Do you believe?

[kimber62372]

Seriously dude?... Get a grip! Everyone has their own beliefs so stop trying so hard! Everyone is suppose to get along, not bicker and dispute what you agree or disagree with. But thanks for making this forum an interesting discussion... Lol

[hitch0403]

Seriously dude?... Get a grip! Everyone has their own beliefs so stop trying so hard! Everyone is suppose to get along, not bicker and dispute what you agree or disagree with. But thanks for making this forum an interesting discussion... Lol

Duddess........i just react.Keep your tongue under control and i wont respond.Thanx for the compliment making the topic interesting.

Whew....never saw someone change so fast as you!!

[JediJohnnie]

Yes Penwoir....i support the WB&TS and Jehovah as TRUE GOD and HIS kingdom that govern heaven and earth thru his begotten son Jesus Christ.

In response to you JJ....and i am not sure why i even bother......

Jesus did not teach that God would maliciously torture the wicked forever. Rather, Jesus said: “God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.” (John 3:16, NAB) Why would Jesus imply that those who did not believe in him would die? If he really meant that they would live forever, suffering misery in a fiery hell, would he not have said so?
The doctrine that hell is a place of torment is not based on the Bible. Rather, it is a pagan belief masquerading as a Christian teaching.

"But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”Matt:8-12
If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matt 18:8-9
 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.  “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matt 25:41/46
 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt 13:41-42
This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt 13:49-50

That's what I found spending 5 minutes thumbing through the Gospel of Matthew ALONE. Need I devote more time to finding other passages where Christ spoke of Hell and punishment? Or would you prefer to actually READ the bible and not let the Watchtower spoon feed you everything you want to hear?

[JediJohnnie]

Hey JJ lemme ask you 1 more thing.

Satan is Gods biggest enemy,correct?Where was he when Jesus was on earth as a man?Certainly NOT in hellfire.He couldnt offer all the kingdoms of the world from there right?

I know you are probably gonna answer its not his time to go to hell yet or something like that.

Keep re-writing your bible.And please stop bashing the WB&TS.They are in 236 lands preaching Gods kingdom FREE and i am sure there will be over 20 million attending the Memorial 4/3 too.

How many are attending your nonsense?

And i wanna give a shout-out to all that defend death and its a passing over blah blah.

Go to a funeral of a parent that just lost a child to death and preach that nonsense to them to make give them hope.Make sure you have a suit of armor on before so.

It's a common misconception that Satan is "Chief torturer" in Hell. He's active here in the world now, and will be punished at the End by being cast into Hell for his evil deeds. So yes, you pretty much got the answer you were expecting of me.

And for the record, There are degrees of punishment in Hell. Someone who does fairly "minor" sins will be punished lighter than say someone like Adolph Hitler, who brought death & misery to millions.

[JediJohnnie]

Hey Kimber...nexttime you put a topic up be prepared to hear that truth.

"Truth" only means something to you as long as it is YOUR truth.  You are so willing to close your mind and to let others make your decisions and choices for you that you won't stop and truly take into account what someone else has to say.  You automatically assume they are wrong and you are right.  I've read a lot of posts on this board, in this thread and in others, where people have given you solid and valid information and made credible arguments against what you are saying and you still insist you are the only one who knows "the truth".

Your figures about how many Jehovah's Witnesses there are means nothing and doesn't add any credibility to you.  There are 1 billion Hindus.  Eight percent of the total world population are Buddhists.  Twenty-three percent (about 1.6 billion) of the total world population are of the Islamic faith.  Fourteen million adhere to Judaism.  There are over 2.2 billion practicing Christians (including the Catholics you apparently hate so much).  Of the total world population, 9.6% are non-religious and 2% are atheists.  As of August 2013, there are only 7.9 million (with an "M", not a "B") Jehovah's Witnesses in a little under 114,000 congregations.  Your army seems pretty small compared to other systems of belief so if numbers is the only validation of "truth" you have to flog, you're in trouble.

Sigh.  "It's obvious you can't deal with it so what can I say."

He can't seem to see that the Watchtower is a cult.It's sad because I believe Hitch truly wants to serve God, but he's not serving the God of the bible if he's listening to the Watchtower's teachings as he does.

[jenniferhoder]

Yes I so do believe in God and in heaven and in all those great things!!!

[kimber62372]

Hey Kimber...nexttime you put a topic up be prepared to hear that truth.

"Truth" only means something to you as long as it is YOUR truth.  You are so willing to close your mind and to let others make your decisions and choices for you that you won't stop and truly take into account what someone else has to say.  You automatically assume they are wrong and you are right.  I've read a lot of posts on this board, in this thread and in others, where people have given you solid and valid information and made credible arguments against what you are saying and you still insist you are the only one who knows "the truth".

Your figures about how many Jehovah's Witnesses there are means nothing and doesn't add any credibility to you.  There are 1 billion Hindus.  Eight percent of the total world population are Buddhists.  Twenty-three percent (about 1.6 billion) of the total world population are of the Islamic faith.  Fourteen million adhere to Judaism.  There are over 2.2 billion practicing Christians (including the Catholics you apparently hate so much).  Of the total world population, 9.6% are non-religious and 2% are atheists.  As of August 2013, there are only 7.9 million (with an "M", not a "B") Jehovah's Witnesses in a little under 114,000 congregations.  Your army seems pretty small compared to other systems of belief so if numbers is the only validation of "truth" you have to flog, you're in trouble.

Sigh.  "It's obvious you can't deal with it so what can I say."

He can't seem to see that the Watchtower is a cult.It's sad because I believe Hitch truly wants to serve God, but he's not serving the God of the bible if he's listening to the Watchtower's teachings as he does.

I just read the part where I am a "Catholic Hater" ... lol. Is he insane?? I AM a CATHOLIC! Geesh! Do you see the hypocrisy? I would never call his belief a cult but I can think of many other things that I will not say because he will get offended, so I keep it to myself. And I thank you JJ for participating in this interesting topic! We are all here for a reason and all have different beliefs and outlooks. But We should all respect one another and be kind to each other. He was the only one lashing out at people which is not cool in my book.

[JaniceSW]

STOP everyone!!!  This is why we are in America and defend our freedoms, including the freedom to worship and believe as we want.  I don't believe bitterness and righteousness is a part of what God and Jesus wanted.  No wonder there is such divisiveness in countries such as some of those in the Middle East.  This forum is NOT the place, and it all started from a simple question.  This discussion has proven that religion and politics should not be discussed if you don't want intolerance and anger, which brings out some of the worst in us on occasion.

[hitch0403]

Simply put,Kim asked a question,i answered her based on using the bible.I get badgered for being taught bible thru WB&TS.I dont mind having friendly discussions about bible or religeon,but i see the mock WB&TS gets.

Fine,if you dont agree you dont agree.I answer a lot of lifes questions using the knowledge i gained from bible thru them.

There are people in this forum that have supported what i have been taught and there are always new ones coming in.

Let me tell you something WB&TS have taught their supporters when they go door to door now and come upon those NOT interested to LEAVE.....thank you.

Its quite simple.Again stop badgering me for my knowledge what i have been taught.If you wanna kindly disagree thats fine.

In Kims case,how do you say you support bible and then i show her a scripture thats in HER bible too and she disagrees with it.......LOL!!!

Sorry JJ.......God isnt that cruel for a literal hell to exist.Death is non-existence.That is symbolic what Jesus speaks of.

[JediJohnnie]

Scholars have debated whether or not Jesus meant Hell was a place of literal flames and so forth.But that really isn't important. The point is the Bible teaches the eternal spirit of the just & the unjust. The just rise to reward,the unjust to punishment.Hell exists as a place of eternal separation from God and you're swimming against a sea of scriptural evidence if disagree.   

[hitch0403]

Well you dont seem to think non-existence isnt punishment enuff.What can i say?If you dont think the wicked NOT being able to live forever in paradise under righteous conditions and government thru God and Jesus thats your choice.

Prov 2:21-22  …For the upright will live in the land And the blameless will remain in it; 22But the wicked will be cut off from the land And the treacherous will be uprooted from it.

Scholars???LOL!!Jehovah chose Moses.Go read what Moses told God how he felt when chosen.Its the heart condition JJ...NOT brains!!

[BlackSheepNY]

WELL Blacksheep,if its based on the bible,go read KJV Psalms 83:18 for starters......God has a name!!

People claim to follow Jesus.What are they basing it on?The bible or something else?Where else do we find info on him?

WELL Blacksheep,if its based on the bible,go read KJV Psalms 83:18 for starters......God has a name!!

People claim to follow Jesus.What are they basing it on?The bible or something else?Where else do we find info on him?

Many have beliefs that go against bible teaching in this thread.Then they get annoyed when you show them.You cant serve 2 masters!!You cant support bible and then this world.Jesus made it clear his kingdom is no part of it and satan rules it.

Lots of demonic nonsense is what is believed here................sorry!!

hitch0403, I don't expect an apology from you or anyone else.  You believe WHAT you believe and HOW you believe it.  There's nothing wrong with that.  The only problem I've got is when others who believe a certain way try to push that belief on others.  Isn't it enough if people believe in God and his existence?  I don't understand religions who say, "it's our way or you're going to Hell."  That's just so stupid.  Moreover, why do some religions have to knock down your door to push those beliefs in someone's face?  You've got a "church."  If someone is interested in wanting to know more about it, they will come of their own free will.

Many have beliefs that go against bible teaching in this thread.Then they get annoyed when you show them.You cant serve 2 masters!!You cant support bible and then this world.Jesus made it clear his kingdom is no part of it and satan rules it.

Lots of demonic nonsense is what is believed here................sorry!!

hitch0403, I don't expect an apology from you or anyone else.  You believe WHAT you believe and HOW you believe it.  There's nothing wrong with that.  The only problem I've got is when others who believe a certain way try to push that belief on others.  Isn't it enough if people believe in God and his existence?  I don't understand religions who say, "it's our way or you're going to Hell."  That's just so stupid.  Moreover, why do some religions have to knock down your door to push those beliefs in someone's face?  You've got a "church."  If someone is interested in wanting to know more about it, they will come of their own free will.

Blacksheep just lemme ask u this.Shouldnt God decide how he wants to be served,loved etc?You say as long as everyone believes its ok.Well if u support the bible...IT isnt because there is much false doctrine out there that God DOESNT approve of and remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees.......HE didnt agree with the way they worshipped God and also remember Jesus got treated like a criminal and put to death cos he exposed all their BS!!!

If he exposed their BS (as you say), then how do you know what YOU follow isn't exactly that?  There's so many different versions of bibles, how do you know you've got the RIGHT one?  I know how - because it's the one YOU BELIEVE, which brings us right back to the question I just asked.  It's getting kinda like Abbott & Costello's "Who's On First?"  However, as I stated in a prior message, why rag on people for which religion they choose to believe in?  Yours is no more perfect than the next guys, and after all is said and done, we're only human and FAR from perfect.

[BlackSheepNY]

Hey Blacksheep....didnt Jesus command his followers to preach Gods kingdom?They also went house to house.

Read Math 24:14.....Gods people obeying that scripture.Good news being preached worldwide about kingdom of God.

Yes, he sure did.  IN "HIS" HOUSE.  I believe this is what we call a "Church?"

[BlackSheepNY]

...and the plot thickens, lol. I suppose you are the 144,001 person who will make it into heaven and the rest of us will melt away in rapture! lol, oy vey!

Kim if you knew anything about the bible God put man on earth to live on it forever in paradise.The 1440000 are the little flock that rule with Jesus.You seem to forget the bible says the earth stands till time indefinite and the righteous will reside on it.

But i dont expect you to understand too much being a catholic.

There you again, hitch0403.  Because she's a "Catholic," your religion is clearly superior (and obviously in YOUR eyes ONLY because that's what you believe in!)!  Tsk, tsk, tsk.  What about the Jews?  God's "chosen" people.  Are they inferior, too?

About all this conversation is getting anybody is closer to the 30 posts for the month, although none of it is very "helpful," LOL.

[hitch0403]

Blacksheep,it all depends on if you support bible or not.

The catholic religeon for starters has a lot of dead concrete,wooden statues that are bowed down to.Clearly idols.God forbids it.

Mary is held in a position to be prayed to.The bible says Jesus is only mediator to God and no other name for salvation.

Seriously,Need i go on?

Satan is an angel of light says bible.You gettin this?

Read Math 24:14.Who is preaching worldwide the kingdom of God?And you got it all wrong,In Jesus day they went door to door.Jesus told them what to pack and what to do if no one was interested.

Dont say its good as long as we beleive something.Jesus said with spirit and truth and having love among yourselfs PROVES you are my true followers.