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lynnc35

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #150 on: December 14, 2009, 01:44:59 am »
Okay, maybe I can help. I hold internet Bible Studies.
A vessel of such dimensions would have a displacementof about 20,000 tons and gross tonage of about 14,000 tons. Its carrying capacity equaled that of 522 standard railroad stock cars (each of which can hold 240 sheep). Only 188 cars would be required to hold 45,000 sheep-sized animals, leaving three trains of 104 cars each for food, Noah's family, and "range" for the animals. Today it is estimated that there are 17,600 species of animals, making 45,000 a likely approximation of the number Noah might have taken into the ark.

One has to wonder whether God's instructions made any sense to Noah. God told him to build a gigantic boat far from the nearest body of navigable water. But here we see that Noah was obedient even though God's instructions were hard to understand. This is one of the steps  to doing God's Will, We may not understand how everything works, but we must do what God tells us is necessary. When we step out in faith, as Noah did, God will give us the success we seek.


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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #151 on: December 14, 2009, 01:54:40 am »
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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #152 on: December 14, 2009, 02:24:15 am »
Would you like to explain your version? I know what has happened to me, I know what God has done in my life. I used to be the skeptic, I used to go about this world doing as I pleased, yes, I didn't believe for years, until God called me. No I did not fail, because God would not let me. If I did, I would be dead and gone, like the rest of my friends that drank themselves to death, even when I tried to tell them about God, after I listened, or maybe I would still be laying on the side of the road, where I got hit by the car, had not He picked me up. Because there isn't one of them doctor's that can explain this one.

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #153 on: December 14, 2009, 11:34:45 am »
Would you like to explain your version?

Version of what?  There have been numerous legendary, mythical tales of lone men/families surviving global floods and repopulating/saving the Earth.  Why should I treat this one differently than I treat the others?

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #154 on: December 14, 2009, 06:10:42 pm »
Would you like to explain your version? I know what has happened to me, I know what God has done in my life. I used to be the skeptic, I used to go about this world doing as I pleased, yes, I didn't believe for years, until God called me. No I did not fail, because God would not let me. If I did, I would be dead and gone, like the rest of my friends that drank themselves to death, even when I tried to tell them about God, after I listened, or maybe I would still be laying on the side of the road, where I got hit by the car, had not He picked me up. Because there isn't one of them doctor's that can explain this one.

hahaha... ok, now I want to hear this. So you were hit by a car and "God" picked you up... and something happened that doctors can't explain. Please do tell the story of this divine intervention. xD

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #155 on: December 14, 2009, 11:51:44 pm »
For argument's sake I will just say I had lots of close encounters that could of been very horrible if I wasn't so lucky. Yep, I have been very lucky. Feels like someone is looking over me and protecting me.

Or you were, as you say, lucky.  Perhaps the odds were merely in your favor.  Are the people who get hit by a car and die not worthy of being "looked over" or "protected?"

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #156 on: December 15, 2009, 12:33:37 pm »
For argument's sake I will just say I had lots of close encounters that could of been very horrible if I wasn't so lucky. Yep, I have been very lucky. Feels like someone is looking over me and protecting me.

Or you were, as you say, lucky.  Perhaps the odds were merely in your favor.  Are the people who get hit by a car and die not worthy of being "looked over" or "protected?"

I believe when it is our time to go, we go. We cannot live forever and do die.

Perhaps so.  But is it necessary for anyone to die of anything except old age complications?  Why do some people die in extreme accidents, and you got "protected" from things similar?  Are those people who die in extreme accidents not worthy of being "protected?"  Isn't it more likely they simply got the bad end of the odds and were unlucky?

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #157 on: December 15, 2009, 12:58:34 pm »
Read Genesis chapters six through ten of the Bible and it will explain Noah's Ark. When it comes to religious stories such as Noah's Ark, you should turn to the Bible for an explanation. And if someone tries to explain the story to you without referencing passages from the Bible, they really have no idea what they are talking about. Try reading the account for yourself, and after you have read the story, then formulate questions that you may have pertaining to it; you draw a better understanding of it all. If you have not read it for yourself, then anyone can tell you anything that they want because it is all their interpretation of the account. It does not mean that it is true. The Bible is your only true source of that explanation.

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #158 on: December 15, 2009, 01:29:28 pm »
No friend these people are so watered down most "christians" can't give you a simple answer because they are not Christians they are just church people you need the discernment of the Holy Spirit. Yes there is evidence of global flooding definately how much of the earth is water now??? How many mountains have they found underwater in several differant locations all over the world? Noahs ark was an event in which the world had become so wicked that God told Noah a righteous man of God and a pracher of Righteousness (in Hebrews) it was a depiction of God's grace and how man and earth had deserved and even cried out with their wicked lives for God to destroy the whole earth. If you read genesis you will see that God had given man the dominion over animals I truly believe if a man walks after the spirit he still has dominion over the animals I have never been attacked by an animal they have come at me though. However getting past that back to the point. God had commanded Noah to build the ark this was a great question of his faith in God do you know why he have to have faith in God? Because like small children we have no understanding of his power and of his atuhority Jesus said we must be likened unto a child to him. We need to humble ourselves because we are limited men in our mental capacity and in our value we are nothing outside of God's divine creation and plan in our lives. He spoke the breath of live and made the first man out of the clay. (this is in Genesis) Nasa recently in 1998 http://www.av1611.org/amazing.html
had discovered that the ingrediants to make man are found in the clay. These supposed "christians" need to cry out for the mercy of God to truly save them from their wretchedness and birth them in the Holy Spirit Jesus said in John 3:3 ye must be born again he emphasised this in that chapter very clearly also in John 3:16 foretelling once again how he was goign to lay down his life for man but we need to become his children to see this. It is only for the inside crowd who loves God! http://www.av1611.org/amazing.html
Anyway we need faith in God the same way (as God has designed us to see this) our small children need to have faith in us they cannot take care of themselves and learn everything on their own they need they parents with dependance as they rely on their parents who have more understanding and knowledge and experiance and strength and etc man will never have what God has. He is eternal in is the father everlating and when he told told noah to build the ark as with everything he does it was for a great purpose it was to show the world they had a chance to repent before the judgement was coming. It took 100 years for Noah to build that ark (this is scientifical too as we go back further in time men has lived longer. This was because God has given man longer to live original in the garden they had eternal life and their was no death but now death was coming upon the wholre world and only one man and his family were right with God and had their heart on him and Noah preached and pleaded with people to turn from their ways because the wrath of God was coming upon the world and their was a great flood but because they could not see it coming they mocked and laughed and continued in their wickedness. God wanted them to sincerely turn from their wickedness but they would not and so he allowed them this time and then when it was finished the time was up and the rain started coming but Noah shut the ark and it was too late. They have found the ark in the arab nations on the mountain tops (well parts of the ark) It was a depiction and forshadowing also of the coming destruction in the end of times and of how man can be saved but when the allotted time is up God's wrath comes down it also is a depction of Grace and the coming salvation in Christ you see God knew from the moment Adam sinned he was going to have to provide his only begotten son for their propitionation else he would have to exact direct judgement on them all and the whole race be damned as satan and his angels already were God provided a rainbow and a promise he would never flood the earth again because of man's wickedness you see God is not willing that any should perish but this was a depiction (as well as it was HISTORY) of how God had dealt with man in those times and how he will deal with them in these last times and we are in the closing times and God's destruction is coming but people are living in wickedness and unrighteousness and mocking God and saying his judgement is not coming as they have done throughout times and he has laid out his evidence as a big ark in front of us and we ignore it (speaking on the behalf of mankind I am saved and have heeded to Christs call and cried out for his mercy and salvation and have been saved and enlightened and transformed in my heart and in my mind and he is continually working on me as I grow closer to him he grows closer to me and for eternity this will be) but man is ignoring it because they want to live wicked unrighteous selfish lives and not Worship their creator they have made up many false gods and have defiled God's name because their hearts are wicked and they will not the truth of God in Christ Jesus the Lord. Those who have the mind of Christ are like noah warning people of the flood because the Lord has forewarned these of the judgement Hebrews 9:27 it is appointed uunto men once the death and then the judgement" All those who have not their name written in the lambs book of life are goign to be cast into the lake of fire and it is real and they have found it (your friendly athiest scientest and this they cannot deny) http://www.av1611.org/hell.html So is heaven so is God's grace and so is his salvation and he is calling out to you whosoever will believe it is ok though because God does not believe in athiests  Read Romans 1 (KJV THIS IS WHY THEIR ARE SO MANY FALSE TRANSLATIONS BECAUSE SATAN HAS SPREAD MANY LIES AND THEY ALL ARE ALIKE THE KJV IS THE ONLY TRUSTABLE ENGLISH TRANSLATION. http://wwwav1611.org/attack.html)

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #159 on: December 15, 2009, 04:11:28 pm »
If you people are searching for the truth or information on the matter, I highly suggest not reading Jerry1216's posts. He is delusional as he has proved a few times before. No doubt he will now say I'm a child-molesting drunkard who's a son of satan. And I'm not christian and he is  ::) What a great advertisement to his faith.

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It does not mean that it is true. The Bible is your only true source of that explanation.

This is interesting you would say this-- I like it. But my only quarrel with it is there are a ton of flood stories from various ancient cultures all happening at different time periods. Look up "The Deluge" and tell me what you think. Just curious.

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One instance was I was eating a couple eggos and walking down the street and all of a sudden I was being chased by a dog and threw my eggo down and it would of been horrible if I didn't have that eggo because the dog left me alone and ate it and I was able to get away. I was lucky and yes that was what I said LUCKY

But you lost your eggo! NOOOO! What about the people that aren't so lucky that walk down the street without eggo waffles and mean dogs? I honestly think you and liljp are not running parallel in argument since he's being broader and you're focusing on the personal issues you've had. I think most of us have had atleast one close instance with death. Some people feel lucky and others feel like a higher power was watching over them. Nothing wrong with either unless it affects your judgement in other areas of your life.
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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #160 on: December 15, 2009, 04:20:53 pm »
JERRY YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION!!!!

WHY DOESN'T THE BIBLE READ ABOUT A HELLFIRE????

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #161 on: December 15, 2009, 07:01:51 pm »
God is an extremely intelligent creator. The Bible says Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God. Psalms 8 gives you a clue to how awesome God is.  Oh Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth. who has set thy glory above the heavens. God is all powerful, all knowing, and ever present all the time in our lives. Read how God gave Noah strict instructions and dimensions on the ark. God told Noah exactly what wood to use.
All because God saw how corrupt and self-serving His creations had become. 

"5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

   6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
Because Noah walked with the Lord and he found grace with God, he and his family survived the flood. Genesis telss how God instructed Noah to bring the animals into the ark and how fowls, cattle, creepy things would come to them. They just had to keep them up.  At times we will not understand exactly how God is working a situation out. Faith requires us to hold on to His promises and not try to figure it all. God created us to choose whether we will believe or not. In the words of Franklin Graham--at some point we have to decide if the Bible is true or not. We can't pick and choose what we believe and don't believe. We must know that God is a God that cannot and will not lie.

Read the scriptures and ask God to reveal them to you. Get an understanding for yourself.

Be blessed




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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #162 on: December 15, 2009, 08:59:44 pm »
JERRY YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION!!!!

WHY DOESN'T THE BIBLE READ ABOUT A HELLFIRE????

ahh I  know I shouldn't yell at retawds like this

The bible does mention Hell Fire.
Revelations: 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown.
They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelations: 20:14
Then death and hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire isthe second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


I took this from the text of a jehovahwitness book my parents had

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Definition: The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl′ and its Greek equivalent hai′des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge′en‧na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).


Now here's some scriptures out of the same Bible Jerry uses
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Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.)

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Ezek. 18:4: “The soul* that is sinning—it itself will die.”

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What is the ‘torment’ to which these texts refer? It is noteworthy that at Revelation 11:10 (KJ) reference is made to ‘prophets that torment those dwelling on the earth.’ Such torment results from humiliating exposure by the messages that these prophets proclaim. At Revelation 14:9-11 (KJ) worshipers of the symbolic “beast and his image” are said to be “tormented with fire and brimstone.” This cannot refer to conscious torment after death because “the dead know not any thing.” (Eccl. 9:5, KJ) Then, what causes them to experience such torment while they are still alive? It is the proclamation by God’s servants that worshipers of the “beast and his image” will experience second death, which is represented by “the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.” The smoke, associated with their fiery destruction, ascends forever because the destruction will be eternal and will never be forgotten. When Revelation 20:10 says that the Devil is to experience ‘torment forever and ever’ in “the lake of fire and brimstone,” what does that mean? Revelation 21:8 (KJ) says clearly that “the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone” means “the second death.” So the Devil’s being “tormented” there forever means that there will be no relief for him; he will be held under restraint forever, actually in eternal death. This use of the word “torment” (from the Greek ba′sa‧nos) reminds one of its use at Matthew 18:34, where the same basic Greek word is applied to a ‘jailer.’—RS, AT, ED, NW

Just to name a few...I could go on but Im not that intrested.

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #163 on: December 15, 2009, 09:03:16 pm »
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Is the soul the same as the spirit?
Eccl. 12:7: “Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit [or, life-force; Hebrew, ru′ach] itself returns to the true God who gave it.” (Notice that the Hebrew word for spirit is ru′ach; but the word translated soul is ne′phesh. The text does not mean that at death the spirit travels all the way to the personal presence of God; rather, any prospect for the person to live again rests with God. In similar usage, we may say that, if required payments are not made by the buyer of a piece of property, the property “returns” to its owner.) (KJ, AS, RS, NE, and Dy all here render ru′ach as “spirit.” NAB reads “life breath.”)
Eccl. 3:19: “There is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit [Hebrew, ru′ach].” (Thus both mankind and beasts are shown to have the same ru′ach, or spirit. For comments on verses 20, 21, see page 383.)
Heb. 4:12: “The word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul [Greek, psy‧khes′; “life,” NE] and spirit [Greek, pneu′ma‧tos], and of joints and their marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.” (Observe that the Greek word for “spirit” is not the same as the word for “soul.”)

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Does conscious life continue for a person after the spirit leaves the body?
Ps. 146:4: “His spirit [Hebrew, from ru′ach] goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (NAB, Ro, Yg, and Dy [145:4] here render ru′ach as “spirit.” Some translations say “breath.”) (Also Psalm 104:29)

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Re: Please explain Noah's Ark to me ...
« Reply #164 on: December 15, 2009, 09:30:09 pm »
Dogs wernt around at that time they are a breed of wolf

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