Beliefs

[hitch0403]

JJ...the bible says Jehovah....or if you have a problem with his name,God is the alpha and omega.Never had a beginning...or will HE have an end......

Jesus was mortal....HE died as a man...remember?

For someone who just said the bible is accurate i suggest you see that Jesus NEVER referred to himself as God almighty!!MANY times!!He always gave that credit to his father and BTW...he did say "I have made your name known"that many of you cant seem to do.How does one say they love God when they dont even say his name?

Hallowed be thy name.......Remember?

Psalms 83:18...I suggest again you read it who is MOST high!!

[hitch0403]

Feel free to knock yourself out JJ convincing yourself.....

What the Bible says:

“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.*
“I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”—John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”—1 Peter 1:3.
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”—Revelation 3:14.*

[paints]

BTW....if those that thought earth was flat read bible they would knew truth...

The Bible’s Harmony With Scientific Facts. The Bible, at Job 26:7, speaks of God as “hanging the earth upon nothing.” Science says that the earth remains in its orbit in space primarily because of the interaction of gravity and centrifugal force. These forces, of course, are invisible. Therefore the earth, like other heavenly bodies, is suspended in space as if hanging on nothing. Speaking from Jehovah’s viewpoint, the prophet Isaiah wrote under inspiration: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers.” (Isa 40:22) The Bible says: “He [God] has described a circle upon the face of the waters.” (Job 26:10)

The things I listed as being believed before someone questioned what they believed was taught by the churches.
So yes, they should have known better.

[paints]

Just because the Bible has been translated in many different ways (so everyone will get to read it and understand it) doesn't mean it's untrue. If you are a Christian you don't doubt the Bible and when you read it you are lead by the Holy Spirit for understanding. And if you still don't understand it, Pray for wisdom, understanding and knowledge before you begin. 

People who doubt the Bible are still living under the Kingdom of Satan

So, because I don't swallow the idea that the bible is the infallible word of God, I am under Satanic rule?

The bible is a book.

If there was no bible, would you still believe?

[tgreen20]

Yes, that is true Paints.....it's either you believe or you don't believe.

A Believer - Kingdom of God (Heaven)

A Non Believer - Kingdom of Satan ( Hell )

If we had NO Bible then we wouldn't be here, God would never have created us yet

[paints]

Tgreen, that makes an idol of a book.

Adam and Eve had no bible. Were they not created?
The whole of creation came into being at God's command. He spoke it into being.
He had no bible.

God is the source of all life.

Why pin all your belief on a book, when you can go straight to the Source?

[tgreen20]

I'm not going to debate the issue, either you believe in God or you don't.

[hitch0403]

Paints.....Jesus warned of the hypocrisy that would occur after his death.To save band width i am not gonna put up all the examples but after the last apostle John passed there are many untruths that began.

[hitch0403]

So Paints i am curious...you just believe the bible is a book man wrote?

Man did write it but it is inspired by God.Like a secretary takes dictation from her boss.Is there some part of it that makes you think it ISNT divine?

[JediJohnnie]

JJ...the bible says Jehovah....or if you have a problem with his name,God is the alpha and omega.Never had a beginning...or will HE have an end......

Jesus was mortal....HE died as a man...remember?

For someone who just said the bible is accurate i suggest you see that Jesus NEVER referred to himself as God almighty!!MANY times!!He always gave that credit to his father and BTW...he did say "I have made your name known"that many of you cant seem to do.How does one say they love God when they dont even say his name?

Hallowed be thy name.......Remember?

Psalms 83:18...I suggest again you read it who is MOST high!!

Jesus was not merely mortal, He was God made flesh in the Incarnation. The question then becomes, if you believe Jesus to be only mortal, then His death was meaningless. It was only as the sinless Son of God that His sacrifice was acceptable to cleanse us of sin.

John 10:30 Jesus said "I and the Father are one.” meaning they are co-equal. Jesus did say the Father is Greater than Himself, because He is under the authority of the Father. But He is still equal in essence to the Father. Which is why you have the Apostles worshiping Jesus. Thomas for example in John 20:28 "Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” If Jesus were not equal in essence to the Father, he would not allow others to give him Worship.

[JediJohnnie]

Tgreen, that makes an idol of a book.

Adam and Eve had no bible. Were they not created?
The whole of creation came into being at God's command. He spoke it into being.
He had no bible.

God is the source of all life.

Why pin all your belief on a book, when you can go straight to the Source?

 

I maybe misunderstanding your whole point here, but the "Source" gave us His Book for our edification. How is that a bad thing?

[hitch0403]

Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God. “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained. “For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.

This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—Matthew 24:36.

[hitch0403]

Might as well give you your moneys worth....

Is Jesus Christ actually God?

John 17:3, RS: “[Jesus prayed to his Father:] This is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God [“who alone art truly God,” NE], and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (Notice that Jesus referred not to himself but to his Father in heaven as “the only true God.”)

John 20:17, RS: “Jesus said to her [Mary Magdalene], ‘Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (So to the resurrected Jesus, the Father was God, just as the Father was God to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly, not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as “my God.”)

[paints]

Tgreen, that makes an idol of a book.

Adam and Eve had no bible. Were they not created?
The whole of creation came into being at God's command. He spoke it into being.
He had no bible.

God is the source of all life.

Why pin all your belief on a book, when you can go straight to the Source?

 

I maybe misunderstanding your whole point here, but the "Source" gave us His Book for our edification. How is that a bad thing?

My point was/is the book we have has been tampered with.  It has truth in it, but it is not the whole truth.

Case in point, Hitch quoted Paul saying "all scripture is suitable for doctrine, for reproof..."

The only scripture Paul had was the Jewish Torah. Who elevated Pauls' writings to "Scripture?" And why?

Paul contradicts Jesus' teachings, in several places.  Why? And why are these contradictions accepted?

Are we not supposed to be followers of Christ?

That was my point.

[bremer51]

I always have questions and doubts. But I manage to maintain the beliefs most important to me.