Why Do People Keep Thinking that Jesus Was Better than Any Other Human?

[mythociate]

He wasn't, as He explains while He heals. He was just another Son of Man, and wasn't the Son of God until His trial before Pilate (or before that, when Simon Peter told Him so).

I think we do it so that we can achieve similar 'glory' without fearing we might also have to face crucifixion. 

[JediJohnnie]

He wasn't, as He explains while He heals. He was just another Son of Man, and wasn't the Son of God until His trial before Pilate (or before that, when Simon Peter told Him so).[/b]

I think we do it so that we can achieve similar 'glory' without fearing we might also have to face crucifixion. 

This is a very strange line of reasoning....You mean He had to "declare" Himself Son of God,to be the Son of God?

That's just messed up theology.

 

[hitch0403]

LOL!!!!!!!!

[batmobile]

Because he was! Hahaha...  is that a serious question? Lol

[JediJohnnie]

I would think a little something called the Virgin Birth would've been enough to identify that Jesus was divine rather than just another human!

[hitch0403]

I also think his 33 yrs of life on earth as a man proved HE was Gods begotten son too!

Remember the Roman soldier after Jesus death what he said."This Jesus was surely Gods son."

Plus don't forget all the prophecys in OT that Jesus fulfilled to come true.

[JediJohnnie]

But mythociate's case seems to be He became the Son of God once He "declared" He was the Son of God.

How does that work exactly?If I declare myself a turnip,will I become a turnip? It's a serious question!

[hitch0403]

JJ I think you hit on it earlier.....Mary conceived Jesus thru Gods holy spirit.

I think right there that proves Jesus is Gods son....plus remember Jesus already existed as a spirit...as he was growing up as a human he showed he remembered his time in heaven with his father.

The angel Gabriel mentions who Jesus is too.

Why do you think king Herod wanted the child killed?He knew from prophecy who Jesus was.

[msmoneybags48]

This was not a case of immaculate conception.  God impregnated Mary, who was a virgin and she gave birth to Jesus, who is the "Son of God", "The Son of Man", "The Messiah", or whatever He is to be called.  He was known to be a miraculous man and cured many people.  Whether you believe it or not, He died at the age of 33 and gave us a chance to survive.  What is wrong with that?

[mythociate]

You mean He had to "declare" Himself Son of God,to be the Son of God?

Actually, He DID declare Himself to be the Son of God ... when He told us how to address our prayers, when He said "Our Father" (not 'My Father,' Brother Kenneth Copeland pointed out on a recent broadcast).

I would think a little something called the Virgin Birth would've been enough to identify that Jesus was divine rather than just another human!

So was Alexander the Great, and so are lots-&-lots of African babies!

I also think his 33 yrs of life on earth as a man proved HE was Gods begotten son too!

So? My grandfather lived to 99; does that make him THREE TIMES' the Son of God Jesus was?

He became the Son of God once He "declared" He was the Son of God.

How does that work exactly?If I declare myself a turnip,will I become a turnip? It's a serious question!

Good point; if you declare that you're a turnip, people will think ... pretty much the same thing as if you declare you are Genghis Khan or Daffy Duck. And you'll remember that 'declaring' (or 'agreeing') that He was the Son of God is what Jesus was convicted-of.

...plus remember Jesus already existed as a spirit...as he was growing up as a human he showed he remembered his time in heaven with his father.

So did you, and so did I (exist as a spirit).

Why don't WE show we remember our time in Heaven with Our Father? (... because WE ARE NOT A TURNIP!)

He was known to be a miraculous man and cured many people.

Pshh ... yeah, a rabbit out of a hat!... 

Whether you believe it or not, He died at the age of 33 and gave us a chance to survive.  What is wrong with that?

The same thing as is wrong with the 'fact' that Paul Atredes IS the Kwisatz Haderach!

[JediJohnnie]

You mean He had to "declare" Himself Son of God,to be the Son of God?

Actually, He DID declare Himself to be the Son of God ... when He told us how to address our prayers, when He said "Our Father" (not 'My Father,' Brother Kenneth Copeland pointed out on a recent broadcast).

Well,that isn't the question.Obviously Jesus did identify Himself as the Son of God on several occasions.But is it your belief that He wasn't the Son of God before declaring it?

I would think a little something called the Virgin Birth would've been enough to identify that Jesus was divine rather than just another human!

So was Alexander the Great, and so are lots-&-lots of African babies!

It's tough to tell if you're trolling or not at this point.Did Alexander The Great have thousands of prophesies that detailed virtually every detail of his life from birth to death?There is also little doubt that (you know,putting it delicately) men are involved in the conception of African babies. 

...plus remember Jesus already existed as a spirit...as he was growing up as a human he showed he remembered his time in heaven with his father.

So did you, and so did I (exist as a spirit).

Why don't WE show we remember our time in Heaven with Our Father? (... because WE ARE NOT A TURNIP!)

There is no Biblical evidence for us existing spiritually before conception.Not sure where you got that.

He was known to be a miraculous man and cured many people.

Pshh ... yeah, a rabbit out of a hat!... 

Whether you believe it or not, He died at the age of 33 and gave us a chance to survive.  What is wrong with that?

The same thing as is wrong with the 'fact' that Paul Atredes IS the Kwisatz Haderach!

Apparently,you:

A. Don't believe in the virgin birth
B. Don't believe Jesus was the Son of God (at least not right away....?)
C. Don't believe Jesus preformed miracles
D Don't believe God's Covenant of Christ's Atonement is sufficient
E And you "aren't sure" that God cannot do evil

Yet you refer to Jesus as "Lord" and ply a multitude of biblical questions. I'm sure you're being purposefully elusive about this for your own amusement,but why not just state your beliefs instead of the game.?

[mythociate]

Apparently,you:

A. Don't believe in the virgin birth
B. Don't believe Jesus was the Son of God (at least not right away....?)
C. Don't believe Jesus preformed miracles
D Don't believe God's Covenant of Christ's Atonement is sufficient
E And you "aren't sure" that God cannot do evil

Yet you refer to Jesus as "Lord" and ply a multitude of biblical questions. I'm sure you're being purposefully elusive about this for your own amusement,but why not just state your beliefs instead of the game.?

You mean I 'have to declare "I believe something" before I can believe'? lol

I do believe Jesus is the Son of God, but I don't believe He's the only Son. (Sure, the Bible says He is; but HE says we're His brothers-&-sisters!)

I'm not sure where you got points C & D ... I think He DID do miracles, but not exactly 'of His own power.' & God's Grace is sufficient; 'Christ's blood-atonement or whatever' is a way for our carnal minds to understand that.

And I KNOW God does plenty of 'evil!' Oh, it's never "evil" in the end (it's necessary, like the forge's fire). But it is if you can't change sides---for example, homosexuality is evil. But they try to use the rumor that you're BORN homo- or hetero-, and they reason (promoting that lie as truth) that 'God made the homo's that way.' So God is Evil if you believe the lie.

In a way, I AM 'stating my beliefs' ... in the form of questions, my philosophy being "strong enough to bend."

[hitch0403]

Seriously....such nonsense...

Jesus was Jehovahs BEGOTTEN son....because Jehovah created him directly.Everything else the 2 of them created.Jesus referred to as Gods master worker.

Let US make man.....NOT let me make man.....US is plural

[hitch0403]

Col 1:15 backs it too

[mythociate]

Col 1:15 backs it too

... who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

That to me acknowledges that he is first. Not best, first. Example: I am my parents' first kid. But DEFINITELY NOT best! (and remember King David? he was almost last-born, yet he was 'a man after God's own heart'!)