Gay Marriage

[liljp617]

"We must obey God as ruler rather than men", Do you agree LittleDebbieG? With that being said; We are talking about gay marriage not Sodom and Gomorrah. I am not hating or bashing gays, all I am saying is their sexual practice is wrong. In the Bible when they speak of man and wife, they were refering to one man and one woman. Since you are familiar with the Bible then you have no problem checking these out. Leviticus chp 18 (the commandments), Romans chp 1, 1 Corinthians chp 6: 9-10 and Hebrew chp 13. Need I say more?

I suppose I'll ask you the same question I asked someone else above, since that person refuses to answer for whatever reason.

Why do you pick and choose which rules and moral views to uphold from the Bible and throw out the others?

This same book says blatantly immoral things such as:

1)  Stone disobedient children
2)  If a man rapes a woman, the man must pay the woman's father 50 silver pieces and then marry the woman because he violated her
3)  Slavery is fine
4)  A woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night should be stoned

Sadly, some of these are found just a few verses before or after the verses you're referring to (the first one is just THREE verses before Leviticus 20:13, which many Christians use as "support" for their stance against homosexuality).  And there are dozens and dozens more just like this everywhere in the Bible.

It says plain silly things such as:

1)  Eating shellfish is an abomination (how about that, eating shellfish and homosexuality are both abominations...real logical)
2)  Wearing wool-blended clothing is wrong
3)  Deport any male and female who have sex while the female is on her period

This list also goes on and on.

So, again, why don't you follow these "rules/laws," but you feel it necessary to quote other verses from the same books of the Bible and uphold them as though they're infallible?  Why don't you even promote what they say?

On a side note, the Bible condones polygamy and many significant OT males practiced polygamy (David, Solomon, and so on), so the view that marriage is strictly "one man, one woman" doesn't seem to hold up as strongly as one would think.

[katkenn1124]

I am straight, but I believe people should be allowed to be who they are. If 2 people truly love each other, they should have the opportunity to announce that love in front of their friends & family & exchange wedding vows...it's 2009...about time for some much needed tolerance!!
To all those who fall back on the "bible" keep this in mind: the "bible" was written by a group of scholars, all MEN, mostly pagans..if U don't know what a pagan is, enlighten yourself & google it! There is no factual proof the "bible" is even a book handed down by this "god" you put so much stock into!!!!
I'm not trying to start a theological debate here, just stating facts...sorry if this offends anyone!

[chchtati]

I truly believe that everyone has the freedom to choose what they want to be or who the want to be with. I respect gay people and I have always respected them. I have a few family members who are gay and so what!! 

But there are many other IMPORTANT ISSUES going on in this country that should be taken care of instead of trying to agree or disagree with the gay marriage.

That's what I think... 

[cowgirlx]

Maybe having gay marriages will allow more people to come out, which may result in a slowdown in the over population we are heading towards.  Just a thought.

[LittleDebbieG]

On the basis of religion, here's a question that I have never understood: If homosexual practice is indeed such a grevious sin, then why have homosexuals been allowed to exist through these thousands of years? If they were such an abomination, would not they have gone "exinct" with the great flood?

[cowgirlx]

Good one I too would like to know the answer to that.

[thartsell]

I find it interesting that people use a religious excuse to be against Gay Marriage being as how America is supposed to be a secular nation. If it is not religious based, why is this even an issue? Moreso, why does it effect anyone else? Statistically, gay marriages actually have a lower divorce rate than straight marriage. I just do not understand why the effort to pursue happiness by gay couples is anyone else's business but their own.

I think if this country truly wants to live up to it's word of being secular as well as a free nation, gay marriage should be permitted and, like it or not, it most likely will someday.

[lavafriction]

Do you think it's right? To me marriage is between a man n woman,

[cowgirlx]

Why is their happiness up to you, and what you think is right?

[kesto4]

Homosexuals only have a life span of 40-45 years because they die from so many diseases. God meant for this to happen, the reason people are getting STD's and what not is because you should wait until you are married to have sex. Think about it, if you wait till you are married, you won't get any diseases. Its God's way of saying, no matter what happens, I control. And Homosexuals also have a much higher separation rate.

[kesto4]

I believe in Gay marriage.  I don't understand why it should be any different than straight marriage.  A man or woman is gay, they're still human and as such should have the same rights as other humans.  There is a seperation of church and state for a reason.  Love is love, there shouldn't be any boundries.

If love is love, then shouldn't we allow humans to marry dogs and cats or horses? Like you said, "Love is love, there shouldn't be any boundaries"

[liljp617]

On the basis of religion, here's a question that I have never understood: If homosexual practice is indeed such a grevious sin, then why have homosexuals been allowed to exist through these thousands of years? If they were such an abomination, would not they have gone "exinct" with the great flood?

You're being too logical for them.  They don't like being asked questions that require they think about their beliefs.

Homosexuals only have a life span of 40-45 years because they die from so many diseases. God meant for this to happen, the reason people are getting STD's and what not is because you should wait until you are married to have sex. Think about it, if you wait till you are married, you won't get any diseases. Its God's way of saying, no matter what happens, I control. And Homosexuals also have a much higher separation rate.

Married people get STDs.  I don't know if you're aware of that.

Your God is omniscient and the Bible clearly implies there is determinism/predestination.  Based on Christian logic, he created these people fully knowing what they would do with their lives and there is nothing an individual can do to "choose" against the knowledge of an omniscient being.  Blame your god.

I believe in Gay marriage.  I don't understand why it should be any different than straight marriage.  A man or woman is gay, they're still human and as such should have the same rights as other humans.  There is a seperation of church and state for a reason.  Love is love, there shouldn't be any boundries.

If love is love, then shouldn't we allow humans to marry dogs and cats or horses? Like you said, "Love is love, there shouldn't be any boundaries"

If they truly desire to.  Does it make a difference in your life what somebody 3000 miles away does with their life?  If it does, you have some problems of your own.  If something this minuscule somehow "degrades your marriage," then your marriage probably wasn't much to begin with.

Either way, if this is the logic you're using to oppose same sex marriages, then it's pretty weak.  There are no benefits to being married to an animal as there are being married to another human being.

And I know I'm making a mistake by trying to have a discussion with someone who shares common views with Jerry Falwell.

[cah5525]

Homosexuals only have a life span of 40-45 years because they die from so many diseases. God meant for this to happen, the reason people are getting STD's and what not is because you should wait until you are married to have sex. Think about it, if you wait till you are married, you won't get any diseases. Its God's way of saying, no matter what happens, I control. And Homosexuals also have a much higher separation rate.

You can't get any diseases if you wait to have sex until you are married? check the cdc... i don't think waiting to have sex until you are married can equate  to 100% protection. where are you getting your statistics from? (please send me a link) life-span of 40-45 years??? some back woods church? is that what they are teaching now?

[Kymberli0529]

I find it interesting that people use a religious excuse to be against Gay Marriage being as how America is supposed to be a secular nation. If it is not religious based, why is this even an issue? Moreso, why does it effect anyone else? Statistically, gay marriages actually have a lower divorce rate than straight marriage. I just do not understand why the effort to pursue happiness by gay couples is anyone else's business but their own.

I think if this country truly wants to live up to it's word of being secular as well as a free nation, gay marriage should be permitted and, like it or not, it most likely will someday.

I completely and 100% agree, I've said it before and I'll say it again...There is a seperation of church and state for a reason.

[mlbevins]

Marriage comes from the bible.

Plain and simple, no it doesn't.  Neither in its history nor in the present laws of the United States.  Marriage in the United States is entirely a legal right.  You're not married because a random priest says so, you're married because the state approves it and hands you your marriage license.  Please do some reading on the history of marriage as well before stating factually that marriage has any origin at all in the Bible.  It was around centuries and centuries before your book and the definition and purpose of marriage has changed dozens upon dozens of times throughout history.

Let me ask you this.  Where in the world do think that our judicial system started from, who originally gave us the list of things that was wrong.  Because if it did not come from God then where did it come from.