I think some Christians think that whats for most Americans is not for them and at same time think they are so precious of the lords word they will never do wrong. When in reality most Christians are hypocrites and God is not their main worship.
Sadly, I have to agree with you on that point. Some of my family members have joined fundamental churches in recent years. It's really difficult to be around their holier than thou attitude at times. It's also pretty depressing to see people self-identify as Christians and then spew pure venom at people who disagree with their views.
Unfortunately, it happens on both sides of the fence. A little acceptance can go a long way with kindness when both sides understand that both sides have their own personal choices and views, and that it's okay to believe or disbelieve, according to each individual's choice.
[sarcasm] Exactly. We shouldn't be debating because we need to realize that everyone has their own opinions. There is not such thing as a wrong opinion, and we should not make any attempts at uncovering the truth. Because frankly, if we start to actually argue we could offend someone. And not offending someone is way more important that trying to understand the truth. [/sarcasm]
Discussing and debating is fine - I have no issues with that. I do have issues when it becomes so heated and mean [/b that there is no listening to either side, which means nothing provided is accepted nor listened to. There's a difference. Add sarcasm in, and others know the sarcastic ones have no interest in debating as much as they do agitating.
I think sarcasm is appropriate, when you are suggesting we should use the "offensiveness" of someone's post to justify censoring and ignoring them simply because they have an opinion that's not yours. There is no objective way to measure meanness. I find religion and its beliefs to be extremely offensive to human intellect as a whole, but I don't whine about it. I simply debate and disagree with it, and occasionally ridicule it because, at least to me, religion is ridiculous.
The fact alone that I am debating at all should be enough evidence that I actually care about your opinion, and I wish to discuss your beliefs in comparison to mine.
Many people disagree about what "whining" means, also. Sarcasm is not always necessary when others are being sincere with what they are saying, believing, and/or meaning. Debating and discussing are one thing, but sarcasm, when used just to agitate or make someone look like an idiot, only makes the sarcastic one look like someone who isn't wanting to genuinely discuss the issue or topic.
I don't expect everyone to believe as I do, nor should anyone expect others to believe as they do. However, there are some who really do think their way is the only way, period, and get angry when people disagree. Those are the ones who have an issue with accepting that not everyone believes the same, and there's just no debating, discussing, nor arguing with them about it - it's a waste of time and effort.
Of course whining is also subjective, but I also have never suggested that those who whine shouldn't post, either. Are you also suggesting that I should only be sarcastic when other people are being sarcastic?
As for the second bolded statement, well of course people think that their opinions are right. Everyone should think that their opinions are right. The entire point of debating is trying to figure out whose opinion is actually right, and is actually based on reality and which opinions are wrong. Just because you can't convince other people that your opinion is the right one doesn't mean that it's useless to debate against them. The point of debate isn't
just to convince someone that your way is the right way, its about reflecting to try and determine the one that best fits reality. Its a form of personal growth, in which you not only question other people's beliefs but yours as well. If someone else is so affirmed in their beliefs that they didn't even reconsider them, then that's fine. Its what
you take from that debate that was important, not how convincing you where to the other person.
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