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[afairclough]

Where will you spend your eternity?

[heroftimes]

decomposing in the earth, just like everyone else.

Where will you spend your eternity?

[jcribb16]

While my outer body will decompose in the earth, my soul will spend eternity in Heaven with my Lord.

[falcon9]

While my outer body will decompose in the earth, my soul will spend eternity in Heaven with my Lord.

That's an unfounded religious belief which lacks any evidence whatsoever, (which makes it a self-deception).  It's unfounded because is rests upon religious "faith", which is itself, unfounded, (lacks supporting evidence of what such "faith" is in).  Such a "faith" is blind due to that lack of substantiation and blindness is a leading cause of stumbling around in the darkness.

[jcribb16]

While my outer body will decompose in the earth, my soul will spend eternity in Heaven with my Lord.

That's an unfounded religious belief which lacks any evidence whatsoever, (which makes it a self-deception).  It's unfounded because is rests upon religious "faith", which is itself, unfounded, (lacks supporting evidence of what such "faith" is in).  Such a "faith" is blind due to that lack of substantiation and blindness is a leading cause of stumbling around in the darkness.

Yes, I know that's what it seems to dis-believers. 

[falcon9]

While my outer body will decompose in the earth, my soul will spend eternity in Heaven with my Lord.

That's an unfounded religious belief which lacks any evidence whatsoever, (which makes it a self-deception).  It's unfounded because is rests upon religious "faith", which is itself, unfounded, (lacks supporting evidence of what such "faith" is in).  Such a "faith" is blind due to that lack of substantiation and blindness is a leading cause of stumbling around in the darkness.

Yes, I know that's what it seems to dis-believers. 

No, it is that way to rational thinking and logical reasoning however, doubtless it is fine by irrationality and illogical non-reasoning.

[jcribb16]

While my outer body will decompose in the earth, my soul will spend eternity in Heaven with my Lord.

That's an unfounded religious belief which lacks any evidence whatsoever, (which makes it a self-deception).  It's unfounded because is rests upon religious "faith", which is itself, unfounded, (lacks supporting evidence of what such "faith" is in).  Such a "faith" is blind due to that lack of substantiation and blindness is a leading cause of stumbling around in the darkness.

Yes, I know that's what it seems to dis-believers. 

No, it is that way to rational thinking and logical reasoning however, doubtless it is fine by irrationality and illogical non-reasoning.

It's to each person's personal preference and choice how they come to their decisions. 

[falcon9]

It's to each person's personal preference and choice how they come to their decisions. 

It sure is.  Some will arrive at their decisions using irrational processes to arrive at unreasonable decisions, (religious adherents), while others will choose to be more rational and use logical reasoning to arrive at reasonable decisions. 

So, if someone is hungry and decides upon methods to obtain food; this is a rational decision-making process which is beneficial to the hungry person.  On the other hand, if someone else is hungry and they 'decide' to perform some magical intercessory ritual while rolling down a grassy hill into a pond; that's not a rational decision-making process.  Choice is one thing; nutbag is another.

[jcribb16]

It's to each person's personal preference and choice how they come to their decisions. 

It sure is.  Some will arrive at their decisions using irrational processes to arrive at unreasonable decisions, (religious adherents), while others will choose to be more rational and use logical reasoning to arrive at reasonable decisions. 

So, if someone is hungry and decides upon methods to obtain food; this is a rational decision-making process which is beneficial to the hungry person.  On the other hand, if someone else is hungry and they 'decide' to perform some magical intercessory ritual while rolling down a grassy hill into a pond; that's not a rational decision-making process.  Choice is one thing; nutbag is another.

Don't forget there will also be those hungry few, who refuse to work for their food, and will steal food, steal money, or whatever it takes to feed themselves.  That's certainly not a rational thing to do and is not magical intercessory rituals either!

[falcon9]

Don't forget there will also be those hungry few, who refuse to work for their food, and will steal food, steal money, or whatever it takes to feed themselves.  That's certainly not a rational thing to do and is not magical intercessory rituals either!

Some people will toss whatever amount of rationality they had out the door once they're hungry enough.  Religions count on this trait.

[jcribb16]

Don't forget there will also be those hungry few, who refuse to work for their food, and will steal food, steal money, or whatever it takes to feed themselves.  That's certainly not a rational thing to do and is not magical intercessory rituals either!

Some people will toss whatever amount of rationality they had out the door once they're hungry enough.  Religions count on this trait.

Maybe some religions do, but I don't, and my religious faith, or sect, doesn't either.  Thank goodness there are many churches out there who have benevolent funds, food pantries, clothes, etc., in which to offer help to those who need it and/or ask for it.

[falcon9]

Don't forget there will also be those hungry few, who refuse to work for their food, and will steal food, steal money, or whatever it takes to feed themselves.  That's certainly not a rational thing to do and is not magical intercessory rituals either!

Some people will toss whatever amount of rationality they had out the door once they're hungry enough.  Religions count on this trait.

Maybe some religions do, but I don't, and my religious faith, or sect, doesn't either.  Thank goodness there are many churches out there who have benevolent funds, food pantries, clothes, etc., in which to offer help to those who need it and/or ask for it.

That's precisely what I meant about some religions counting on it so that they can feed and proselytize at the same time.  How much food would a starving 'satanist' get if they refused the religious propaganda portion of the xtian "benevolence" and thanked the xtians in the name of "satan"?

[jcribb16]

Don't forget there will also be those hungry few, who refuse to work for their food, and will steal food, steal money, or whatever it takes to feed themselves.  That's certainly not a rational thing to do and is not magical intercessory rituals either!

Some people will toss whatever amount of rationality they had out the door once they're hungry enough.  Religions count on this trait.

Maybe some religions do, but I don't, and my religious faith, or sect, doesn't either.  Thank goodness there are many churches out there who have benevolent funds, food pantries, clothes, etc., in which to offer help to those who need it and/or ask for it.

That's precisely what I meant about some religions counting on it so that they can feed and proselytize at the same time.  How much food would a starving 'satanist' get if they refused the religious propaganda portion of the xtian "benevolence" and thanked the xtians in the name of "satan"?

All I can really say to that is that as long as a needy person is being given what he/she needs, that is the most important thing taking place.  Most churches with those type of programs don't proselytize when giving or offering to needy people.  They just do it, and if anyone is crying, depressed, or scared, then they are asked how can they help them. 

Many will provide shelter or a place to go for shelter or protection.  If someone asks for prayer, then yes, they will be prayed over.  All the people representing the church are trying to do is share their compassion and whatever the people need, at that moment in their lives, to help them through a rough spot, so they can continue on their way. 

It doesn't matter, either, what color, gender, lifestyle, religion/no religion, anyone is who needs help - they will receive the help they need.  Now, realize, I'm speaking of most churches who provide these type of things.  Some churches don't do any of that, and I am sure there are some who will definitely push their "salvation plan" on them - I can't speak for all.  But most of the ones I know of, or have worked with, or have seen, honestly show compassion and care for the needy when they need it, with no questions asked, nor any thing pushed on them.

[falcon9]

Most churches with those type of programs don't proselytize when giving or offering to needy people. 

That contention is not reflected by evidentiary data to the contrary.

I am sure there are some who will definitely push their "salvation plan" on them - I can't speak for all. 

"Some", in that context, is like calling the subtropical storm "Sandy" a little gust.  Both are vast understatements.

[Falconer02]

Where will you spend your eternity?

I wouldn't know since no human has had such an experience. Saying one does know w/o any proofs at all is laughably arrogant. But if you want me to speculate...I'd say...Valhalla? That'd be awesome!