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southernhorizons

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Taxation without Representation
« on: November 07, 2012, 08:46:34 am »
Looking at the state by state maps of the "election" results clearly shows that there is Taxation without Representation in this country. For example, the map of Virginia is predominately Red, with a few Blue counties. Yet Obama got the electoral votes from Virginia, meaning that the much larger portion of the state has no representation. The same thing happened in the Senate race in that state. This is only one example, several other states were similar. How is the process fair when a few counties get all the say over the whole state? With the current situation in this country, a few herds of mindless sheeple in the big cities,following the feed buckets of their masters into bondage, control the destinies of the whole country. The founding fathers must be turning over in their graves!

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 08:52:36 am »
I hate to break this to you, but the founding fathers actually established the electoral college in the Constitution as a compromise between electing a President by vote of Congress and electing one solely by popular vote of "qualified citizens" which meant no women or minorities back when it was drafted.  So no, they wouldn't be at all shocked. 

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 09:36:55 am »
The founding fathers would definitely be shocked at the kind of politicians that get "elected." They would be shocked at how a minority of people can rig the elections to put communists and socialists in power.

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 09:45:59 am »
Given that they lived in the 1700s, they would no doubt be shocked that there was a black president since many of the founding fathers owned slaves and even fathered children out of wedlock with them as in the case of Thomas Jefferson.  However, it's now 2012 and our democracy has evolved along with our society.

Since socialism and communism hadn't yet emerged as economic and political models in the 1700s, I doubt that the founding fathers would even grasp the concept.  Besides, a Democrat won the election.  ::)

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2012, 09:49:15 am »
It is also shown if you watched CNN that reason why OBAMA won in those states is because the heavy populated areas bring in the most votes for him. There is a lot of states who still have small towns with not many people there. This is an example of what I mean by people not doing research and learning whats really going on and instead they just spew hatred comments.

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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2012, 09:49:53 am »
Voter fraud has been investigated over and over and continually is found to be almost non-existent.  Take your lumps and move on.  I would suggest changing your parties strategy, because clearly it hasn't worked too well this election cycle.

The founding fathers would definitely be shocked at the kind of politicians that get "elected." They would be shocked at how a minority of people can rig the elections to put communists and socialists in power.

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 09:59:32 am »
It is also shown if you watched CNN that reason why OBAMA won in those states is because the heavy populated areas bring in the most votes for him. There is a lot of states who still have small towns with not many people there. This is an example of what I mean by people not doing research and learning whats really going on and instead they just spew hatred comments.

That's basically how the electoral college works and is why many people such as yourself have an issue with it.  I didn't need to watch CNN or do "research" to figure this out.  It was covered in civics class back when I was in high school.  Sorry if you feel factual comments and historical facts are "hatred comments".  American history is what it is.


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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 10:03:43 am »
The very people who re-elected Obama are the ones who are blinded by the light of the great mesia!!  They therefore cannot research to find out the truth because even if the truth is place right in front of them they can't see it!  He's gonna be leading all his little sheep to slaughter before the next 4 years is over with.

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 10:11:28 am »
Please tell me how any of Rmoney's policies would have differed from Bush's policies?  Then tell me how this country looked at the end of Bush's term and tell me how you think it would have been any different if Romney would have won?

The very people who re-elected Obama are the ones who are blinded by the light of the great mesia!!  They therefore cannot research to find out the truth because even if the truth is place right in front of them they can't see it!  He's gonna be leading all his little sheep to slaughter before the next 4 years is over with.

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 10:27:47 am »
It is also shown if you watched CNN that reason why OBAMA won in those states is because the heavy populated areas bring in the most votes for him. There is a lot of states who still have small towns with not many people there. This is an example of what I mean by people not doing research and learning whats really going on and instead they just spew hatred comments.

That's basically how the electoral college works and is why many people such as yourself have an issue with it.  I didn't need to watch CNN or do "research" to figure this out.  It was covered in civics class back when I was in high school.  Sorry if you feel factual comments and historical facts are "hatred comments".  American history is what it is.


You seem to think I was speaking directly to you.

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 01:16:03 pm »
OBAMA was re-elected because of obama care and that means more taxes. Jobs are going to be lost because of those taxes. Unemployment will rise and OBAMA isn't going to do anything about it because he is a communist  :(

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2012, 02:03:10 pm »
OBAMA was re-elected because of obama care and that means more taxes. Jobs are going to be lost because of those taxes. Unemployment will rise and OBAMA isn't going to do anything about it because he is a communist  :(

If you can incorrectly 'name-call' Obama a "communist", can others correctly identify you as an ignorant religious redneck?
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2012, 03:10:48 pm »
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Unemployment will rise and OBAMA isn't going to do anything about it because he is a communist 

You obviously have no clue of what a communist is or what Obama is doing about unemployment.

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2012, 08:15:34 am »
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Unemployment will rise and OBAMA isn't going to do anything about it because he is a communist 

You obviously have no clue of what a communist is or what Obama is doing about unemployment.
I know exactly what a Communist is, and Obama is one. A few of his plans that he promoted during his first campaign, and/ or during his second:
Citizen army
redistribution of wealth
youth corps
gun control
giving the federal governemnt control over all resources during and "emergency"
I have studied a lot of Communist take-overs of various countries, and they all did these same things (not to mention these things were expounded by Karl Marx himself).  Plus he plainly said he was going to be a dictator, by ruling by executive order instead of the constitutional way of going through Congress.

As far as unemployment, already a lot of businesses have said they will cut jobs when the full Obamacare kicks in. and a lot more will change all their employees into part timeers with no benefits, to avoind the high insurance costs.

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Re: Taxation without Representation
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2012, 08:20:33 am »
Voter fraud has been investigated over and over and continually is found to be almost non-existent.  Take your lumps and move on.  I would suggest changing your parties strategy, because clearly it hasn't worked too well this election cycle.

The founding fathers would definitely be shocked at the kind of politicians that get "elected." They would be shocked at how a minority of people can rig the elections to put communists and socialists in power.
For one thing, I don't have a party, for another thing, who was doing the "investigating?" The elections are obviously rigged when the government imports hundreds of thousands of people into a state (Virginia), who then have all the say in who gets elected, rather than the vast majority of the rest of the state. I'm talking about the Senate election especially. (the two counties closest to D.C. account for 60 percent of the vote). Why should a couple of counties dictate who "represents" the whole state? Same thing here in upstate NY. We pretty much have no say, and all our politics are dictated by NYC.

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