President Obama's Opponents Give Him Too Much Credit

[mythociate]

I can't believe all these Conservatives who say President Obama needs to be impeached for all the terrible stuff that's going on.

They're saying he "wants to be a dictator" and all other kinds of slander. Pretty-much everything he says publicly is merely consensus of the 'best way to go from here' (generally 'the lesser of several evils').

I thought Conservatives BELIEVED IN the system---that--while there ARE flawed people scattered throughout the system--the system is designed to hammer-out those flaws before ideas come to fruition!

What's Up with That?

[BlackSheepNY]

I can't believe all these Conservatives who say President Obama needs to be impeached for all the terrible stuff that's going on.

They're saying he "wants to be a dictator" and all other kinds of slander. Pretty-much everything he says publicly is merely consensus of the 'best way to go from here' (generally 'the lesser of several evils').

I thought Conservatives BELIEVED IN the system---that--while there ARE flawed people scattered throughout the system--the system is designed to hammer-out those flaws before ideas come to fruition!

What's Up with That?

Conservatives DON'T believe in SOCIALISM, it's not part of what you call, "the system."

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  As a matter of fact, and many of you may find this SHOCKING - it's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH, which, by the way, is your RIGHT under the FIRST AMENDMENT to the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.  Your opinion doesn't make it "slander," unless of course, the opinion doesn't agree with a LIBERALS?

As far as ANYONE believing he should be "impeached," well, that's just wrong.  You can't impeach one who doesn't hold the position LEGALLY to begin with.  In five LONG YEARS, he's yet to prove who he is or where exactly he comes from.  Kind of a hard thing to do when your entire existence is predicated upon lie after lie.  I believe he was the one who said, "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide."  Maybe you can explain why he's spent so much taxpayer money to keep his records hidden?  In the end, though, things work out because truth always prevails.  You can only hide for so long.  No, what really needs to be done is to charge him with Treason and haul him out in handcuffs. 

[hitch0403]

Eccl 8:9 Man has dominated himself to his own injury.


That scripture gains momentum everyday!

[Falconer02]

I can't believe all these Conservatives who say President Obama needs to be impeached for all the terrible stuff that's going on.

They're saying he "wants to be a dictator" and all other kinds of slander. Pretty-much everything he says publicly is merely consensus of the 'best way to go from here' (generally 'the lesser of several evils').

I thought Conservatives BELIEVED IN the system---that--while there ARE flawed people scattered throughout the system--the system is designed to hammer-out those flaws before ideas come to fruition!

I'm just stating what a lot of americans are feeling- both parties have failed. I'm not going to be a cynic here and say they're all evil, it's just that they're not doing their jobs correctly and they're not listening to the citizens of this country as much as they should be. Instead of looking at all the variables, they seem to be taking black-or-white approaches to everything. Example being the NSA- "We need to do this cuz terrorists". BS. It barely does anything, yet we're wasting $10+ billion a year funding something that breaches basic privacy and is hurting our foreign relations.

How about Marijuana? Or drone strikes? Or the TSA? Or the busted-from-the-start ACA? The gov't is doing a lot of big-key things incorrectly and inefficiently. Obama is just the tip of the ice burg with this stuff, so I don't blame him in full. You want actual change in this country? Don't vote D or R. Vote 3rd party. Get rid of a lot of unnecessary red tape that we're paying for. Vote for a younger crowd that grew up with the internet and understands how it falls into human rights.

One thing you need to remember though is that despite all the crap going on in the world (Ukraine for instance), we still have it really good in this country and I think that's a major reason why there aren't as many protests here as there are in other parts of the world. But in no way does that mean the points I brought up don't need to change.

Eccl 8:9 Man has dominated himself to his own injury.
That scripture gains momentum everyday!

If you think voicing your opinion on politics without either being a part of the system or offering a better rational solution, you're extremely foolish. It's like a fat out-of-shape guy sitting on the bench eating McDonalds who's making fun of another guy for exercising.

[mythociate]

Now Falconer02, he's doing this the way it ought to be done: this isn't a "blog" (what I think, what people think about what I think, and THAT'S IT), it's a FORUM---it's what we ALL think & what EVERYBODY thinks about what we ALL think & what EVERYBODY thinks about what EVERYBODY thinks etc!

I can't believe all these Conservatives ... ideas come to fruition!

I'm just stating what a lot of americans are feeling- both parties have failed. I'm not going to be a cynic here and say they're all evil, it's just that they're not doing their jobs correctly and they're not listening to the citizens of this country as much as they should be. Instead of looking at all the variables, they seem to be taking black-or-white approaches to everything. Example being the NSA- "We need to do this cuz terrorists". BS. It barely does anything, yet we're wasting $10+ billion a year funding something that breaches basic privacy and is hurting our foreign relations.

How about Marijuana? Or drone strikes? Or the TSA? Or the busted-from-the-start ACA? The gov't is doing a lot of big-key things incorrectly and inefficiently. Obama is just the tip of the ice burg with this stuff, so I don't blame him in full. You want actual change in this country? Don't vote D or R. Vote 3rd party. Get rid of a lot of unnecessary red tape that we're paying for. Vote for a younger crowd that grew up with the internet and understands how it falls into human rights.

One thing you need to remember though is that despite all the crap going on in the world (Ukraine for instance), we still have it really good in this country and I think that's a major reason why there aren't as many protests here as there are in other parts of the world. But in no way does that mean the points I brought up don't need to change.

"not listening to the citizens of this country as much as they should be" - That's because the people generally don't want 'what's best for everyone' before they want 'what's best for themselves' (and that includes politicians ... which is why politicians so-often make promises they don't deliver on: because people--tax-paying, hard-working, news-watching people--don't WANT to 'make sure everybody has enough to live on' before THEY THEMSELVES have 'enough to live on with no/little discomfort.' If they are in any noticeable discomfort, they want to get rid of that before considering 'what others NEED.'

(And also, the President is just the brightest jewel in the jewel-ENCRUSTED crown ... ^{random thought}if the crown is uncomfortable on the wearer's head, why would he blame that jewel?)^{random thought}

Eccl 8:9 Man has dominated himself to his own injury.
That scripture gains momentum everyday!

If you think voicing your opinion on politics without either being a part of the system or offering a better rational solution, you're extremely foolish. It's like a fat out-of-shape guy sitting on the bench eating McDonalds who's making fun of another guy for exercising.

That 'opinion' was the opinion of King Solomon who conquered things militarily, who brokered a lot of peace (his several-hundred wives were mostly covenant-markers, marking covenant between His- & others' nations) and has been called the greatest king of Israel (or 'the richest,' I dunno). The book quoted was probably his opinion of what he himself used to think!

I think Hitch was telling us what 'the problem' is (and how "rational" is a "solution" without a 'problem'?) The problem? Man dominating himself---again, the 'putting his own good before that of his "compatriot"' (I was going to say "comrade," but 'comrades' are individuals who share AN ENEMY ... though we invented "Satan" to force each other into 'comradeship,' shouldn't we be 'compatriots' first?)

(... leading into the next quote):

Conservatives DON'T believe in SOCIALISM, it's not part of what you call, "the system."

They don't believe in the boogey-man either. Explain what that (their disbelief in socialism) has to do with 'their belief in "the system"'.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  As a matter of fact, and many of you may find this SHOCKING - it's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH, which, by the way, is your RIGHT under the FIRST AMENDMENT to the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.  Your opinion doesn't make it "slander," unless of course, the opinion doesn't agree with a LIBERALS?

"FREEDOM OF SPEECH" is only protected from the lawmaking of Congress. That anyone else gives it to you is just "citizens' courtesy."

As far as ANYONE believing he should be "impeached," well, that's just wrong.  You can't impeach one who doesn't hold the position LEGALLY to begin with.  In five LONG YEARS, he's yet to prove who he is or where exactly he comes from.  Kind of a hard thing to do when your entire existence is predicated upon lie after lie.  I believe he was the one who said, "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide."  Maybe you can explain why he's spent so much taxpayer money to keep his records hidden?  In the end, though, things work out because truth always prevails.  You can only hide for so long.  No, what really needs to be done is to charge him with Treason and haul him out in handcuffs.

You've got sawdust for brains.

I'm sure you think you don't (you think it so strongly that you "know" you don't), but you haven't shown any proof (except for the circumstantial evidence of living, breathing, & most-likely having had all these "thoughts"-etc.)

If you were President, would we have to have access to the machine-scans (CT, MRI, LMNOP ) to KNOW that your head is filled with something-of a consistency different than sawdust & -filled with electrical charges qualifying it as operational?

I would rather just believe that the humaniform has been teaching professorially & serving on the Senate as at-least-as-much-a-citizen as our Founding Fathers.

[hitch0403]

Yes,while Solomon did write Ecc 8:9.......Its Gods words.

Tim 3:16.....All scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching and reproving.....




I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.—Jer. 10:23.

Told long ago man cannot govern himself.Mans history backs it up.The ignorance of Falconer2 backs it even more.He makes those scriptures come to LIFE!!

[lvstephanie]

I can't believe all these Conservatives who say President Obama needs to be impeached for all the terrible stuff that's going on.

You must remember that most of the conservatives calling for his impeachment are in the media or other non-government sector. Often those commentators will shoot off the mouth for the ratings that it brings, or use it as a way to show their anger towards the decisions that the president has said. To a lesser amount are the number of people in Congress that have expressed the same view, and for those it is usually for some specific thing that they felt that the president had crossed the line of what the presidency is capable of doing within the confines of the law. For example, the "Fast and Furious" gunwalking scandal had some questioning how high up the chain of command had agreed to the tactics used in this botched operation, esp. when President Obama used executive privilege to protect some DOJ documents as well as the fact that at about the same time period, Eric Holder became the first sitting cabinet member to be held in Contempt of Congress.

They're saying he "wants to be a dictator" and all other kinds of slander. Pretty-much everything he says publicly is merely consensus of the 'best way to go from here' (generally 'the lesser of several evils').

"FREEDOM OF SPEECH" is only protected from the lawmaking of Congress. That anyone else gives it to you is just "citizens' courtesy."

You are sort-of correct that the 1st Amendment of the Constitution affords the citizens a protection against laws that violate that freedom by making certain forms of speech a criminal activity. This is why even with the 1st Amendment, people can still sue for slander or libel in a civil suit. However, for those suits to have merit, there must be proof of damages to a person's reputation and/or actual monetary damages (eg a person loses his/her job because of the lies told by the other party). Were the president to be impeached because of an actual lie that can be traced back to someone, then the president could sue for defamation (defamation being the umbrella law that covers both slander and libel). However the SCOTUS case The New York Times v. Sullivan (1964) held that defamation must meet the standard of "actual malice" meaning that the person knowingly lied and/or recklessly issued a statement of fact without doing due diligence to determine the veracity of such a statement. Because of this, it becomes increasingly difficult to prove such a case of defamation. Saying "The president wants to be a dictator" may be safe if the accuser supports that statement with truthful facts (eg shows laws that the president signed into law and/or has publicly supported), since it is impossible to read a person's mind to know whether such a statement is truthful. Furthermore, a person cannot be held for defamation by stating a matter of personal opinion. So it is safe to say "I think the president wants to be a dictator" since that is merely making a statement of opinion. Finally I just wanted to point out that you probably meant libel, not slander... "Slander" is defamation by spoken word excluding forms of broadcast, whereas "libel" is defamation in the media (whether that form of media is spoken or written). The president would only sue for slander if a citizen just said that lie to someone else. But without it being broadcasted it would be difficult for the president to actually hear that lie and for that lie to have caused the president any form of damages. Libel, however, is more likely to reach the president's ears and to have an actual effect on the president's reputation.

I thought Conservatives BELIEVED IN the system---that--while there ARE flawed people scattered throughout the system--the system is designed to hammer-out those flaws before ideas come to fruition!

How you say that the system [of our government] is designed to work is correct... However some could argue that this administration is not working with the system as it is designed... A recent study / poll of the national press has found that the Obama administration is the most secretive since Nixon. Also as evidenced by the vote on the Affordable Care Act, conservatives were told that we must pass the bill before we know what's in it as well as the fact that the bill passed through reconciliation which sets a time limit to debate (thereby bypassing the threat of filibuster), some could argue that at least the political party of the president has tried to circumvent the system in order to ram through laws that have not been fully debated in order to iron out those flaws.

[Falconer02]

Now Falconer02, he's doing this the way it ought to be done: this isn't a "blog"

There's some bits of info you need to know before you come to any conclusions. Jehovah's Witnesses are notorious for being ignorant and bashing the country that protects their rights to promote their claims- they'll jump at any weakness that anyone points out in gov't in order to promote the bible or their own beliefs. They also promote this concept that they have a better way of doing things w/o actually taking part in gov't. It's a spoiled and naive group mentality. Besides, this seems like a present-day political thread about current events.

That's because the people generally don't want 'what's best for everyone' before they want 'what's best for themselves' (and that includes politicians ... which is why politicians so-often make promises they don't deliver on: because people--tax-paying, hard-working, news-watching people--don't WANT to 'make sure everybody has enough to live on' before THEY THEMSELVES have 'enough to live on with no/little discomfort.' If they are in any noticeable discomfort, they want to get rid of that before considering 'what others NEED.'

I agree. Nobody's perfect, but when a politician has glaring self-interests, it's immoral and irrational that they should be in an office that's supposed to be watching out for the people. That's why I think lobbying should be illegal.

Man dominating himself---again, the 'putting his own good before that of his "compatriot"' (I was going to say "comrade," but 'comrades' are individuals who share AN ENEMY ... though we invented "Satan" to force each other into 'comradeship,' shouldn't we be 'compatriots' first?)

told long ago man cannot govern himself.Mans history backs it up.The ignorance of Falconer2 backs it even more.He makes those scriptures come to LIFE!!

I'd only be ignorant if governments could not last for over a day. The fact that governments exist and that history shows an abundance of ever-evolving governments...you'd be the ignorant one here. I'm sure you're thinking "But governments fall!", well yeah. Powers can fall, but they're always replaced. Political development is inescapable.

[hitch0403]

Mark 12:17
Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him


Gods people are commanded to do such Falconer.Stop telling your little white lies....it will do you NO Good!!You cannot STOP what Gods name means!!

Jehovah means....He causes to become.

[Falconer02]

Gods people are commanded to do such Falconer.Stop telling your little white lies....it will do you NO Good!!You cannot STOP what Gods name means!!

Jehovah means....He causes to become.

I'm not lying. I understand your frustration with the vast limitations of not partaking in politics due to your belief system, but again, there's no real need to quote ancient mythology or talk about gods when others are talking about current-day politics. It's cult-ish and odd behavior. If you can't add to the actual main topic about antagonizing the president of the US, I'm uncertain as to why you're posting.

I can't believe all these Conservatives who say President Obama needs to be impeached for all the terrible stuff that's going on.

Adding to this, I'd like to say that Bush should have been impeached for allowing such things as the Patriot Act to pass. Since Obama has done nothing but prolong it, he should be punished as well for imploring its existence. We need leaders who understand there are threats out there, but they shouldn't be closing the orchard over a few rotten apples. It's this 'Better safe than sorry!' extremist attitude that's ruining everything. They're getting rich off of it while our freedoms keep dissolving.

[JediJohnnie]

... though we invented "Satan" to force each other into 'comradeship,' shouldn't we be 'compatriots' first?)

We didn't "invent" Satan.

His greatest power is that which we give him.The gift of "unbelief" is one of his most powerful weapons.

[mythociate]

Now Falconer02, he's doing this the way it ought to be done: this isn't a "blog"

I was saying there 'Falconer02 IS doing this the way it ought to be done' (not "Falconer02? Somebody other than you is ..." Sometimes I confuse 'dialogue' with 'correspondence' )

Gods people are commanded to do such Falconer.Stop telling your little white lies....it will do you NO Good!!You cannot STOP what Gods name means!!

Jehovah means....He causes to become.

I'm not lying. I understand your frustration with the vast limitations of not partaking in politics due to your belief system, but again, there's no real need to quote ancient mythology or talk about gods when others are talking about current-day politics. It's cult-ish and odd behavior. If you can't add to the actual main topic about antagonizing the president of the US, I'm uncertain as to why you're posting.

I'm not sure what 'little white lie' he's talking about, but he's NOT talking about anything more-"mythological" than the REST of the world's history! (I'm only thinking about the Ecclesiastes-quote) ... no mention of any 'gods' in that. And--when anyone talks about God--they're REALLY talking about 'the force of becoming' (whether they know it or not). God is involved in EVERY good thing! Discussing Him, we see how far-away-from-"good" the people have made it.

We didn't "invent" Satan.

His greatest power is that which we give him.The gift of "unbelief" is one of his most powerful weapons.

Maybe YOU didn't invent Satan You've heard that 'Speak of the devil & you invite the devil in'-saying? Well, I figure if you don't believe in Satan then you won't talk about him, and he won't be 'invited in'!

The darkness does not exist in the light ... the light doesn't "chase the darkness away," the darkness just DOES NOT EXIST in the light!

[vp44]

Politics and Church, Science do not see the same thing I think We the People wanted Church and Gov separated for a reason. You people need to go back realize and then think about THE LORD.

[mythociate]

Politics and Church, Science do not see the same thing I think We the People wanted Church and Gov separated for a reason.

They DID, but not for the reason you think they did. People in a Church serve other people out of devotion to a Deity (or really devotion to themselves, believing the Deity has the power they hope to 'inherit'); people in a government skip the middle-man & serve other people out of honest devotion to themselves.

I guess the Founding Fathers wanted to evade that 'godly power of the throne'---make us believe that power is 'earned' by 'hard work' ... but that's not what I'm talking about ...

Actually, it kinda is Power IS earned by 'work'---wise work, which is what President Obama did to get the Presidency!

You people need to go back realize and then think about THE LORD.

That Name is where God actually barges-in on politics! It goes back to when the leader was 'how you got your food'---rooted in the word for "bread-guardian." Some might connect it with 'manna in the desert' (the food God gave to the Hebrews in Exodus).

And Obama IS NOT the bread-guardian outside of the Presidential Mansion.

[hitch0403]

Falconer....first off,politics bores me to tears.I am 62 and NEVER voted in my life.I actually got to like Obama.First off its obvious many dont like him cos hes black.Black people tend to have more humility i think.Plus i saved a bunch of cash with Obamacare.

Now if you think the bible has NOTHING to do with the events of the world today....LOL...boy are you in for a rude awakening.Jesus predicted over 2000 yrs ago the events of our day,I am sure you know of the date 1914 from Gods people.The book of Revelation speaks of what will happen in our time.Of course i dont expect you to understand it AT ALL!Your heart is so against God and HIS word you would have a better chance picking  6 lotto numbers!!LOL!

I assure you the only reason i remind people that man cannot govern himself successfully apart from God is because the main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom with his son Jesus as king and they will soon put an end to this satanic system.

Some may just want to understand that and i thank you for helping me witness that to them.