Cowards

[falcon9]

It's none of your concern, especially when you use such words as "irrational," "false assertions," and much more.

It becomes anyone else's "concern" once private beliefs flood a publically-accessible venue, should they choose to become concerned enough to oppose specious religious superstitions. 

Who in the world do you think you are, sir?

Simply a rational person who is dissenting against irrational religious superstitions.  Not coincidentally, you're apparently a religious adherent who clings to such superstitions with blind faith in lieu of reason.  This would seem obvious enough to require little explanation, (mainly because the explanation for blind religious faith is generally desparate fear). 

You are certainly not going to change what I believe ...

That's what puts the "blind" in blind faith alright.

[jcribb16]

I've had no problem with what falcon is saying, He's simply trying to make you xtians see how illogical and indefensible your, or any religion, is.  You have no facts that support what you believe in.  

Says you.  I'm sorry you refuse to see how believing in God is logical for believers.  

There is no logic in holding an irrational belief based upon blind faith alone, sans evidence.

Any evidence provided by believers is refused ...

Invalid "evidence", (such as "biblical hearsay" or, unsuported belief), does not constitute evidence. Again, no valid evidence has been presented to support religious beliefs, (apparently because "faith" is a belief specifically without supporting evidence).

...I'm stupid, the point is that I'm free to make my own choice, too, and do not have to explain myself over and over, and do not have to accept your trying to make me appear illogical, insane, or even irrational, for believing in God.  

IN RED:  I HAVE ASKED YOU TO NOT ONLY QUOTE A PORTION OF MY QUOTES, WHICH TAKES THEM OUT OF CONTEXT OF WHAT I MEANT IN MY QUOTE.  YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I AM CALLING MYSELF STUPID, AND YOU TWIST IT AROUND TO YOUR MEANING TO TRY AND MAKE ME SEEM THAT WAY.

KOHLER, I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED HIM TO QUOTE MY QUOTES IN THEIR ENTIRETY AND HE REFUSES.  I QUOTE HIM IN HIS ENTIRE QUOTES AND IT IS ONLY FAIR AND RESPECTABLE OF HIM TO DO THE SAME.  I ALSO TOLD HIM IF HE DID IT AGAIN I WOULD TELL YOU.  THANK YOU.

No one makes religious adherents appear as such moreso than the archived, (and current), posts of the religious adherents themselves.

And again - so what?  It's not your business to tell them what you think they should do, just because you think it's illogical.  They aren't hurting anyone and their lives don't interfere in yours.  Just as yours should not interfere in ours.

[jcribb16]

No matter how many times you keep trying to infer that Christians, as a whole, are connected to the Crusades, witch burnings, etc., you are showing your misunderstanding and intolerance again and again to those believers ...

It was xtians who participated in all three crusades against non-xtians and were responsible for so many deaths.  It was xtians who prosecuted the Inquistions and witch hunts which resulted in the torture and deaths of xtians and non-xtians alike.  It was the exact same xtian religious beliefs which were the underlying basis of those atrocities and are being "shared", (your word for it), today.  Undoubtedly, xtians today would prefer that the same religious belief system as those previous xtians held blindly to not be associated in any way with the exact same religion.  This is however, an irrational preference because the religious belief system is not essentially different in any significant ways.

Your inability to understand the ramifications of those events of the past, including those who participated in those horrors ...

On the contrary, I do understand the ramifications of those xtian atrocities and your desire to dissassociate yourself from those who held the exact same religious belief system.  It's called xtian hypocrisy and faith blindness.

No, it is not called hypocrisy and faith blindness.  You cannot see through the loathing to see the differences.  You choose to not see through, and you choose to blame all Christians for those who used God's name to achieve their power control and playing God themselves.  They will be punished for their actions.  You need to clean the scales from your own eyes.

[falcon9]

I feel sorry for your cold intolerance towards believers for something they just want to express with others who enjoy conversing (I'm speaking of Off Topic Bible verse threads, inspirational threads, or uplifting quotes.) 

Sometimes I pity those whose blind religious faith is so self-deluding that they cannot *see* that it is blinding.  It blinds them to reason, to questioning assumptions and to the very "tolerance" which they want from others being withheld from 'non-believers'.  It blinds them to the inherently offensive nature of religious proselytizing with "verses" and faith-based platitudes, (including those stolen from other belief systems).  It blinds them to the documented facts of the crusades, inquistions, witch hunts and other xtian-instigated atrocities having the same foundational religious beliefs as they hold.  It's ironic when the faith-blinded speak hypocritcally of "enlightenment" when none are so blind as the self-blinded ones of faith.

So?  If someone wants to "blind faith accept Christ" then it's none of your business what they choose.   

So, such religious self-delusions aren't nominally the concern of others unless they leave the confines of the fait-blinded ones' minds and begin running around starting such religiously-based pograms as inquistions, witch hunts and crusades, (nothing but opposition to the basis of such atrocities prevents their reoccurance).  No one said others couldn't hold superstitious beliefs based upon blind faith. The holders of such blind faith don't get to suppress dissent or proselytize without opposition either.

[falcon9]

No, it is not called hypocrisy and faith blindness.

Such an assertion, coming hypocritically from a religious adherent blinded by faith remains dubious at best. 

You need to clean the scales from your own eyes.

I'm not the one blinded by religious faith.  The ability to reason permits one to *see* more than restrictive religious beliefs permit.  Consider trying it sometime and questioning your own assumptions or, is such "faith" too weak to withstand even an internal challenge?

[falcon9]

And again - so what?  It's not your business to tell them what you think they should do, just because you think it's illogical.  They aren't hurting anyone and their lives don't interfere in yours.  Just as yours should not interfere in ours.

Sure, just like the xtian-instigated witch hunts, three xtian-instigated crusades against "non-believers" and various xtian-instigated inquistions didn't "hurt anyone" ... unless you consider torture and death to be "hurting".

[jcribb16]

It's none of your concern, especially when you use such words as "irrational," "false assertions," and much more.

It becomes anyone else's "concern" once private beliefs flood a publically-accessible venue, should they choose to become concerned enough to oppose specious religious superstitions. 

Who in the world do you think you are, sir?

Simply a rational person who is dissenting against irrational religious superstitions.  Not coincidentally, you're apparently a religious adherent who clings to such superstitions with blind faith in lieu of reason.  This would seem obvious enough to require little explanation, (mainly because the explanation for blind religious faith is generally desparate fear). 

You are certainly not going to change what I believe ...

That's what puts the "blind" in blind faith alright.

You choose to make it your "concern" or "business" by entering the thread in the first place, already knowing that you don't believe in Christ.  You are minding other posters' business when they are minding their own with others who are in like agreement with the topic and just want to enjoy posting with each other.  You also choose to then say it's not an "exclusive Christian club."  No one ever said it was or set it up like that - only you have bothered to make a big deal out of it, all because you loathe the subject.  That's your problem to deal with.  You could be enjoying topics you are interested in, yet you choose to subject yourself to threads you don't like.  

OR - it could be that the whole TRUTH of this, is that you ENJOY going in those threads you loathe, for the express purpose of agitating, trolling, and trying to provoke believers to emotional and irrational responses back to you.  That you enjoy and crave the attention from posters who react certain ways to your disrespect and cut downs.  Personally, I believe it's this that you thrive on.  I would love to hear a denial or an agreement from you about this.  You might as well go all out and be honest about this...

[jcribb16]

I feel sorry for your cold intolerance towards believers for something they just want to express with others who enjoy conversing (I'm speaking of Off Topic Bible verse threads, inspirational threads, or uplifting quotes.) 

Sometimes I pity those whose blind religious faith is so self-deluding that they cannot *see* that it is blinding.  It blinds them to reason, to questioning assumptions and to the very "tolerance" which they want from others being withheld from 'non-believers'.  It blinds them to the inherently offensive nature of religious proselytizing with "verses" and faith-based platitudes, (including those stolen from other belief systems).  It blinds them to the documented facts of the crusades, inquistions, witch hunts and other xtian-instigated atrocities having the same foundational religious beliefs as they hold.  It's ironic when the faith-blinded speak hypocritcally of "enlightenment" when none are so blind as the self-blinded ones of faith.

So?  If someone wants to "blind faith accept Christ" then it's none of your business what they choose.   

So, such religious self-delusions aren't nominally the concern of others unless they leave the confines of the fait-blinded ones' minds and begin running around starting such religiously-based pograms as inquistions, witch hunts and crusades, (nothing but opposition to the basis of such atrocities prevents their reoccurance).  No one said others couldn't hold superstitious beliefs based upon blind faith. The holders of such blind faith don't get to suppress dissent or proselytize without opposition either.

I agree that believers don't get to suppress dissent.  What I disagree with is that they can stand their ground against the issue of the name-calling, discourtesy, disrespect, mocking pictures of Christ, and personally insulting remarks of trying to make believers appear foolish and stupid.  Dissent and disrespectful dissent are two entirely separate things, and the second one is not debate and discuss whatsoever, as much as it is provoking and trolling.  But, you already know this - just can't admit it or agree because then you would have to show that you aren't as perfect about this as you seem to think you are.

[jcribb16]

No, it is not called hypocrisy and faith blindness.

Such an assertion, coming hypocritically from a religious adherent blinded by faith remains dubious at best. 

You need to clean the scales from your own eyes.

I'm not the one blinded by religious faith.  The ability to reason permits one to *see* more than restrictive religious beliefs permit.  Consider trying it sometime and questioning your own assumptions or, is such "faith" too weak to withstand even an internal challenge?

You're right - because you are blinded by your loathing of believers choice of accepting Christ.  You can't get past that stigma.

[falcon9]

It's none of your concern, especially when you use such words as "irrational," "false assertions," and much more.

It becomes anyone else's "concern" once private beliefs flood a publically-accessible venue, should they choose to become concerned enough to oppose specious religious superstitions.

Who in the world do you think you are, sir?

Simply a rational person who is dissenting against irrational religious superstitions.  Not coincidentally, you're apparently a religious adherent who clings to such superstitions with blind faith in lieu of reason.  This would seem obvious enough to require little explanation, (mainly because the explanation for blind religious faith is generally desparate fear).

You are certainly not going to change what I believe ...

That's what puts the "blind" in blind faith alright.

You choose to make it your "concern" or "business" by entering the thread in the first place ...

Yes, any member of FC can choose to concern themselves with any particular thread or, choose not to.  Once again, you're trying to restrict who can participate in a thread's subject based upon whether they agree or disagree with you - that's attempted censorship.  Though why you persist in pursuing such attempts when they continue to fail can only be speculated about.
 

You also choose to then say it's not an "exclusive Christian club."  No one ever said it was or set it up like that ...

Then why are you and some other xtian fundies treating threads which contain xtian superstitions as if they were exclusive xtian countryclubs, where no dissent is tolerated and repeated attempts to suppress it are evidently-extant? <--rhetorical question which will be dodged
  

OR - it could be that the whole TRUTH of this, is that you ENJOY going in those threads you loathe, for the express purpose of agitating, trolling, and trying to provoke believers to emotional and irrational responses back to you.  

Once again, you've failed to discern the difference between a posted response and the initial trolling of religious superstitions which resulted in responses.  A response comes after the initial xtian trolling of offensive proselytization of blind faith with emotional/irrational disrepect of rationality and logical thinking processes, (or, "satanic ways", to blind faithers).

[jcribb16]

And again - so what?  It's not your business to tell them what you think they should do, just because you think it's illogical.  They aren't hurting anyone and their lives don't interfere in yours.  Just as yours should not interfere in ours.

Sure, just like the xtian-instigated witch hunts, three xtian-instigated crusades against "non-believers" and various xtian-instigated inquistions didn't "hurt anyone" ... unless you consider torture and death to be "hurting".

I'm not going in a circle again with you about this.  You continue to delude yourself about this and blame all Christians for the actions of those in the past using God's name to further their wicked agenda.  I DID NOT SAY THOSE THINGS DID NOT HURT ANYONE - they were murderers and were torturers - so stop trying to make it look like I disagree about how horrible they were.  They were despicable.

[falcon9]

I agree that believers don't get to suppress dissent.  

Yet, you continue to attempt to suppress dissent by falsely characterizing it.  That's disingenuous.  Everytime your religious bias labels an opposing viewpoint as "rude", you're trying to suppress dissent.  Every instance of mislabeling a view which disagrees with your religious one as "disrespectful" is another attempt to suppress dissent.

[jcribb16]

It's none of your concern, especially when you use such words as "irrational," "false assertions," and much more.

It becomes anyone else's "concern" once private beliefs flood a publically-accessible venue, should they choose to become concerned enough to oppose specious religious superstitions.

Who in the world do you think you are, sir?

Simply a rational person who is dissenting against irrational religious superstitions.  Not coincidentally, you're apparently a religious adherent who clings to such superstitions with blind faith in lieu of reason.  This would seem obvious enough to require little explanation, (mainly because the explanation for blind religious faith is generally desparate fear).

You are certainly not going to change what I believe ...

That's what puts the "blind" in blind faith alright.

You choose to make it your "concern" or "business" by entering the thread in the first place ...

Yes, any member of FC can choose to concern themselves with any particular thread or, choose not to.  Once again, you're trying to restrict who can participate in a thread's subject based upon whether they agree or disagree with you - that's attempted censorship.  Though why you persist in pursuing such attempts when they continue to fail can only be speculated about.
 

You also choose to then say it's not an "exclusive Christian club."  No one ever said it was or set it up like that ...

Then why are you and some other xtian fundies treating threads which contain xtian superstitions as if they were exclusive xtian countryclubs, where no dissent is tolerated and repeated attempts to suppress it are evidently-extant? <--rhetorical question which will be dodged
  

OR - it could be that the whole TRUTH of this, is that you ENJOY going in those threads you loathe, for the express purpose of agitating, trolling, and trying to provoke believers to emotional and irrational responses back to you.  

Once again, you've failed to discern the difference between a posted response and the initial trolling of religious superstitions which resulted in responses.  A response comes after the initial xtian trolling of offensive proselytization of blind faith with emotional/irrational disrepect of rationality and logical thinking processes, (or, "satanic ways", to blind faithers).

You need to get over yourself, sir.  The religious topics are allowed in the first place, which means anyone can start a topic of interest regarding whatever they choose to make the topic.  Which means nothing is instigated deliberately as you continue to accuse them of.  You are going in circles over something that is totally a lame excuse for trying to place any blame only on believers.  Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail - but keep trying, because you won't accept the word fail, and you can only allow yourself to be the only one correct about everything.  Poor thing...

[falcon9]

And again - so what?  It's not your business to tell them what you think they should do, just because you think it's illogical.  They aren't hurting anyone and their lives don't interfere in yours.  Just as yours should not interfere in ours.

Sure, just like the xtian-instigated witch hunts, three xtian-instigated crusades against "non-believers" and various xtian-instigated inquistions didn't "hurt anyone" ... unless you consider torture and death to be "hurting".

I'm not going in a circle again with you about this.  You continue to delude yourself about this and blame all Christians for the actions of those in the past using God's name ...

Documented facts are not delusions; those atrocities were instigated by xtians who held the exact same blind faith as xtians nowadays claim to hold in the same alleged "g-d".  To reiterate the point in mentioning that minor fact; it's my choice to oppose the same belief system which lead to those xtian atrocities as it's your choice to tacitly support them by believing in the exact same thing those xtians did.

[falcon9]

The religious topics are allowed in the first place, which means anyone can start a topic of interest regarding whatever they choose to make the topic. 

Just because they're allowed doesn't mean they cannot be opposed.  You still don't get to suppress opposing posts.

Which means nothing is instigated deliberately as you continue to accuse them of. 

Are you suggesting that xtians are 'accidentally' posting religious propaganda because they aren't bright enough to realize that it is proselytiing or, they their blind faith dictates that they don't consider proselytiing to be proselyting?

You are going in circles ...

Illogical religious beliefs cause that sort of thing.  The best that reasoning can do in the face of such blind religious irrationality is to point out teh circularity of blind faith and trust that those who still retain the ability to reason will come to their own conclusions.