Female Draft - Pro or con?

[DwanaMR]

Dwana...i think its justified when Gods gives the order.Remember HE said,vengeance is mine.His anger is based on righteous and justice.

Jesus didnt justify Peter pulling his sword out.Im sure you know what he told him.

I understand where you are coming from.Its tuff to sit back and get <bleeped>on!!We wanna kill someone just in road rage!!!LOL!

Human imperfection will always play a role too.Again the example i gave in defending me or family in an unjust time.Or maybe its wise if we are being robbed to just hand over the money rather than die!!I am doing my best to look at this all sides and just speaking of it now.....who knows how we react in the heat of battle??

Also Dwana....in the case of King David God punished him for that terrible sin.But he also saw in his heart he was sorry for it.Jehovah sees the heart condition of us all what we are really made of.In the case of Judas Jesus said it would of been better for him if he wasnt born.A clear sign what he was inside and no hope ever of a resurrection.

Hitch, I know how God handled David's sin; that wasn't my point.  My point was that the prophet Nathan called David out for his sin.  He didn't passively ignore it on the grounds that God would eventually deal with it.  Scripture tells us the Hebrew midwives actively defied Pharaoh because they "feared God", and God rewarded them for it.  Yes, God has the ultimate solution to evil but until that solution is implemented we have an obligation to "obey God rather than man", even if it means defying evil, just like David, Shifrah, and Puah.

[hitch0403]

I agree with that Dwana about obeying Gods laws when they conflict with mans.Of course we are sinful creatures and err and we need Jesus sacrifice.Again God sees the heart and the motive behind a willful sin or 1 from imperfection and if we truly repent.

We all have lip service.Faith without works is dead.We stumble.I can do more than i should with heeding the bible.But i also dont wanna apologize for having knowledge of it either and being grateful to have discerned it.

There are ways of dealing with this world better when we understand Gods word.While others get wrapped up in this coming presidential election i look at it like wrestling.Entertainment!!Its sad when many think that someone is gonna fix the problems in this world.Its just a matter of time before another mass shooting takes place.And then same ol same ol.We need better gun laws etc.<sigh>

When God told ADAM CURSED is the ground on your account...he wasnt kidding....

Thanx

[InfuseMe1]

don't think anyone should be drafted - think -  should be a choice   

[paints]

"Don't be ignorant."  Really, paints, is that the best you can do?  It's not ignorance to call out someone who's been dabbling in a bit of sophistry.  And don't think you can absolved yourself of anti-Americanism by quoting a Marine general.  I haven't sourced the quote, but if Gen. Sharp's rant was a one off it's useless in providing cover for you.  If it was part of a pattern of nonstop condemnation of America as you're wont to do, then all it proves is that there are traitors in uniform.  If I spoke about Islam the way you speak about America I suspect you'd call me an Islamophobe, and you wouldn't be moved by claims I was just seeing the flaws and telling the truth.  Well, paints, I'm applying that standard to you.  Incessant denunciation is a sign of animosity.  You can indulge in it if you want, but don't act surprised when you're "misunderstood".

So you're one of those, "My country, right or wrong, love it or leave it" people.
That's all right, there are a lot of you out there.  If there weren't, America would run out of cannon fodder. 

Sophistry is when you can excuse killing people all over the world, setting up dictators, running drugs and guns through a country, funding and arming terrorists, destabilizing a countrys' economy,  torturing innocents, and still pretend to hold the moral high ground.

Please.

[DwanaMR]

Like most leftists, paints, you major in deliberately not understanding anything that contradicts your opinion.  My country right or wrong?  Please.  I never said that and you know it.  I believe in freedom of speech and the right to criticize the government.  What I criticized in my post was INCESSANT denunciation of America, like you trade in.   In case you don't know, "incessant" means, "continuing without pause or interruption", nonstop, never-ending, unceasing.  Such behavior is a sure sign of animosity.  To use the Islam example again, if I talked about Islam the way you talk about America you'd call me all kinds of HATER, and you know it.  If every word you say about something is condemnatory, it is supremely logical to conclude that you hate that something.  My charge that you're anti-American is a logical conclusion based on your vitriolic rhetoric.  My country right or wrong?  No, I don't believe that, but I will confess that I don't understand why people like you insist on living in a country you so deeply despise.

[paints]

Like most leftists, paints, you major in deliberately not understanding anything that contradicts your opinion.  My country right or wrong?  Please.  I never said that and you know it.  I believe in freedom of speech and the right to criticize the government.  What I criticized in my post was INCESSANT denunciation of America, like you trade in.   In case you don't know, "incessant" means, "continuing without pause or interruption", nonstop, never-ending, unceasing.  Such behavior is a sure sign of animosity.  To use the Islam example again, if I talked about Islam the way you talk about America you'd call me all kinds of HATER, and you know it.  If every word you say about something is condemnatory, it is supremely logical to conclude that you hate that something.  My charge that you're anti-American is a logical conclusion based on your vitriolic rhetoric.  My country right or wrong?  No, I don't believe that, but I will confess that I don't understand why people like you insist on living in a country you so deeply despise.

You make assumptions based on your own bias. 
I don't hate this country.
I hate what's been done to her by war-mongering fools. For profit. For oil. For land. For the poppy fields in Afghanistan.
And I hate the hypocrisy.
And the sheer utter waste of it all.

[DwanaMR]

To paints,

"You make assumptions based on your own bias."  No, I drew conclusions based on your rhetoric.

"I don't hate this country."  Yes, you do.

"I hate what's been done to her by war-mongering fools."  Then why don't you condemn just the war-mongering fools instead of the whole country?

"For profit."  You're against profit?  So I guess you work for nothing.  Got it.

"For oil."  Really?  You're still peddling that canard?  In 2001 we imported 795,000 barrels of oil from Iraq.  That's right; less than a million.  And the number has only decreased since then.  Saudi Arabia was and is our biggest Mid East oil supplier.  The Middle East, however, was/is NOT our biggest source of foreign oil; that would be the Western Hemisphere, with Canada being our largest supplier.  But the biggest source of oil for the US is...THE US!  We now produce 60% of the oil we use.  There was no need to go to war for oil in 2003 and there's no need to do so now.  But I know you're not going to drop a narrative that justifies hating America.

"For land."  We went to war for land?  Hmmmm, never heard that one.  Guess you need something when the "war for oil" line gets unsustainable.

"For the poppy fields for Afghanistan."  This is another new one for me.  But considering that drugs can be grown/produced anywhere by anyone with the will to do it, I don't see what possible sense it could make to go to war for poppy fields in Afghanistan.

"And I hate the hypocrisy."  Most people hate hypocrisy, but leftists hate it only when it doesn't serve their agenda.

"And the sheer, utter waste of it all."  The only wars you regard as sheer, utter wastes are those fought by America.

Back to you.

[paints]

DwanaMR:

"I don't hate this country."  Yes, you do.

Repeating the same untruth doesn't make it so.

"I hate what's been done to her by war-mongering fools."  Then why don't you condemn just the war-mongering fools instead of the whole country?

What makes you think I don't?

"For profit."  You're against profit?  So I guess you work for nothing.  Got it.

You speak nonsense.  I don't take my profit from the blood of innocents.

"For oil."  Really?  You're still peddling that canard?  In 2001 we imported 795,000 barrels of oil from Iraq.  That's right; less than a million.  And the number has only decreased since then.  Saudi Arabia was and is our biggest Mid East oil supplier.  The Middle East, however, was/is NOT our biggest source of foreign oil; that would be the Western Hemisphere, with Canada being our largest supplier.  But the biggest source of oil for the US is...THE US!  We now produce 60% of the oil we use.  There was no need to go to war for oil in 2003 and there's no need to do so now.  But I know you're not going to drop a narrative that justifies hating America.

"For land."  We went to war for land?  Hmmmm, never heard that one.  Guess you need something when the "war for oil" line gets unsustainable.

"For the poppy fields for Afghanistan."  This is another new one for me.  But considering that drugs can be grown/produced anywhere by anyone with the will to do it, I don't see what possible sense it could make to go to war for poppy fields in Afghanistan.

Easily verifiable, with a simple google search. If you care enough to look.

"And I hate the hypocrisy."  Most people hate hypocrisy, but leftists hate it only when it doesn't serve their agenda.

And rightwingers only hate it when it serves their purpose. Mostly, they just revel in it, like pigs in a mud puddle.

"And the sheer, utter waste of it all."  The only wars you regard as sheer, utter wastes are those fought by America.

Not so. All wars are a waste of humanity.

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.”
― Dwight D. Eisenhower

[hitch0403]

Paints,i dont care for politicians for obvious reasons.But if Eisenhower meant what he said....BRAVO!

Of course there is no way i can judge that.But i trust God will and be fair!

[paints]

Hitch,  I think he meant it.  I also think he didn't let it bother him too much.  When you start looking into his actions, they don't match the words. 

[DwanaMR]

paints, paints, paints!  I doubt I'll ever get through to you but I'll keep trying!

How do I know you condemn America the country and not just the "war-mongering fools"?  Because I'm literate and can read your rhetoric.

"Repeating the same untruth doesn't make it so."  Right.  And saying you hate America isn't an untruth, no matter how much you deny it.

"You speak nonsense.  I don't take my profit from the blood of innocents."  Oh, please!  Can you get any more sanctimonious?  You don't "profit from the blood of the innocents"?  So I can assume you make sure every inch of clothing you buy, every appliance you own, and every ounce of food you purchase wasn't made in a Third World sweatshop or picked by underpaid field hands.  If not, get off your high horse.  Your morality is distinctly unimpressive.

"And rightwingers only hate [hypocrisy] when it serves their purpose."  Really?  Why would right-wingers, or anyone else, hate hypocrisy--or anything else--when it's working FOR them?  And you accuse me of speaking nonsense!

"Easily verifiable, with a simple google search.  If you care enough to look."  Unfortunately for you, paints, I did look, at least about the oil and the poppy fields; that's where I got the info I wrote in my reply to you, info you didn't refute.  Oh, and on the poppy fields, one of the articles that came up was a piece in the white nationalist American Free Press newspaper.  Just a bit of interesting trivia. 

[paints]

You may be literate, but you obviously can't read. 
Or maybe comprehension is a problem for you.

In the age of the internet, ignorance is a choice.

Everything that I have posted here is verifiable, from multiple sources.

As another bit of "interesting trivia,"  the CIA is the biggest supplier of illegal drugs coming into this country.  Heroin and opium, both made from poppies...which our military stood guard over...in Afghanistan.

[hitch0403]

Dwana,if i may.Are you familiar with Al Pacino in Scarface?If you are the part where he goes back to his mamas house when he is rich.His mama wants no part of the money because of the way he earned it.

Im pretty sure Paints meant profiting that way.You went a little far comparing an appliance or piece of clothing to an underpaid worker.I worked for a collection agency in 1995 and did the job very well cos of my gift of gab over a phone.Then it got to me.I realized a lot of the time i was calling up people just like me or poorer trying to make ends meet and they had a ridiculous medical bill cos we all know the health insurance is a joke in this country.If i was trying to help one get a disability claim payed cos the insurance Co.was *bleep*-footing around that was different.Much of the job wasnt that way.My conscience bothered me and i left to do something else.It could go the same way maybe for many who worked in tobacco industry.They were promoting something killing others to earn a living.

I went a long way here thinking of the way Paints meant that.I am not taking sides just trying to be fair what i thought.

So you are bible trained then you know Peters words "we must obey God as ruler than man"One can remain neutral in conflict,love God and neighbor,pay their taxes and be law abiding.Some here have told me to move cos of my opinions of US government.But thats worldwide.Remember Jesus said,whole world lies in power of wicked one.

I know you can come back at me and say if we didnt have a military ISIS would be running rampant in our country.Or we would all be Nazis.Something along that line.

I think the best way to some this up would be to repeat Ghandis words about Jesus Sermon on Mount speeech.There would be NOOOOOOO problems.Imagine Ghandi backing that up and he was supposed to be atheist!!

[danmo783]

I really have no official opinion on this issue due to my belief our military is strong enough, and more importantly, technologically advanced that a draft would not be necessary, unless we fell into a nuclear war...

[DwanaMR]

You may be literate, but you obviously can't read. 
Or maybe comprehension is a problem for you.

In the age of the internet, ignorance is a choice.

Everything that I have posted here is verifiable, from multiple sources.

As another bit of "interesting trivia,"  the CIA is the biggest supplier of illegal drugs coming into this country.  Heroin and opium, both made from poppies...which our military stood guard over...in Afghanistan.

Unfortunately for you, paints, I'm an excellent reader with tiptop comprehension skills, which is why I see your anti-American ranting for what it is.  I'll say this one more time, if I talked about Islam the way you talk about America you'd be condemning me left and right as a hater, and you know it.  So quit the fake indignation when I judge you by the same standards you use to so liberally damn America.

"In the age of the internet, ignorance is a choice."  So what happened to you?  (Oh, and you do know that not everything on the internet is true, right?)

"Everything that I have posted here is verifiable, from multiple sources."  Same here.

"...the CIA is the biggest supplier of illegal drugs coming into this country." This charge against the CIA is really rather old, going back to the Vietnam era.  Is it true?  I don't know.  But if you look at it logically, which an anti-American like you wouldn't, it doesn't make sense.  Why would the CIA bring illegal drugs into its OWN country, to harm its OWN people?  Wouldn't it make more sense to flood enemy nations with drugs, and harm their people?  I'm not naive.  I know that the shadowy world of intelligence and counter-intelligence operates by a different "morality" from the one that guides normal life.  Consequently, I wouldn't put much past the CIA or all intelligence agencies.  That's where you and I part ways, paints.  I recognize that ALL nations and their intelligence agencies can do nefarious business.  Your left-wing brain, on the other hand, believes the worst ONLY about America.  That's anti-American.  And you know it.