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Delphyne

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2013, 11:27:03 am »
So I'm in this Environmental Studies and Systems class this year.

ANd I find

"Ignorance is bliss."

-_____- I feel so guilty with everything I do now because everything we

do......... AFFECTS OUR WORLD IN SOME WAY SHAPE AND FORM!

How do we fix this huge loss of our water and this growing population before
we run out of resources?!!?!?!


Hmmmmm....  Perhaps you should do research on the green movement and its desires to depopulate the plant.  This is, sadly, not a conspiracy theory.  Last semester I did my final in Sociology on crime and depopulation.  I will share some quotes with you from various green movements.  I spent a great deal of time studying this, including reading World Bank documents, White House documents, and United Nations program documents -- Agenda 21, for instance. 


Are we causing pollution?  Absolutely.  Is our population too much?  No.  Not at all.  There are vast amounts of land that are not inhabited.  Is there a water shortage?  No.  Not really.  But fear sells.  And the government cannot get you to do what they want unless you absolutely fear that there is a crisis, doom coming, or that we risk disaster.

Check into the World Bank Lending Guidelines (loans to countries).  Countries who receive help from the WB must implement population reduction measures.  Refusal may mean the loan is denied.  (Some countries have sterility camps.  In other countries, woman are given forced sterlizations after child birth...this is done without their knowledge or consent.)

As of last year, in the state of Oregon, for example, they made it law that any female as young as 15 may be sterilized under medical coverage.  The horrible aspect of this is, a teenage female, without notifying her parents, may get sterilized. 


So, here are some quotes for you:

First, from David Brower of the Sierra Club:  "Child bearing should be a...crime...unless parents hold a government license.  All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."

Maurice Strong (UN Environmental Program):  "Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse?  Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"

Christopher Manes (Earth First):  "The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable, but a good thing."

Thomas Ferguson (Office of Population Affairs):  "There is a single theme behind our work;  we must reduce population levels."  and "The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa, or through diseases like the Black Death."

United Nations Eco-92 Earth Charter:   "The present past overpopulation now far beyond the world carrying capacity cannot be answered by future reductions in birth rate due to contraception, sterilization, and abortion, but must be met in the present by the reduction of numbers presently existing.  This must be done by whatever means necessary."   [Emphasis is my own.]


From the Georgia Guidestones (a monument in Georgia), this is the first thing written on the stones:  1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE



As I said, I did extensive research.  I love research.  I have a notebook filled with the stuff I found.  The majority of the information came from government documents. 






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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2013, 12:41:09 pm »
My original post in response to the originating post of this thread was of course not to suggest that any efforts be made to move the worlds population into a singular space like Texas or that everyone build their own water system. It should be obvious I was demonstrating the absurdity of the Doom & Gloom preaching by making rather like absurd assertions. This seems to have accomplished my intended goals!!  ;D

The main thing I wanted to do was to get the poster, as well as others, to THINK for themselves and examine the REASONS certain things are promoted. This is something that all to few actually do! The pro-choice advocates will NEVER mention the acutal 'founder' of their entire movement (Margret Sanger) and her beliefs. I am not making any judgement calls on the topic, but demonstrating the need for examining the source of things before getting in line with a 'cause'.  :wave:

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2013, 01:38:56 pm »
@jcmmaskill...you said it best....I say it all the time, no way the Earth is over populated.....Texas sums it up....I did say the USA.....we as a people need to get back to planting our own food and not relying on other or importing to bring us a meal.....good luck in class, and plant a garden so I will have somewhere to get some green veggies that are fresh...lol

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2013, 06:54:27 pm »
My original post in response to the originating post of this thread was of course not to suggest that any efforts be made to move the worlds population into a singular space like Texas or that everyone build their own water system. It should be obvious I was demonstrating the absurdity of the Doom & Gloom preaching by making rather like absurd assertions. This seems to have accomplished my intended goals!!  ;D

The main thing I wanted to do was to get the poster, as well as others, to THINK for themselves and examine the REASONS certain things are promoted. This is something that all to few actually do! The pro-choice advocates will NEVER mention the acutal 'founder' of their entire movement (Margret Sanger) and her beliefs. I am not making any judgement calls on the topic, but demonstrating the need for examining the source of things before getting in line with a 'cause'.  :wave:

And my my response was not meant to sound rude or anything it's just so HUGE xD and was such a big lesson these past few weeks.
I just had to blab it all out. xD

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2013, 08:54:07 pm »
I certainly took no offense, and I doubt anyone else did either. I think the point I was making has accepted and that is all I was aiming for. Students are supposed to question EVERYTHING, but it seems that in today's society so much is accpeted at face value without any serious inspection into just what is being promoted by the mainstream media.

I hope you and others will make the effort to cosume what is offered in the class room as well as 'in the news' with an objective eye!

Best wishes in your studies, I wish you well!

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2013, 12:09:51 am »
As for the green anything movement I tend to take most of these viewpoints with a large grain of skeptisim ever since I was told matter of factly the some vice president invented the internet.    However on the other side if it makes you feel better to recycle, reuse and conserve more power to ya.  But be careful when your try to modify others free will and choices to fit your own.   Haveing been listening to the sky is falling and recycling my aluminum cans, keeping my grass green for over 30 years now I figure it is time to just focus on the important things that I can change and not worry about the ones I cannot. 

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2013, 12:55:19 pm »
I certainly took no offense, and I doubt anyone else did either. I think the point I was making has accepted and that is all I was aiming for. Students are supposed to question EVERYTHING, but it seems that in today's society so much is accpeted at face value without any serious inspection into just what is being promoted by the mainstream media.

I hope you and others will make the effort to cosume what is offered in the class room as well as 'in the news' with an objective eye!

Best wishes in your studies, I wish you well!


My goodness.  Thank you for this.  MY BIGGEST issue with people nowadays is that they believe anything the MSM or government says, without fully doing the research.  I am notorious for questioning everything, and sometimes it gets me into trouble.  But, it has also led to some amazing knowledge and research.  I am glad you gave this advice. 


My husband and I do not watch TV and we do not watch the news.  MSM news is not really news.  It is just junk that they want people to believe. 


Sadly, though, the general public DOES NOT want to learn for themselves.  They want to be told what to believe and how to feel.  The Milgram Studies on Obedience is an excellent learning tool.  I suggest that everyone reads about it, and then understand how easy it is to sway belief, opinion, or action.


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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2013, 01:18:32 pm »
I'm on the same page as PAINTS.  I'm unable to control what other's do; however, I can make a personally choice to consciously make the world a better place.

I also do my best to recycle and I'm grateful for the beautiful planet that we all have the opportunity to experience.   :heart:
Have a great day!

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2013, 04:31:48 pm »

     We live in an overpopulated world...full of pollutants and pollution caused by these substances. Take care of yourself and others...so we all can survive.

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2013, 07:40:40 pm »

So I'm in this Environmental Studies and Systems class this year.

ANd I find

"Ignorance is bliss."

-_____- I feel so guilty with everything I do now because everything we

do......... AFFECTS OUR WORLD IN SOME WAY SHAPE AND FORM!

How do we fix this huge loss of our water and this growing population before
we run out of resources?!!?!?!
Going green also involves buying some Carbon offsets.   THey help the environment greatly..
AmNeStY InTeRnAtIoNaL rules!

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