Gay Marriage

[discardedheart]

No, it's blatantly false. 

There are a multitude of Christian churches, organizations, etc. that do not oppress homosexuality and do not oppose gay marriage.  Many of whom have marched alongside gay rights activists and have stated they would gladly marry a same sex couple.

On the other side, there are billions of people in the world who do not believe in the Bible (4.6 approximately), and I would venture to say a large percentage of them oppose homosexuality and/or gay marriage either for cultural reasons or other religious reasons.

The idea that one can't think rationally and in a modern sense on any issue simply because that person believes in a book of outdated principles and ideals is nonsense; many people do believe in the Bible and are perfectly content with homosexuality and gay marriage.  The idea that anyone who doesn't believe in the Bible automatically feels fine with homosexuality and gay marriage is also nonsense; many people don't believe in the Bible and do not support homosexuality or gay marriage.

do you honestly think it does you ANY good to bother with yet another rant about how "irrational" and "illogical" my thinking and views are? get over it, man. i'm not trying to debate with you. quite frankly, i don't care what you have to say about it. i'm sure i'm not the only person you annoy.

have a nice evening

Have fun ignoring the rest of the post and the entire point of the post.  To be expected? Certainly.  Most of you all always hang on one word or one sentence if you can't find disagreement with the whole response.  It's called a red herring and strawman.

What is the point of adding anything else when you plainly do not care how we feel and believe.  You are never going to convence us that your veiws are correct.

What was said was false, clearly.

This

Those of us that believe in the bible will never feel that gay marriage is right, and those that don't believe will always think that it is okay.  There will never be an end to this conversation.

is not true.  She said it was.

It is not true because there are very clear examples everywhere that it does not hold up in reality. 

You cannot get hung up on three or four words you dislike in an entire post and ignore everything.  That's precisely what she did.  Again, it's a red herring.

You're right, I don't care what you believe.  Believe whatever you wish...I don't care if somebody believes they're king of the world.  I don't care if a person is xenophobic, homophobic, racist, prejudice in any fashion, etc. (I'm not saying you are...).  That's all fine and dandy if that's how they wish to live their life. But don't bring it into public and expect not to get any backlash from people pointing out the inhumanity and lack of civility.  Private beliefs are not of interest to most people UNTIL that belief is used as reasoning and justification to bar rights and freedoms from others.  There's a line.  At that point, the line is crossed and it should and will be met with opposition.

wow, you really showed me.
i bow down to you and your almighty knowledge.

Aahh still at it I see, "a dog with a bone". Agree to disagree and let it rest. We all have opinions, and we have the right to have them and stand by them. There are more urgent matters to discuss in our present time other than gay marriage/relationships. So kiss and make up and lets move on. Okay? 

siiigh, agreed.
agreed completely.

[djdiggz]

there is no way someone is going to convince a gay person , a thief , a murderer , or even a straight person that is an adulterer, show them their wrong  ,because they will find everything /argument to say that what  they are doing is right.

Please, never again say anything on the topic if you're going to equate homosexuality with murder, stealing, or any other capital offense.  That's flat out ridiculous and if your neurons were moving, you'd realize that.

why because the book (the bible) that has been here for thousand of years , that we actually live by but dont realize is not believed by many. (bible actually shows all these are wrong)

There are 4.6 billion people in the world who do not uphold your book, obviously do not live by your book, do not care about your book, and certainly do not believe in your book.  Over 2/3 of the world does not care about your book.

so this leaves us with the scientific part of things...................... and even this shows that it is wrong . you dont even have to know the deep biological aspect of things just the surface.  it goes beyond the laws of nature ...has said before.

Practice of homosexuality has been documented in nature in 1,500 species, ranging from invertebrates to apes.

but to back up the argument of the strong sexual connection between the same sex, it is believed that there is a chemical imbalance in these individuals,so it not entirely their fault.

I have a hard time taking anything you say on anything related to science seriously given the blatant lack of research and obvious lack of critical thought on the subject.

Then as soon as we fully accept this unnatural life style, you will soon hear our civilization , accepting......incest seeing it as just an alternative life style........................beastuaility (having sex with animals) ..................rape .........................and pedophilia ...............  am telling you our future aint looking too good .


i bet you would be the first to accept em too.

[PMZ908]

 

[aoyelove]

The gay marrage issue we have now is the same racial acceptance issue our ancestors were facing decades and centuries ago. People will look back upon this time the way we look back upon the civil rights era, the women's suffrage and the civil war and other such defining moments in history.

[katkenn1124]

Will this debate go on forever or what?  We can debate this forever, but everyone would benefit from some tolerance of other people's choices! People are going to do whatever they feel is right for them no matter what "Society" thinks! I think the issue is gay people want to be able to show their commitment to each other the same way as everyone else, Where is the shame there? I think we should as a "Society" just accept gay marriage. I mean a lot of straight people get married to cover someone else on their benefits, help people stay in this country, comfort, security,  etc. Gay people just want to get married for love, where is the wrong in that?? Seriously!?!

[jester2dr]

ok.... i weighed in on this subject early on... i think it was day 2 of the marathon..... then it took a turn away from the subject.... it has turned into a debate on whether the bible is true or not, and if homosexuality is right or wrong..... and completely away from "gay marriage", so i stayed out of it... but i just wanted to reintroduce my previous suggestion......

the real issues are two different  things.....

first.... should two people, who want to be in a monogomous relationship, commiting the rest of their lives to each other, be allowed to have the same rights no matter what their sexual orientation.... the answer is yes

second... should the "label" be the same.... this is the one most people struggle with...

marriage by definition has been between a man and a woman to procreate....

the religious types believe it was sanctioned by God to be that way....

an alternative label was suggested (civil union) to allow the same rights that  "married couples" get... the old "separate but equal argument"

and this idea wasn't well received....


my suggestion is simple.... NO STATE SANCTIONED "MARRIAGES".... make all of the state recognized unions.... "civil unions"..... make that the requirement for all the benefits, that should come with the choice to spend the rest of your life with someone...

then people who want to express themselves in a religious "marriage ceremony" could still call themselves "married" as an expession of their belief system and not as a requirement for benefits...

i know that some one disagreed with MY definition of marriage but the idea would solve this debate (the one about gay marriage)....

[SoontobeLane36]

Gay marriage IS WRONG, God said so in more than one place in the bible. And since he said it's wrong, they should not have the same rights as a man and a woman that get married. Remember, God made a man and a woman....not two men or two women. God accepts a marriage between a man and a woman. He DOES NOT accept a marriage between two men or two women.

[firefly001]

Everyone take a deep hold it... hold it.... now release. There doesn't that feel better

[aoyelove]

Gay marriage IS WRONG, God said so in more than one place in the bible. And since he said it's wrong, they should not have the same rights as a man and a woman that get married. Remember, God made a man and a woman....not two men or two women. God accepts a marriage between a man and a woman. He DOES NOT accept a marriage between two men or two women.

You seem to to believe deeply in what the bible says, but I'm sure that you, like so many of  your sort, only choose to tout scriptures when it is convient for you, and probably defy other things said in the bible at the same time.

[liljp617]

there is no way someone is going to convince a gay person , a thief , a murderer , or even a straight person that is an adulterer, show them their wrong  ,because they will find everything /argument to say that what  they are doing is right.

Please, never again say anything on the topic if you're going to equate homosexuality with murder, stealing, or any other capital offense.  That's flat out ridiculous and if your neurons were moving, you'd realize that.

why because the book (the bible) that has been here for thousand of years , that we actually live by but dont realize is not believed by many. (bible actually shows all these are wrong)

There are 4.6 billion people in the world who do not uphold your book, obviously do not live by your book, do not care about your book, and certainly do not believe in your book.  Over 2/3 of the world does not care about your book.

so this leaves us with the scientific part of things...................... and even this shows that it is wrong . you dont even have to know the deep biological aspect of things just the surface.  it goes beyond the laws of nature ...has said before.

Practice of homosexuality has been documented in nature in 1,500 species, ranging from invertebrates to apes.

but to back up the argument of the strong sexual connection between the same sex, it is believed that there is a chemical imbalance in these individuals,so it not entirely their fault.

I have a hard time taking anything you say on anything related to science seriously given the blatant lack of research and obvious lack of critical thought on the subject.

Then as soon as we fully accept this unnatural life style, you will soon hear our civilization , accepting......incest seeing it as just an alternative life style........................beastuaility (having sex with animals) ..................rape .........................and pedophilia ...............  am telling you our future aint looking too good .


i bet you would be the first to accept em too.

When someone replies to you, it's useful to actually read their reply.  But I suppose I can repeat myself...

On the subject of natural vs unnatural: 

Homosexuality has been documented and observed in 1,500 species in the wild ranging from invertebrates to apes.  That, in my book, is what we refer to as "nature."

There are thousands of things in this world that humans use/do daily that are "unnatural."  Any contraceptive is unnatural. The way we grow food is unnatural.  The way we obtain meat is unnatural.  The water we drink is unnatural (for obvious good reasons).  Having sex with no intention to reproduce is unnatural.  The size of the human population is unnatural.  Just about every medication you've ever taken is unnatural.  The list goes on for days...

Shall we persistently oppose all of these things?  A lot of people are going to die (probably both you and I will be included in that) if we oppose these things, among others.  Our entire civilization and daily methods of living are unnatural.  We defy nature constantly to survive above our carrying capacity.  Clearly, "unnatural" things are not inherently bad...(if you have a counter argument to this, I'd be glad to hear it; I have a feeling you don't even want a discussion).


The rest of your post is full of nonsense.  Again, there is no relation between homosexuality and pedophilia, bestiality, rape, or incest.  If there were, surely you could make a logical case for it rather than just repeating the words over and over (that means I'd like to hear your argument on their connection).

If the best opposing argument against homosexuality you can think of is that it will inevitably lead to pedophilia, rape, etc. then you haven't given this hardly any thought.  Why in the hell would our laws on pedophilia, rape, etc. change because we allow same sex marriages?  Our laws and negative views towards those CRIMINAL actions haven't loosened up a bit since more and more people have "come out."  Please explain why they would magically change if we accept same sex marriage.  (Hint: They wont, they're not related topics)

On a random note, according to your religion, mankind's current existence has it's roots in incest.

[viva05]

People do what that what to do but, like I said God made Adam and Eve not adam and steve.

[drmotorboatjones]

Just curious. How do you no on gay marriage feel about breast implants? God sure didn't create those abominations! I suspect those protesting gay marriage should also oppose other "unnatural things"

[liz1084]

I believe 100 % percent go gay marriage. I believe in the eyes of the government that we should all have the same rights!! Same as straight people leaving in a long term relationship. People who don't believe in gay marriage are doing mostly for religious reasons. But it has nothing to do with religion when you want to go down to the court house to get a certificate stating that you are becoming a family and want the same rights as other familys. We I've in a free and equal country we need to stand for that and and make this legal. Because right now we are not equal!!

[liljp617]

People do what that what to do but, like I said God made Adam and Eve not adam and steve.

Is this really as deeply as you've thought on the issue?

This is something I've heard 6th graders say...surely you can think a bit more than a 6th grader...

[liz1084]

I agree with liljp617. I am a believer in God. I was raised Catholic but instead of believing in what the priests interpreted the workings of God into I tend to take what God tells us to believe in my own believes. God has told us to love our brothers and sisters. God also made everyone and everything for a reason, yes there are man made things out there that are unnatural and should not be here. But Gay men and Woman were made by God. And this discussion is suppose to be about Gay marriage. Gay people are not asking to be "married" in the eyes of the church.(but I would agree with a gay couple if they did want to profess there love in front of God because they are made from him and in his likeness) They are asking to profess there love and get the same rights as other family's that get a license that they are becoming a family. All in all God teaches us (any God that you believe in) to love each other. We were wrong when we treated black people the way we treated them. We were wrong in treating Women the way we treated them. We are wrong for not giving Gay Americans the rights that everyone else gets. I am a straight woman but I feel very strongly about this because there is not enough love and understanding in how important human life and happiness is. I don't believe in the death penalty, I don't believe in Abortion, and I don't believe in not letting Gay people get married. It is not our choice to say what is morally right or wrong and it is not our choice to take someone elses life away from them. That is Gods he will be your last judge.