Are you an evolutionist or a creationist and why

[BJohnsonPP]

There is nothing contradictory in the Bible.

Please stop http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Yeah...if you have a contradiction in mind,state it.I'm not going to read a ton of stuff on a website.Conversation don't work like that, son.

In a forum where the conversation is being had through text, linking to text is absolutely how a conversation works. This is just a guess but, not reading through a ton of stuff is probably the reason you think there are no contradictions in the bible.

In fact,pure unbiased science/archaeology is actually consistent with the Bible.

Yes, the bible has references to people, places, and events that are real... so does Spiderman. He lives in New York... never seen him here though.

Hey,you're very clever!Now, Where's the supposed contradiction?

Wasn't pointing out a contradiction. Was pointing out the meaninglessness of your "point".

If the Bible could be proven to be so unreliable,we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

Battered wives convince themselves that their husbands love them all the time. It's not uncommon for people to deny reality in order to hold on to a belief. Fear is powerful in both cases.

LOL,so let me get this straight.....The multitude of people who have believed in God (both past and present) are victims of "battered woman syndrome?"

Pretty much... or do you think the Abrahamic religions spread far and wide because they handed out daises everywhere they went? There's a reason why "God fearing Christian" is a well known term but, "God loving Christian", not so much.

But,I guess the Militant Atheists consider roughly three quarters of the Earth's population that actually believe in a deity to be brain dead primates.

1st There's nothing militant about me (don't know why you capitalized that). I present facts, you present fantasy, you call me militant. That's all there is to it.
I haven't presented anything,but you sure haven't presented any facts.
2nd Argumentum ad populum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum . You think a lot of people believing something means what?
I never claimed it meant anything beyond the fact that there is a vast majority of people who believe in a deity.That does not make them mentally incompitent as you would seem to indicate.
3rd 2/3 being brain dead primates is not an impossibility but that's not being claimed. These people have a special faith logic that they would never apply to any other area of their life. Start with indoctrination as a child, sprinkle in heavy doses of fear and you've got faith logic.

Or it could be that some of us have actually studied the Bible and found it to be historically and internally consistent.

If you say the bible has no contradictions, you've certainly just presented fantasy which, I guess, is equivalent to presenting nothing. So I guess you're correct.

People that actually study the bible as well as other religions, are typically called atheists. If you can't read through a list of bible quotes on a website, pardon me if the idea of you "studying" the bible is just another example of you presenting fantasy to me.

You dont have to answer me anymore to get your 30 posts.If you need the 3 bucks that bad ill send u a check!!

Wow, you actually did predict something. My last post WAS my 30th post, so yes, I didn't have to answer you anymore. All praise hitch0403!

[Falconer02]

Soooo,do you high minded intellectuals care to answer the question,or just continue proving me right?Either way will be fine.

Answer your questions? Elementary, my dear Watson!

There is nothing contradictory in the Bible.

http://www.project-reason.org/bibleContra_big.pdf

Here is an interactive pdf file of all of the contradictions spotted in the bible! Look at all those red marks! Look at that visual proof with all those passages you can easily look up! You'll have to zoom in quite a bit to see them all! Care to troll again and say it's internally consistent?

In fact,pure unbiased science/archaeology is actually consistent with the Bible.

Actually the burden of proof is on you, fine sir! However I will point out that religious archaeologists are well-known for faking their finds. Example? http://www.examiner.com/article/the-great-noah-s-ark-hoax

If the Bible could be proven to be so unreliable,we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now

Well sure it has some good morals and stories in it, and by all means those should stay within culture. But these stories are usually highlighted whereas all the terrible stuff usually goes unspoken due to the immoral behavior present. You yourself have been guilty of this many times if I don't recall, so you've really dug your own grave before these discussions even start.

We'd all be bowing to the alter of Charles Darwin.

Good ol' Darwin! Actually Darwin was a racist jerk through most of his life. Just like a lot of people of the time. Good thing scientists just apply his actual findings to their research rather than worshipping statues of dead people like religious people do. 

Thomas Edison was also a huge jerk who stole patents and needlessly killed animals. But you have lightbulbs in your home, don't you? Think about that.

I guess the Militant Atheists consider roughly three quarters of the Earth's population that actually believe in a deity to be brain dead primates.

And, sadly, much of the world's population has near the same education as yourself. Atleast others can read these posts and learn the facts.

[Falconer02]

If you say the bible has no contradictions, you've certainly just presented fantasy which, I guess, is equivalent to presenting nothing. So I guess you're correct.

This jedi guy's a riot, isn't he? You gotta love him!

[hitch0403]

Hey Falcon2,how come you know so much and dont know anything?

Mr Johnson,thanx again for the altar and the praise.Maybe i should ask you to send me money.AHHHH,i also got my 30 posts a longtime ago too and have a decent job.So thanx but no thanx.

[Falconer02]

Hey Falcon2,how come you know so much and dont know anything?

...wha? Sort of an oxymoron statement, don't ya think?

[kimmy29]

Watching Steven Meyers a creationist and he makes some good points about DNA having to be thought of and not just random chance.I also like some things that Richard Dawkins has said he's a big evolutionist.Got his book the Blind Watch Maker it's confusing have to try reading it harder like with no distractions .

I don't believe in the bible and I don't really believe we evolved from apes so I guess I'm not sure what to believe.

[vp44]

Joke of the day. Put a evolutionist and creationist along with a Christian in a room what do you get? Many people who think they know so much and try to think they know more than each other. None will ever agree and they will never have a answer except for their own belief that only actually make sense to them. Neither of your RESEARCH have a answer only speculation.

[Falconer02]

Joke of the day. Put a evolutionist and creationist along with a Christian in a room what do you get? Many people who think they know so much and try to think they know more than each other. None will ever agree and they will never have a answer except for their own belief that only actually make sense to them. Neither of your RESEARCH have a answer only speculation.

Evolution is a foundational principle of biology, so calling it 'speculation' is the sign of someone who probably knows nothing about it. This quoted paragraph is nothing more than someone trying to level the playing field, but it fails due to the writer not understanding the topics at hand. Of course there's probably going to be those few who quote it and go "omg this is so true!" which unfortunately only prolongs the severe lack of education in this thread.

[vp44]

Joke of the day. Put a evolutionist and creationist along with a Christian in a room what do you get? Many people who think they know so much and try to think they know more than each other. None will ever agree and they will never have a answer except for their own belief that only actually make sense to them. Neither of your RESEARCH have a answer only speculation.

Evolution is a foundational principle of biology, so calling it 'speculation' is the sign of someone who probably knows nothing about it. This quoted paragraph is nothing more than someone trying to level the playing field, but it fails due to the writer not understanding the topics at hand. Of course there's probably going to be those few who quote it and go "omg this is so true!" which unfortunately only prolongs the severe lack of education in this thread.

I stand by my JOKE neither knows more than the other and I get humor of how each try's to outdo each other. I did say I do not get of what is the difference. If you cared to read previous posts. So for you to try and make it seem like your so educated, strange you did not read posts before accusing someone not being of knowledge. That is what's wrong with some who think they are so smart, a educated fool is what I call them. LMAO Guess what you proved my joke to be true.

[hitch0403]

VP...i certainly didnt need to read your joke to see all the mass confusion that the devil has done in this world to hide the illumination of Gods kingdom thru HIS son Jesus.

I support a worldwide brotherhood of followers of Christ that follow HIS command at Mathew 24:14.This good news of the kingdom will be preached in the entire earth and then the end of this satanic system will come to an end.

So if you wanna think 20,000,000 people attended The Lords evening meal <Memorial of Christ death> because they are trying to out-do each other,i seriously think you better get another writer for your joke telling.

[hitch0403]

And i was referring Nisan 14 or last spring with The Memorial.It was March 26th 2013 this past year!

[Falconer02]

I stand by my JOKE neither knows more than the other

That is an incorrect assertion-- by stating that one does not believe evolution to be a reality and a practiced theory, one is showing either ignorance or stating that they are uneducated on the issue. Not knowing anything about evolution means that one is not familiar with science, and therefore one does know more than the other- the person who understands evolution and creationism and can tell them apart from each other.

I did say I do not get of what is the difference.

Then you should be the one re-reading thread. Not I.

That is what's wrong with some who think they are so smart, a educated fool is what I call them. LMAO Guess what you proved my joke to be true.

Calling someone an "educated fool" because they didn't grasp your ignorant joke is just lame behavior. Don't quit your day job.

[Falconer02]

I support a worldwide brotherhood of followers of Christ that follow HIS command at Mathew 24:14.This good news of the kingdom will be preached in the entire earth and then the end of this satanic system will come to an end.

Care to get back on topic and get off your delusions of grandeur?

[mythociate]

I support a worldwide brotherhood of followers of Christ that follow HIS command at Mathew 24:14.This good news of the kingdom will be preached in the entire earth and then the end of this satanic system will come to an end.

Care to get back on topic and get off your delusions of grandeur?

Maybe 'the opposite of grandeur' is the delusion, and this topic is getting us off the topic we need to focus-on---basically, it's saying that 'creation V evolution' DOESN'T MATTER except as it weighs upon future 'manifestations' (i.e. whether they arise from the 'creative' mind or the 'evolution' of ideas ... I say, Both! the mind CREATES the force that pushes new uses of old material to EVOLVE.)

[Falconer02]

the mind CREATES the force that pushes new uses of old material to EVOLVE.)

That is an interesting way of looking at it! However I think you've confused creativity with creationism in this case-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism