Are you an evolutionist or a creationist and why

[hitch0403]

I mean lets get real here.The earth and society is pretty screwed up.You have those....

That say God doesn't exist
That say God doesn't care but exists
That say God allows all this crap to happen for a reason.

Now those are 3 beliefs.NOW just think for a sec....they all cant be right.Just like 1 religion teachs the soul is immortal and one doesn't.But then there are many that might say,well as long as you are a good person and go to church blah blah blah...God will find favor with you.OH really???So we get to decide how God feels??LOL!

You could use biblical answers but there are those that twist it around or have no use for it either.

I guess it matters where our hearts are and the judge of the universe sets the standards and then decides from there.And again to those that feel God doesn't exist and death is an end or theres another after-life so be it.But is it enuff to trust what you really don't know?Just like the many that think they will see heavenly bliss when they die.Oh really??How come they aren't jumping off bridges now?

[Falconer02]

Looking at that 'ignores all contradictory evidence,' I think of the bumblebee. I've heard that the bumblebee shouldn't be able to fly. It obviously is, but (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090507194511.htm) it takes more brute-force than it looks like they have! "The bumblebee flies anyway."

I would say that the 'faith' approach to saying the bumblebee does not fly would mean that one still believes it can't fly even though they can actually watch it fly. The scientific approach may start with that premises, but it would be proven false since we have observable evidence of the contrary-- we can see the bumblebee fly and therefore we can state that as fact. If I were to state that they can't fly after both you and I observed it, I would be the delusional individual. Does that make sense? Either way, bumble bee's are weird.

The metaphor I think fits better with the picture is ... I look at them and think of 'boats' (or "starships"): the science-one looks like it has too many doors-to-keep-a-watch-on---ways for leaks & bugs etc. to tear it apart. The faith-one looks safer.

Ignoring contradictory evidence is safer? Are you suggesting that ignorance is bliss? Please explain.

[charmaine56]

I am both you can love God and and how the plan of evolution unfolded. We have more DNA now and can act and with faith make miracles. Prayers are real. energy is real. The correct frequency vibration sound color is all real to your soul. It is just that people who believe in evolution dont realize that was Gods plan for us./

[vp44]

I thought this thread was started for Evolutionist and creationist. Why always it becomes a Bible issue. I asked a ? Emperor Constantine change many things of the bible. No one answered that. At the end of the day none of you are serious scientists or creationist but just ones who have a comment. When CHURCH and SCIENCE concedes it is like Politics and Church. They do not match and can never exist in the same FORUM WORLD.

[ilovepatrick]

my favorite scienist is crick codiscovered of dna he says it more likely that a hurricane hits a junk yard and makes a fully functional 747 airport

[mythociate]

I would say that the 'faith' approach ... would mean that one still believes it can't fly even though they can actually watch it fly.

So 'that you saw it' is incontestable proof?

If I were to state that they can't fly after both you and I observed it, I would be the delusional individual. Does that make sense?

Wouldn't I be the 'delusional one' if I saw it fly even though we both know it can't?

The metaphor I think fits better with the picture is ... I look at them and think of 'boats' (or "starships"): the science-one looks like it has too many doors-to-keep-a-watch-on---ways for leaks & bugs etc. to tear it apart. The faith-one looks safer.

Ignoring contradictory evidence is safer? Are you suggesting that ignorance is bliss? Please explain.

If you're looking for a potential problem, you'll often CREATE the problem itself. For example, I--looking to BLAME 'something other than myself' for my un-married-ness--mistakenly PROCLAIM reasons for women not to marry me (hoping some girl would hear about that 'hole in the boat' and set to work mending it). Therefore, the prospect of marriage-to-me becomes 'a complicated, often-leaky boat.' Now if only I had kept my big 'philosoph-o-phile' mouth shut, I might've gotten some girl to 'hop on board my dinghy and head through rocky, uncharted waters' like most guys do ;-)

(philosophophile - lover of the love of wisdom :-)) )

[hitch0403]

Started right in the beginning...the finger pointing.....Adam told God,the woman you gave me made me sin.

You see it quite happening all the time even in our time.

I think they call it plea bargains to rat on your partners in crime!!

[BJohnsonPP]

Wow, we're still at it huh?

Falconer, I've been reading through what I've missed, and every time I read one of your posts, I had to hit the "say thanks" link but unfortunately, I can only do that once every hour. You'd be flooded with them otherwise.

Btw, without fail, no matter the forum, online or otherwise, believers will always whip out "he's so arrogant" or "he thinks he knows everything". This is of course an ad hominem. It's very high school. I liken it to a pretty girl who all the guys are into, walking by another group of girls. She says nothing and is just minding her business, but what's the first thing that comes out of the other girls mouths? "She thinks she's all that!" She's just walking by! YOU must think she's "all that" and you don't compare. Instead of acknowledging this inadequacy, you instead project it on to her where it manifests itself (in your head) as her being conceited. You can now, of course, proceed to attack this short coming "she" has.

What's arrogant and insufferable is believing in something, providing zero evidence for it, insisting that it's true, ignoring all contradictory evidence, refusing to understand (or being incapable of understanding) the most basic of arguments, spouting nonsense that defies all logic and reason, then pointing to the person dismissing that nonsense as the one with some sort of character flaw. Give me a damn break.

[Falconer02]

So 'that you saw it' is incontestable proof?

Practically? Rationally? Yes. Scientifically? Not so much. I mean we could discover that the universe is actually revolving around that 1 bee! But without proof of this concept, you can only speculate. And speculation does not equate to proof.

Wouldn't I be the 'delusional one' if I saw it fly even though we both know it can't?

In this specific and simple case, I would just require a visual example of it flying. I wouldn't really call you delusional since it's a plausible statement  and it's only practical that I gave you time to gather your evidence. BUT if you were to exclaim that the bee's name is "Nectarius", is the 1 chosen bee, has magical mysterious powers, died for everyone's sins and then came back from the dead to spread the word of Nectarius, and if I didn't believe you I'd be stung by billions of bees in the after life, then yes. Unless I could visually confirm your wild claims, you'd be labelled a delusional.

f you're looking for a potential problem, you'll often CREATE the problem itself. For example, I--looking to BLAME 'something other than myself' for my un-married-ness--mistakenly PROCLAIM reasons for women not to marry me (hoping some girl would hear about that 'hole in the boat' and set to work mending it). Therefore, the prospect of marriage-to-me becomes 'a complicated, often-leaky boat.' Now if only I had kept my big 'philosoph-o-phile' mouth shut, I might've gotten some girl to 'hop on board my dinghy and head through rocky, uncharted waters' like most guys do ;-)

(philosophophile - lover of the love of wisdom :-)) )

If I read this right and I'm following you correctly, you're a riot! lol I suppose in many contexts ignorance (or rather keeping one's mouth shut) has it's perks!

[Falconer02]

alconer, I've been reading through what I've missed, and every time I read one of your posts, I had to hit the "say thanks" link but unfortunately, I can only do that once every hour. You'd be flooded with them otherwise.

Hahah thanks, man!

Btw, without fail, no matter the forum, online or otherwise, believers will always whip out "he's so arrogant" or "he thinks he knows everything". This is of course an ad hominem. It's very high school. I liken it to a pretty girl who all the guys are into, walking by another group of girls. She says nothing and is just minding her business, but what's the first thing that comes out of the other girls mouths? "She thinks she's all that!" She's just walking by! YOU must think she's "all that" and you don't compare. Instead of acknowledging this inadequacy, you instead project it on to her where it manifests itself (in your head) as her being conceited. You can now, of course, proceed to attack this short coming "she" has.

Exactly.

What's arrogant and insufferable is believing in something, providing zero evidence for it, insisting that it's true, ignoring all contradictory evidence, refusing to understand (or being incapable of understanding) the most basic of arguments, spouting nonsense that defies all logic and reason, then pointing to the person dismissing that nonsense as the one with some sort of character flaw. Give me a damn break.

This is also completely true. And unfortunately the ones who need this truth the most will most likely skip this quoted paragraph or think it does not apply to themselves. Such is the way of the internet trolls...

[mythociate]

So 'that you saw it' is incontestable proof?

Practically? Rationally? Yes.  ...

So you've seen STAR WARS & I've STAR WARS, therefore The Force must be the ultimate power in the universe :-?

... Yep, it was showing under my bridge too!

[BJohnsonPP]

What's arrogant and insufferable is believing in something, providing zero evidence for it, insisting that it's true, ignoring all contradictory evidence, refusing to understand (or being incapable of understanding) the most basic of arguments, spouting nonsense that defies all logic and reason, then pointing to the person dismissing that nonsense as the one with some sort of character flaw. Give me a damn break.

This is also completely true. And unfortunately the ones who need this truth the most will most likely skip this quoted paragraph or think it does not apply to themselves. Such is the way of the internet trolls...

This is why sometimes, all I can do is make fun. It's impossible to have a discussion or debate with a brick wall. But of course, I'm the a-hole at that point  .

[nmsmith]

wow what a good topic! Love reading these replies. And its good to know I am not the only one open to other possibilities besides what we have all been taught from the bible and society. BTW I consider myself a spiritual evolutionist!

[madeara]

I am a Creationist.  As a Christian, I believe that God created the Heavens and the Earth.  I believe that the Biblical account of how the world began is completely accurate.

[Falconer02]

So you've seen STAR WARS & I've STAR WARS, therefore The Force must be the ultimate power in the universe :-?

Huh? No- I'd hope to think we both know it's a fictitious movie. Unless you can prove "The Force" exists, you cannot say it does exist unless you want to be labelled a delusional. As crazy as it sounds, it could possibly exist, but since we have no proof, we therefore cannot state it as fact/reality.  Does that make sense?

This is why sometimes, all I can do is make fun. It's impossible to have a discussion or debate with a brick wall. But of course, I'm the a-hole at that point

Don't let their insecurities stop you from discussing with the other people here who are actually interested in the topic!