Female Draft - Pro or con?

[DwanaMR]

Hi hitch.

"You went a little far comparing an appliance or piece of clothing to an underpaid worker."  You misread what I wrote.  I didn't compare an appliance or piece of clothing to an underpaid worker.  Paints blathered about not profiting from the blood of innocents.  To challenge his insufferable self-righteousness, I countered that he'd better make sure that everything he owned or ate didn't come from a Third World sweatshop or underpaid field hands.  In other words, war isn't the only way to "profit from the blood of innocents", and if paints is so righteous, he'd better make sure he avoids all the other ways.  Sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post.

[paints]

You may be literate, but you obviously can't read. 
Or maybe comprehension is a problem for you.

In the age of the internet, ignorance is a choice.

Everything that I have posted here is verifiable, from multiple sources.

As another bit of "interesting trivia,"  the CIA is the biggest supplier of illegal drugs coming into this country.  Heroin and opium, both made from poppies...which our military stood guard over...in Afghanistan.

Unfortunately for you, paints, I'm an excellent reader with tiptop comprehension skills, which is why I see your anti-American ranting for what it is.  I'll say this one more time, if I talked about Islam the way you talk about America you'd be condemning me left and right as a hater, and you know it.  So quit the fake indignation when I judge you by the same standards you use to so liberally damn America.

"In the age of the internet, ignorance is a choice."  So what happened to you?  (Oh, and you do know that not everything on the internet is true, right?)

"Everything that I have posted here is verifiable, from multiple sources."  Same here.

"...the CIA is the biggest supplier of illegal drugs coming into this country." This charge against the CIA is really rather old, going back to the Vietnam era.  Is it true?  I don't know.  But if you look at it logically, which an anti-American like you wouldn't, it doesn't make sense.  Why would the CIA bring illegal drugs into its OWN country, to harm its OWN people?  Wouldn't it make more sense to flood enemy nations with drugs, and harm their people?  I'm not naive.  I know that the shadowy world of intelligence and counter-intelligence operates by a different "morality" from the one that guides normal life.  Consequently, I wouldn't put much past the CIA or all intelligence agencies.  That's where you and I part ways, paints.  I recognize that ALL nations and their intelligence agencies can do nefarious business.  Your left-wing brain, on the other hand, believes the worst ONLY about America.  That's anti-American.  And you know it.

Dwana, you've tried very hard to make this about me. 
You've called me anti-American, leftist, implied a connection/sympathy with Islam, and generally implied that I am stupid.

So, do some research for yourself.

MK-ULTRA
Operation Paperclip
Operation Mockingbird
Operation Condor
Operation Northwoods
And currently, Operation Gladio.

If we're going to claim the moral high ground, maybe we should find it first.

[hitch0403]

Hi hitch.

"You went a little far comparing an appliance or piece of clothing to an underpaid worker."  You misread what I wrote.  I didn't compare an appliance or piece of clothing to an underpaid worker.  Paints blathered about not profiting from the blood of innocents.  To challenge his insufferable self-righteousness, I countered that he'd better make sure that everything he owned or ate didn't come from a Third World sweatshop or underpaid field hands.  In other words, war isn't the only way to "profit from the blood of innocents", and if paints is so righteous, he'd better make sure he avoids all the other ways.  Sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post.

Dwana...blood money could affect ones conscience more so.I am glad i didnt invent the atomic bomb.On the other hand you arent gonna change the system if some are underpaid.OH..i shouldnt go in McDonalds cos the workers arent making $15 an hr yet!!!LOL!!

BTW...i think Paints is a woman

[DwanaMR]

"BTW...i think Paints is a woman"  Thanks, hitch, but paints hasn't told me that and until I know for sure I'll keep referring to paints with the generic male pronoun, as I always do when I don't know the sex of the person I'm talking to or about.

[DwanaMR]

Paints,

"So, do some research for yourself.

MK-ULTRA
Operation Paperclip
Operation Mockingbird
Operation Condor
Operation Northwoods
And currently, Operation Gladio."

Except for Operation Northwoods, I've heard of all of these operations either by name or inference.  They're nothing new, and such operations are not peculiar to the CIA.  They're what you'd expect from any intelligence agency.  Do with that what you will.

[monnee]

There's no more draft, just all voluntary military now.

[paints]

Paints,

"So, do some research for yourself.

MK-ULTRA
Operation Paperclip
Operation Mockingbird
Operation Condor
Operation Northwoods
And currently, Operation Gladio."

Except for Operation Northwoods, I've heard of all of these operations either by name or inference.  They're nothing new, and such operations are not peculiar to the CIA.  They're what you'd expect from any intelligence agency.  Do with that what you will.

So it's ok with you to set up fake attacks on US citizens to get us into a war?
Way to support the troops there, guy.

[DwanaMR]

Paints,

"So, do some research for yourself.

MK-ULTRA
Operation Paperclip
Operation Mockingbird
Operation Condor
Operation Northwoods
And currently, Operation Gladio."

Except for Operation Northwoods, I've heard of all of these operations either by name or inference.  They're nothing new, and such operations are not peculiar to the CIA.  They're what you'd expect from any intelligence agency.  Do with that what you will.

So it's ok with you to set up fake attacks on US citizens to get us into a war?
Way to support the troops there, guy.

First, I'm not a guy.  Second, I never said it's ok to set up fake attacks on US citizens, and you KNOW I didn't, paints.  I did not comment on the morality of the CIA actions you mentioned above.  Rather, I pointed out that said actions weren't new, I'd heard of them (save one) before, and they're not peculiar to the CIA.  And I stand by that.  And your moral outrage over the CIA would be far more believable if you were equally moved by the nefarious deeds of other spy agencies.  Instead, you only rail against the agency employed by America.  Hmmmmm, wonder why.

[paints]

Paints,

"So, do some research for yourself.

MK-ULTRA
Operation Paperclip
Operation Mockingbird
Operation Condor
Operation Northwoods
And currently, Operation Gladio."

Except for Operation Northwoods, I've heard of all of these operations either by name or inference.  They're nothing new, and such operations are not peculiar to the CIA.  They're what you'd expect from any intelligence agency.  Do with that what you will.

So it's ok with you to set up fake attacks on US citizens to get us into a war?
Way to support the troops there, guy.

First, I'm not a guy.  Second, I never said it's ok to set up fake attacks on US citizens, and you KNOW I didn't, paints.  I did not comment on the morality of the CIA actions you mentioned above.  Rather, I pointed out that said actions weren't new, I'd heard of them (save one) before, and they're not peculiar to the CIA.  And I stand by that.  And your moral outrage over the CIA would be far more believable if you were equally moved by the nefarious deeds of other spy agencies.  Instead, you only rail against the agency employed by America.  Hmmmmm, wonder why.

Nor am I a guy. Irrelevant.

And I'll apologize for the comment. I'm not much given to snark.

Dwana, the actions of the CIA have led us into conflicts where we had none.  They don't fight the wars, but they instigate them.
If I rail against American actions, it's because I am an American, and I want better for my country than war and conflict.

The Bible says, "Be at peace with all men." 
That's the goal.

[DwanaMR]

"Dwana, the actions of the CIA have led us into conflicts where we had none.  They don't fight the wars, but they instigate them."  So other countries and their intelligence agencies never instigate unrest, conflict, and war in the world.  It's all America's fault.  Damn, evil America.  Got it.

"If I rail against American actions, it's because I am an American, and I want better for my country than war and conflict." The old I-condemn-my-country-because-I-love-it nonsense.  Leftie types, including actor Martin Sheen, have long peddled this bull in defense of their anti-Americanism and ridiculously one-sided moralizing.  Hint, it's not convincing.

"The Bible says, "Be at peace with all men."
That's the goal."  Peace is an admirable goal, certainly.  But myopic condemnation of one country has ZERO chance of achieving it, and I think you know that.  Undermining America, not creating peace, is the real objective of America bashing.

[hitch0403]

Dwana your bible knowledge should help you understand what happens to world powers.

Egypt,Assyria,Babylon.Medo-Persia,Greece,Rome,Anglo-American

None of them stand forever.2. What is the only solution to mankind’s problems?
2 What is the solution? God’s Kingdom, for which Jesus taught his followers to pray: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.” (Matthew 6:9, 10) God’s heavenly Kingdom is described at 2 Peter 3:13 as the “new heavens,” which is to rule over the “new earth,” that is, righteous human society. So important is God’s heavenly Kingdom that Jesus made it the focus of his preaching. (Matthew 4:17) He showed the place that it should have in our lives, urging: “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness.”—Matthew 6:33.

We had to drop A-bomb on Japan.They attacked Pearl Harbor.We had to go kill Bib Laden.He caused 9/11.Yet slogan of USA is "In god we trust"Sure it is.......Satan is the god of this system.Remember god Isnt TRUE Gods name and we all know HIS son said HIS kingdom is no part of this world and satan rules it for now.

So what is the sense going back and forth.You cant serve 2 masters.Jesus explained why.Yet some want to call themselves xtian and then be part of Babylon the Great which is false empire of religeon or bow down to mans BS!!

As i have said before,you can remain neutral,LOVE God and your neighbor,obey laws and pay your taxes.When truth gets compromised by man Peters words were,"we must obey God"

NOT that i have to remind anybody,but when i refer to TRUE GOD i am referring to JEHOVAH!!

[paints]

"Dwana, the actions of the CIA have led us into conflicts where we had none.  They don't fight the wars, but they instigate them."  So other countries and their intelligence agencies never instigate unrest, conflict, and war in the world.  It's all America's fault.  Damn, evil America.  Got it.

"If I rail against American actions, it's because I am an American, and I want better for my country than war and conflict." The old I-condemn-my-country-because-I-love-it nonsense.  Leftie types, including actor Martin Sheen, have long peddled this bull in defense of their anti-Americanism and ridiculously one-sided moralizing.  Hint, it's not convincing.

"The Bible says, "Be at peace with all men."
That's the goal."  Peace is an admirable goal, certainly.  But myopic condemnation of one country has ZERO chance of achieving it, and I think you know that.  Undermining America, not creating peace, is the real objective of America bashing.

And still, you make it about me. 

Our actions, both covert and overt, have made America less safe.

"To not know history is to have been born yesterday."  Howard Zinn

Telling the truth is not "America bashing."

For your enlightenment:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html


 

[madeara]

Hello,
What a great question.  I am against the draft.  Have a terrific day!

[DwanaMR]

"Our actions, both covert and overt, have made America less safe."  Still more "blame America first" .  That's your default position for explaining everything in the world, right paints?  No matter what happens, America did it.  You're probably a 9/11 truther, too.  Rotten, stinking, evil George W. Bush deliberately engineered 9/11 and slaughtered nearly 3000 Americans so he could invade Afghanistan and take over the poppy fields!  MUUUUUWAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!! 

Listen, paints.  I've never and will never say America is perfect.  But I also will not stand by and let my country be unjustly condemned and blamed for all the evil in the world.  As hard as it seems for you to accept, paints, there's real evil in the world.  There are, always have been, and always will be real ideologies, real belief systems that, when implemented by real people, bring real horror into the world.  America, like most nations, has deployed various measures--diplomatic, economic, military--to protect herself and her allies.  Sure, some of these measures may be morally questionable at best, but that doesn't justify ignoring the evil that necessitates them.  But I know you just don't get it.  Blaming America makes things so much simpler, and I guess that's the way you like it.

Oh, and I did click your link.  I was disappointed that it lead to such an old piece, one written between the world wars.  Still, I understand why Major Gen. Butler's pamphlet appeals to you.  He blames war on profits, i.e. capitalism, omitting any concept of evil.  War is caused by capitalism and war can be stopped by taking the profit out of it, i.e., by getting rid of capitalism.  Avoid the messy business of confronting evil; just smash the "international bankers" and we'll have peace for all time.  Good luck.

[danmo783]

I just came here to read the comments, but you all got me pumped... I'm against a female draft. I don't think it matters anyway. In the future we won't even be fighting on the ground unless it's Terminator style. Hah.