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« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2012, 05:59:12 pm »

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« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2012, 06:14:41 pm »


"Atheism" isn't a religion, nor a religious belief system. "Atheism is not a religion, an ideology, a world view, or anything like that. If this seems wrong, consider the fact that theism is also not a belief system, religion, ideology, world view, or anything like that. Theism and atheism are single data points or positions: theism is the presence of a belief in the existence of at least one god of some sort, atheism is the absence of any sort of belief.
 
While theism is not a belief system, many belief systems are theistic in that they contain or rely upon theism. Christianity is a theistic belief system (specifically, a theistic religion). Many new age belief systems are also theistic. A political party founded on Christianity would probably qualify as a theistic ideology.
 
All the same is true about atheism: while atheism itself is not a belief system, there are many belief systems which are atheistic. Objectivism and Humanism are atheistic philosophies. There are also atheistic religions: Religious Humanism, Raelians, Ethical Culture, some forms of Buddhism, etc.
 
When you described atheism as a belief system, you made a common error but it is an error nonetheless. If you want to talk about logic, there's a simple observation that might make it clear for you.

If "atheism" is a "belief system," then you should be able to point to the single belief system that is shared by all Objectivists, communists, liberals, conservatives, Buddhists, Raelians, anarchists, Religious Humanists, Secular Humanists, Jews, and libertarians who are atheists. What is that belief system? What are it's various premises, positions, doctrines, propositions, etc.?"
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« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2012, 06:23:10 pm »

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« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2012, 06:28:30 pm »


That's not how burden of proof works; the religious adherents who claim such an entity exists have the burden of proof obligation to substantiate their specious claims, not those who challenge them to substantiate religious claims, (proving something doesn't exist is largely a logical fallacy, with the exception of making that an initial claim).  Naturally, the religious adherents spamming with these empty religious assertions has no intention of backing them up, (just in making such empty proclamations), nor, of providing substantive evidence for them.
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« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2012, 06:32:26 pm »


"Atheism" isn't a religion, nor a religious belief system. "Atheism is not a religion, an ideology, a world view, or anything like that. If this seems wrong, consider the fact that theism is also not a belief system, religion, ideology, world view, or anything like that. Theism and atheism are single data points or positions: theism is the presence of a belief in the existence of at least one god of some sort, atheism is the absence of any sort of belief.
 
While theism is not a belief system, many belief systems are theistic in that they contain or rely upon theism. Christianity is a theistic belief system (specifically, a theistic religion). Many new age belief systems are also theistic. A political party founded on Christianity would probably qualify as a theistic ideology.
 
All the same is true about atheism: while atheism itself is not a belief system, there are many belief systems which are atheistic. Objectivism and Humanism are atheistic philosophies. There are also atheistic religions: Religious Humanism, Raelians, Ethical Culture, some forms of Buddhism, etc.
 
When you described atheism as a belief system, you made a common error but it is an error nonetheless. If you want to talk about logic, there's a simple observation that might make it clear for you.

If "atheism" is a "belief system," then you should be able to point to the single belief system that is shared by all Objectivists, communists, liberals, conservatives, Buddhists, Raelians, anarchists, Religious Humanists, Secular Humanists, Jews, and libertarians who are atheists. What is that belief system? What are it's various premises, positions, doctrines, propositions, etc.?"

Where is the link you got this from?
  
I personally believe many get hung up on "atheism" being a "belief system" of sorts, mainly because the stronger and/or militant atheists have a common goal: to get rid of Christianity.  Because of that goal, there is much effort put into achieving that goal, which, to some, indicates a belief system of sorts, because of the perseverance and dedication to that "goal," kind of like Christians persevere and are dedicated to Christ. I'm not saying it's a belief system - just giving a reason why many do.  

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Re: Subforum suggestion
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2012, 06:35:34 pm »


"Atheism" isn't a religion, nor a religious belief system. "Atheism is not a religion, an ideology, a world view, or anything like that. If this seems wrong, consider the fact that theism is also not a belief system, religion, ideology, world view, or anything like that. Theism and atheism are single data points or positions: theism is the presence of a belief in the existence of at least one god of some sort, atheism is the absence of any sort of belief.
 
While theism is not a belief system, many belief systems are theistic in that they contain or rely upon theism. Christianity is a theistic belief system (specifically, a theistic religion). Many new age belief systems are also theistic. A political party founded on Christianity would probably qualify as a theistic ideology.
 
All the same is true about atheism: while atheism itself is not a belief system, there are many belief systems which are atheistic. Objectivism and Humanism are atheistic philosophies. There are also atheistic religions: Religious Humanism, Raelians, Ethical Culture, some forms of Buddhism, etc.
 
When you described atheism as a belief system, you made a common error but it is an error nonetheless. If you want to talk about logic, there's a simple observation that might make it clear for you.

If "atheism" is a "belief system," then you should be able to point to the single belief system that is shared by all Objectivists, communists, liberals, conservatives, Buddhists, Raelians, anarchists, Religious Humanists, Secular Humanists, Jews, and libertarians who are atheists. What is that belief system? What are it's various premises, positions, doctrines, propositions, etc.?"

Where is the link you got this from?
  
I personally believe many get hung up on "atheism" being a "belief system" of sorts, mainly because the stronger and/or militant atheists have a common goal: to get rid of Christianity.  Because of that goal, there is much effort put into achieving that goal, which, to some, indicates a belief system of sorts, because of the perseverance and dedication to that "goal," kind of like Christians persevere and are dedicated to Christ. I'm not saying it's a belief system - just giving a reason why many do.  

Here is the link....
http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2010/07/atheism-is-religion.html

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« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2012, 06:43:13 pm »


"Atheism" isn't a religion, nor a religious belief system. "Atheism is not a religion, an ideology, a world view, or anything like that. If this seems wrong, consider the fact that theism is also not a belief system, religion, ideology, world view, or anything like that. Theism and atheism are single data points or positions: theism is the presence of a belief in the existence of at least one god of some sort, atheism is the absence of any sort of belief.
 
While theism is not a belief system, many belief systems are theistic in that they contain or rely upon theism. Christianity is a theistic belief system (specifically, a theistic religion). Many new age belief systems are also theistic. A political party founded on Christianity would probably qualify as a theistic ideology.
 
All the same is true about atheism: while atheism itself is not a belief system, there are many belief systems which are atheistic. Objectivism and Humanism are atheistic philosophies. There are also atheistic religions: Religious Humanism, Raelians, Ethical Culture, some forms of Buddhism, etc.
 
When you described atheism as a belief system, you made a common error but it is an error nonetheless. If you want to talk about logic, there's a simple observation that might make it clear for you.

If "atheism" is a "belief system," then you should be able to point to the single belief system that is shared by all Objectivists, communists, liberals, conservatives, Buddhists, Raelians, anarchists, Religious Humanists, Secular Humanists, Jews, and libertarians who are atheists. What is that belief system? What are it's various premises, positions, doctrines, propositions, etc.?"

Where is the link you got this from?
  
I personally believe many get hung up on "atheism" being a "belief system" of sorts, mainly because the stronger and/or militant atheists have a common goal: to get rid of Christianity.  Because of that goal, there is much effort put into achieving that goal, which, to some, indicates a belief system of sorts, because of the perseverance and dedication to that "goal," kind of like Christians persevere and are dedicated to Christ. I'm not saying it's a belief system - just giving a reason why many do.  

Here is the link....
http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2010/07/atheism-is-religion.html
Thanks for the link - many great points and relevancy made there.  I was also wanting falcon9 to provide his link - he's always adamant that everyone provides links to give the correct credit where credit is due.  I wanted to look more into that. 

Thanks for yours, too.  While there are many who disagree that it's a religion, there are still some good points offered in this blog.   :)

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Re: Subforum suggestion
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2012, 06:55:27 pm »


"Atheism" isn't a religion, nor a religious belief system. "Atheism is not a religion, an ideology, a world view, or anything like that. If this seems wrong, consider the fact that theism is also not a belief system, religion, ideology, world view, or anything like that. Theism and atheism are single data points or positions: theism is the presence of a belief in the existence of at least one god of some sort, atheism is the absence of any sort of belief.
 
While theism is not a belief system, many belief systems are theistic in that they contain or rely upon theism. Christianity is a theistic belief system (specifically, a theistic religion). Many new age belief systems are also theistic. A political party founded on Christianity would probably qualify as a theistic ideology.
 
All the same is true about atheism: while atheism itself is not a belief system, there are many belief systems which are atheistic. Objectivism and Humanism are atheistic philosophies. There are also atheistic religions: Religious Humanism, Raelians, Ethical Culture, some forms of Buddhism, etc.
 
When you described atheism as a belief system, you made a common error but it is an error nonetheless. If you want to talk about logic, there's a simple observation that might make it clear for you.

If "atheism" is a "belief system," then you should be able to point to the single belief system that is shared by all Objectivists, communists, liberals, conservatives, Buddhists, Raelians, anarchists, Religious Humanists, Secular Humanists, Jews, and libertarians who are atheists. What is that belief system? What are it's various premises, positions, doctrines, propositions, etc.?"

Where is the link you got this from?
  
I personally believe many get hung up on "atheism" being a "belief system" of sorts, mainly because the stronger and/or militant atheists have a common goal: to get rid of Christianity.  Because of that goal, there is much effort put into achieving that goal, which, to some, indicates a belief system of sorts, because of the perseverance and dedication to that "goal," kind of like Christians persevere and are dedicated to Christ. I'm not saying it's a belief system - just giving a reason why many do.  

Here is the link....
http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2010/07/atheism-is-religion.html
Thanks for the link - many great points and relevancy made there.  I was also wanting falcon9 to provide his link - he's always adamant that everyone provides links to give the correct credit where credit is due.  I wanted to look more into that. 

Thanks for yours, too.  While there are many who disagree that it's a religion, there are still some good points offered in this blog.   :)

You're welcome. :)

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« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2012, 06:58:41 pm »
While there are many who disagree that it's a religion, there are still some good points offered in this blog.   :)

None of that specious nonsense which avoids logical reasoning indicates that atheism is a religion.  It remains the inherently biased religious opinion of a religious adherent and eschews reasoning, attempting to replace it with 'you can't prove something doesn't exist' arguments.
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« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2012, 07:10:37 pm »


Actually, all the "it's", a contraction for "it is", should be "its", a possessive form.  It's hard to make a snappy comeback with misspellings and bad grammar.

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« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2012, 07:15:36 pm »

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« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2012, 07:16:29 pm »


Actually, all the "it's", a contraction for "it is", should be "its", a possessive form.  It's hard to make a snappy comeback with misspellings and bad grammar.

That's alright, I don't have high expectations of those blinded by religious faith, (noting that the xtian zealots are once again trying to confuse 'not-theism' with being a "religion", in and of itself).
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« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2012, 07:17:47 pm »


The 'bumpersticker' posted is false; rational thinking and logical reasoning are methods to dispel ignorance, not embrace it like religious belief systems do.
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« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2012, 07:20:13 pm »

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« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2012, 07:21:42 pm »
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You're trolling and it isn't subtle, xtian troll.
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