power of prayer

[premar16]

i do not believe in higher power but I do believe that human beings have more power than they think they.So if you believe that praying will heal someone or get you through a hard time.Then the power within you and your believe makes it possible for it happen .

[crazib]

  IM A FIRM FIRM FIRM BELIEVER IN THE POWER OF PRAYER MORE PEOPLE NEED TO BE

[Flackle]

I stand by Creationism with God as the Intelligent Designer.  There had to have been a cause for the Creation and there are too many varieties of things, that had to have a mastermind behind that.  One most basic of organism expanding outward into all other different types of things without a designer doesn't get my support, personally.

Just because something exist doesn't mean there is a creator. For us to assume a creator exist we have to have evidence to support that claim. The fact that something is complex, by itself, doesn't qualify as evidence that a all powerful being exist. There's no logical deduction involved in that argument. It basically boils down to:

The world appears complex.
Therefore an all power deity not only exist, but is the same deity described by this 2000 year old book that men claim came from god and no other possible explanation is right and my explanation is the right one only because I say so.

The jump from complexity to god is already a big one, but to then go beyond that and say that it has to be your god is just ridiculous This is also ignoring the obviously fallacy of your logic. Evolution isn't an idea based on complexity, it is an idea that is meant to explain complexity. We didn't come up with the theory by saying: Complexity, therefore evolution. Instead the argument is: Evolution, therefore complexity.

The idea of evolution came from the observations of things around us (much like your creationist conjecture) but the theory came from logical deductions based on evidence. We have biological evidence (such as DNA) that shows evolution happens, we have evidence of of natural selection (thanks to fossils and of the like) which shows that macro evolution happens, we have categorized the many species of this planet and organized them to show that evolution is a good explication for this complexity, and even after all of this we don't assume evolution is absolute truth since all theories are not set in stone. There's plenty of evidence out there, so much so that there are entire careers of thousands of scientist based on its study alone.

Think what you wish.  I know what I believe, have learned, and know - and will think what I wish.

Good to know you're giving up actually defending your belief in the face of evidence and logical reasoning. To do otherwise would be a waste of effort.

I stand by Creationism with God as the Intelligent Designer.

Creationism has already been disproven multiple times by others and I on this forum with multitudes of evidence readily available. I'm aware you like to stick with narrow/cherry-picked creationist sources, so you can believe whatever you wish to believe. Just let it be known that reality says otherwise on what the facts are.  

It has not been disproven, no matter how many multiple times you and others have attempted to do so.  Call it "narrow/cherry-picked" or whatever you want to call it.  Evolution has not completely been proven either - as is still a theory.  Just let it be known, too, that reality will completely shock some people when the end of time as we know it, comes.  Think what you wish - I'm sticking with mine, thank you.

Also, it may be a good idea to include the names of the people you are quoting.  Some people never notice when you respond, because their name isn't included at the top part of it.

If you even attempted to read and understand my post you would have realized this argument I underlined is invalid. Theories are the highest order in the scientific method by which we categorized truths. You're stuck in the ideology that all things can be known, when science makes it clear that nothing can be truly known. All things have the possibility of being disprove. I can see why this idea can be confusing to you, when you're so use to everything in question being the work of god and therefore no longer unknown.

I would even go so far as to state the scientific method isn't an end-all when it comes to describing reality. It's simply the method that has produced the best results so far.

F9 kicked the bucket and  was reincarnated  as Flackle. That would be some come uppance

If this was so, then I suppose they had the magical powers to be reincarnated before dying.

[jcribb16]

I stand by Creationism with God as the Intelligent Designer.  There had to have been a cause for the Creation and there are too many varieties of things, that had to have a mastermind behind that.  One most basic of organism expanding outward into all other different types of things without a designer doesn't get my support, personally.

Just because something exist doesn't mean there is a creator. For us to assume a creator exist we have to have evidence to support that claim. The fact that something is complex, by itself, doesn't qualify as evidence that a all powerful being exist. There's no logical deduction involved in that argument. It basically boils down to:

The world appears complex.
Therefore an all power deity not only exist, but is the same deity described by this 2000 year old book that men claim came from god and no other possible explanation is right and my explanation is the right one only because I say so.

The jump from complexity to god is already a big one, but to then go beyond that and say that it has to be your god is just ridiculous This is also ignoring the obviously fallacy of your logic. Evolution isn't an idea based on complexity, it is an idea that is meant to explain complexity. We didn't come up with the theory by saying: Complexity, therefore evolution. Instead the argument is: Evolution, therefore complexity.

The idea of evolution came from the observations of things around us (much like your creationist conjecture) but the theory came from logical deductions based on evidence. We have biological evidence (such as DNA) that shows evolution happens, we have evidence of of natural selection (thanks to fossils and of the like) which shows that macro evolution happens, we have categorized the many species of this planet and organized them to show that evolution is a good explication for this complexity, and even after all of this we don't assume evolution is absolute truth since all theories are not set in stone. There's plenty of evidence out there, so much so that there are entire careers of thousands of scientist based on its study alone.

Think what you wish.  I know what I believe, have learned, and know - and will think what I wish.

Good to know you're giving up actually defending your belief in the face of evidence and logical reasoning. To do otherwise would be a waste of effort.

I stand by Creationism with God as the Intelligent Designer.

Creationism has already been disproven multiple times by others and I on this forum with multitudes of evidence readily available. I'm aware you like to stick with narrow/cherry-picked creationist sources, so you can believe whatever you wish to believe. Just let it be known that reality says otherwise on what the facts are.  

It has not been disproven, no matter how many multiple times you and others have attempted to do so.  Call it "narrow/cherry-picked" or whatever you want to call it.  Evolution has not completely been proven either - as is still a theory.  Just let it be known, too, that reality will completely shock some people when the end of time as we know it, comes.  Think what you wish - I'm sticking with mine, thank you.

Also, it may be a good idea to include the names of the people you are quoting.  Some people never notice when you respond, because their name isn't included at the top part of it.

If you even attempted to read and understand my post you would have realized this argument I underlined is invalid. Theories are the highest order in the scientific method by which we categorized truths. You're stuck in the ideology that all things can be known, when science makes it clear that nothing can be truly known. All things have the possibility of being disprove. I can see why this idea can be confusing to you, when you're so use to everything in question being the work of god and therefore no longer unknown.

I would even go so far as to state the scientific method isn't an end-all when it comes to describing reality. It's simply the method that has produced the best results so far.

F9 kicked the bucket and  was reincarnated  as Flackle. That would be some come uppance

If this was so, then I suppose they had the magical powers to be reincarnated before dying.

I'm not giving up.  Nothing I or anyone else says is accepted by you or a couple of others.  And that's perfectly fine.  I know where I stand and what I believe.  I am not wasting precious time to continue to go in circles with the same old, same old, with the same people.  It gets monotonous and eventually too heated.  I know where you stand, and you know where I stand.  Neither of us will be moved.  Have a nice evening.

[jcribb16]

It has not been disproven, no matter how many multiple times you and others have attempted to do so.

Neither has Santa Clause. Nobody can disprove a myth, but when you speak about it on realistic grounds, it can be cast aside due to the absurdities (that is if the debate is based upon reasonable criteria). Creationists value those absurdities and preach them to be truth, but the 'facts' fail to hold up and thus have been disproven through basic evidences of the contrary. The Santa Clause example is the exact same logical pathway you're using to defend creationism and push reality to the side. Proof-

Think what you wish.  I know what I believe, have learned, and know - and will think what I wish.

 Evolution has not completely been proven either - as is still a theory.

Just like gravity. Granted tomorrow we could find out that invisible aliens control the course of evolution and hide their tracings, the fact is that it exists and it has been observed countless times. Millions of scientists -all of which are rigidly trying to disprove scientific theories in order to explore and open different realms of science- agree that evolution occurs and have dramatically refined the science in the last century. Creationism lacks that foundation (primarily a refusal to change despite the mythological claims) and therefore cannot be placed on the same level as evolution. Mythology (creationism or ID specifically) is not biological/physical science, and also is not a theory because there is 0 testable data for it's existence.

Just let it be known, too, that reality will completely shock some people when the end of time as we know it, comes.  Think what you wish - I'm sticking with mine, thank you.

"Just let it be known, too, that reality will completely shock some people when Santa Clause drops down your chimney and gives you coal. Think what you wish - I'm sticking with mine, thank you."

Being facetious gets you nowhere.  That's one reason it's ridiculous trying to discuss this.  We have been around and around, again and again, and the fact is we are both firm in our choices.  I do not care one iota what you think of my choice of believing in Creation by God, including any mocking and facetiousness you may enjoy doing.  It's my choice, and my choice is not interfering in your choice, and vice versa.  Have a great evening.

[lynnc35]

that is how it will be when it is your time...POOF in an instant, no time to change your mind then.

[lguzman1]

 YES, pray to God is amazing and everything is possible if you can believe! 

[Flackle]

I'm not giving up.  Nothing I or anyone else says is accepted by you or a couple of others.  And that's perfectly fine.  I know where I stand and what I believe.  I am not wasting precious time to continue to go in circles with the same old, same old, with the same people.  It gets monotonous and eventually too heated.  I know where you stand, and you know where I stand.  Neither of us will be moved.  Have a nice evening.

If you wish not to discuss this further that's fine. I will continue to point out the fallacies in your future post, however.

YES, pray to God is amazing and everything is possible if you can believe! 

But only if god feels like it, right?

[almorin]

Prayer gives me comfort where nothing else seems to work.  For me there is no doubt in my mind that God does exist.  And, I will take comfort where ever it can be found.      

[Falconer02]

eing facetious gets you nowhere.  That's one reason it's ridiculous trying to discuss this.  We have been around and around, again and again, and the fact is we are both firm in our choices.  I do not care one iota what you think of my choice of believing in Creation by God, including any mocking and facetiousness you may enjoy doing.  It's my choice, and my choice is not interfering in your choice, and vice versa.  Have a great evening.

Facetious? The parallel is legitimate and is simply there to demonstrate the absurdity of your claims (remember- according to your beliefs, you can see into the future through an ancient book). However it is your choice to believe what you want to believe no matter how irrational it is. But as Flackle has already stated- I will continue to point out the fallacies in your future posts. Have a good one!

[Flackle]

Prayer gives me comfort where nothing else seems to work.  For me there is no doubt in my mind that God does exist.  And, I will take comfort where ever it can be found.      

I take comfort in knowing that my life isn't predetermined by an arrogant super-daddy in the form of a supreme being that refuses to truly show him or herself and instead presents his or her ideology through a 2000 year old book written by possibly mentally deranged followers that suggested slavery is morally correct and its ok to sacrifice animals.