This is terrible about Abortion!

[JediJohnnie]

There's always a danger with topics like this that more "heat" than "light" is produced. I'd like to have everyone take a breath for a moment.

Another thing that's important to point out is the condescension in believing that WE can rightly decide if a child is better off NOT being born! What insufferable arrogance! Would you tell a child in abject poverty that they would've been better off not being born? Or perhaps it would be better to actually help those in need where we can. But we play a dangerous game if we start choosing who is worthy to come into this world and who is better off dead.

[hitch0403]

JJ i am glad to see you jumped in here.

To say it would have been better off for someone to NOT be born is insane.I mean you can say the same to some that have been naturally and grew up in a horrid family....should we kill them too?

People cant humble themselves and adhere to our creator knows whats best for us.And HE views it as murder.Case closed.

Obediance is life.Those that reject Gods commands will answer to HIM!

[snicole9519]

Lol and everyone who disagrees is wrong. Ok, I see how you play. 

[UGetPaid]

Snicole, at the risk of escalating things beyond where they should go - but in the hopes that we could have an intelligent dialog I am going to ask you a question.


I understand from your thread responses that you are very passionate about this issue. I also know that I am not going to make you change your mind on the subject and I can promise you that you will not make me change mine. I can also promise you that I am not going to insult you for your opinions (I cannot make the same promises for others as I know you were attacked early on in this thread) and I hope that I won't be insulted for mine.  That said, I also hope you can accept that if I say that I disagree with you and that I believe you are wrong or flawed in your statements or opinions, that it is not an insult or being judgmental - as I somewhat expect that you or others will tell me I am wrong or flawed. As long as that is not accompanied with insults, anger, or hatred - I will not be offended in the least.


So having said all that... I am interested in your thoughts on my earlier observation/scenario which I will repeat here. I may change or add details that weren't present in what I wrote before - but it is the same basic premise.


Two women get pregnant. Both pregnancies are progressing along normally.  Both babies are healthy.  Both babies have beating hearts and obtain nourishment from their mothers through their umbilical cords.  Both mothers have bouts of morning sickness and experience other typical body changes associated with pregnancy.


Mother A decides that she is not financially or emotionally prepared to be a mom.  Baby A has no awareness of money or of mom's emotions or of society's prejudices.  Baby A simply knows the comfort and safety of mom's uterus - up until the time that the abortion doctor rips baby A apart into pieces.  Mother A is now free from the burden of baby A and can go on about her life with no recourse or consequence.


Meanwhile mother B goes about her normal daily well to do life - without any financial or emotional burdens.  Baby B has no awareness of money or of mom's emotions or of society's prejudices. Like Baby A, Baby B simply knows the comfort and safety of mom's uterus - up until the time that some crazed man attacks Mother B and strangles her in effort to steal and hock the diamond neckless Mother B wears around her neck.  Baby B also dies as a result of that attack.


Both babies are now dead. Both babies' deaths are the direct result of someone else's conscious decisions which directly resulted in those deaths.  From the babies' perspectives - everything was fine until it wasn't. Why is Baby B's death considered a murder, but Baby A's not?


 


In an earlier post, you seemed to argue that a child in womb would have no chance at remembering what happened in womb or even out of the womb up to three years old. If I understood your point (and please correct me if I misunderstand) you were trying to say that illegitimizes the pro-life argument that the mother isn't thinking of what the child would want and should be free to kill the unborn child because the child wouldn't remember it anyway?  I know that I have to be missing your point and I am not trying to belittle or be insulting.  But logically extending your argument, doesn't that also advocate killing a burdensome 1, 2, or 3 year old?  I am obviously experiencing a disconnect here and I am trying to understand what that disconnect is...

[sharatop5]

is very terrible when you destroe One beautiful life in your Hands > and you just finishing is what you are.

[jwkelly]

What about all those born that could have been aborted that become abusers,murderers,molesters,rapists ? How about unfit ppl having children that they don't take of and whose lives are destroyed(then maybe they destroy others and or themselves) ? How about overpopulation in this world ?

[mrsmere]

I don't believe in abortion and I also think it's killing a child.  It took me eight years before having a child.  When I was expecting the doctor wanted me to take a test and see if my baby was normal.  I declined the test because I knew I would keep him no matter what was wrong with him. God don't make mistakes, people do.

[brian8713]

It's not an "unborn child." It's a few cells. That's why abortion will always be legal. Those against it are basing their beliefs on emotions. Those in favor of it are looking at scientific facts.

[hitch0403]

It's not an "unborn child." It's a few cells. That's why abortion will always be legal. Those against it are basing their beliefs on emotions. Those in favor of it are looking at scientific facts.

I guess the creeps that committ "battery"are still a few cells...eh?Too bad they had to over-populate the world.

I find with the real assinine comments the best thing is find humor for them.

[sharatop5]

 

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[breazybu]

Oh, I'm pregnant, I think I'll have an abortion, this makes my 3rd!  How many people have said that or something like that?  How can you decide that a baby's life must end?  What if your mother thought the same thing?  Aren't you glad to be alive, don't you think your unborn child wants the same thing?  You might be killing someone who could find the cure to cancer, MS, any disease.  They might invent something great, they might be a doctor, they might have a chance at life, but you chose to end it.  How can you sleep at night?

Let's get real. Most abortions come from an unwanted pregnancy. Usually from a low income female. Is the baby wanted? yes? ok, keep the kid. Is the baby not wanted? yes? Then you should have done better at birth control but it's your choice to abort it or give it up for adoption. I was unplanned and my mother was a terrible person. Yes, if I had the choice, I would go back and be aborted. I live in a poor apartment complex. Every family with kids is on food stamps, WIC, etc. I do not believe that you should have children if you can't afford them. This is ridiculous. I don't expect the government to buy me a new car, but I should expect the government to provide free housing, cell phone, internet, and food to women who continuously breed?

We are not an endangered species. We're doing fine. I have always been on birth control, but sometimes things go wrong. The pill doesn't work, condoms break, etc. I had an abortion 12 years ago. I still don't regret it. I would not have been able to provide for my child, I am not someone who can handle crying. I am not maternal. I know for a fact I would give the child psychological issues. This was the right decision for me.

Even then it was hard. I didn't realize it until I was three months along, I had to apply for a credit card because I didn't have enough money, and I had to drive three states away just to get it. I had to walk past the pro-lifers screaming hateful things at me, I had to deal with the pain and the loss of hormones. It was not a fun experience but it needed to be done. I do not plan on having children and if I was offered free sterilization I would take it in a heart beat. I think a lot of people need to be sterilized and there should be stricter rules about government assistance. Drug tests, social service visits, etc. I have seen too many people using their food stamps with their kids in the cart and then paying cash for beer and cigarettes. I have a friend who has two kids. She's suing one baby daddy for child support b/c she can't pay the other baby daddy his child support. She drinks and her bf smokes pot in front of the kids. They both smoke cigarettes. She just got a new tattoo. But they're still on food stamps.

It may be a hard decision but if the decision is made, it will help take the strain off the person and the government. You have the right to bear children or not, but I've never understood why people think they have the right to make the government pay for their kids.

[lguzman1]

This is a touchy subject. I don't believe in abortion.

[mrisha]

Getting a abortion is up to the individual.  But then again it is a must if say you were raped and became pregnant unless you are a masochist and have an unwanted child.  There are so many reasons to have an abortion in a safe environment.

[breazybu]

Getting a abortion is up to the individual.  But then again it is a must if say you were raped and became pregnant unless you are a masochist and have an unwanted child.  There are so many reasons to have an abortion in a safe environment.

This is probably the most adult, non confrontational answer on here. I'd just like to applaud that.