The real actual totally 100% legitimate truth about prayer.

[tangiechan]

Hmm. But the only evidence that was provided against prayer is that it isn't effective against illness.

Isn't that sort of the major one here? I understand keeping someone with an illness or injury in a good mindframe is important (same with animals), but knowing someone is praying for you or having the person pray to themselves is on par with bringing in/eating their favorite food. Placebo effects are also a major key here.

I should have stated there is 0 evidence showing that prayer leads to supernatural occurrences that help people.

Prayer helps people spiritually. It gives them hope. For some people, religion and prayer are the only things that are keeping them going.

Well then more power to them! But if they go around stating they were saved by supernatural powers/entities (like the majority of the religious do), they should be expecting skepticism.

No, it can't cure or improve illness, but it still improves lives and helps people cope with/accept illness (and other problems that they can't control).

If it can't improve or cure illnesses, then the religious shouldn't say it can as that is dishonest.

Right. I'm not denying that it is quite delusional.

I've never heard a religious person say that prayer can improve/cure illnesses. I've been to church (Baptist and Catholic) quite a bit and I've never heard a priest/pastor say that it can/will heal illnesses. Praying is to strengthen hope, to reassure, and to "get closer to god".

[JediJohnnie]

Eh,I don't even bother much with these troll threads anymore. You'll find only the most insecure person creating such a thread-during Holy Week,yet.

[Flackle]

Eh,I don't even bother much with these troll threads anymore. You'll find only the most insecure person creating such a thread-during Holy Week,yet.

Just because you read something you disagree with does not make it trolling. I would highly recommend you research the definition of the word, because it's obvious you don't know what it means.

[Falconer02]

Right. I'm not denying that it is quite delusional.

We've had our fair share of weirdos on this forum who say such delusional things too. Once in a while you may see it. Very funny (if not sad).

Just because you read something you disagree with does not make it trolling.

The real reason he avoids these threads is because he gets trampled with elementary logic every time he posts. It's fairly entertaining!

[healthfreedom]

IN ORDER TO KNOW THAT PRAYER WORKS, ONE HAS TO BELIEVE IN WHO HE'S PRAYING TO. AND SINCE THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, THEN YOU HAVE TO SEEK HIM IN PRAYER. I KNOW THE TRUE GOD OF HEAVEN WHOSE SON IS JESUS CHRIST. I TALK TO/WITH GOD EVERY DAY.

[davidf938]

I agree that most prayer is useless other than giving the person praying a false sense of hope that his or her will will be done