beginning, don’t panic. True, wars must come, but the end won’t follow immediately—  for nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,  and there will be great earthquakes, and famines in many lands, and epidemics, and terrifying things happening in the heavens.

So again, the words of Christ Himself debunk the "secret second coming" JWs believe in.

The whole purpose of Jesus showing Himself with the marks of His Crucifixion was to prove He had been raised in the SAME body. Why on earth would He raise Himself from the dead and change bodies like a suit of clothes? It's beyond absurd at best and downright laughable at worst!

Again the term 'Jehovah Witnesses' are not in the bible. By your world view this negates the use of the term. I think you ought to call yourselves something else. Otherwise, are you not being tainted by the same "Babylonian"  influences you accuse everyone else of? Consider it. Can't use the term Christmas, Easter....none of them are in the bible. What makes Russell's term more acceptable? Is it just the fact that you must obey whatever is commanded by your cult leader?