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Re: I believe in God {and other inconsistencies}
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2012, 01:37:19 pm »
No evidence has been presented to support contentions regarding the alleged supernatural entity in question.  A religious belief is just that; faith without evidence.

I believe in a God that loves us all...whether we are believers or not it does not make us better than anyone else. We are all on this earth to perfect our souls and no amount of dogma can save us. I believe that the only hell is the one we are living in now and that the only devil is the one that resides in us all. Religion is great as long as you don't use it to look down your nose at other people because they don't believe what you believe or they don't follow the dogma of the church. I also believe in Jesus. But I don't believe that you have to believe that he is a savior in order to be "saved". If we bring forth the love that is inside of us we will find God. GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE IS GOD. He made all of us and I don't believe that he makes mistakes.  :heart:
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Re: I believe in God
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2012, 02:03:58 pm »
So you believe in god? That's great. You can believe whatever the hell you want to believe. Now when you use religion to CONTROL other people by means of COERCION (You're going to go to hell if you don't believe) VIOLENCE (I am going to hit you if you don't believe.) or anything else that harms other people (I am going to use my religion to gain a political advantage). The problem with religion throughout history isn't that its a free choice and atheist are trying to keep you from practicing. The problem is actually the OPPOSITE. In all of history it was religion that kept others from choosing what they could believe in by the above methods (which where actually worse back then.) Now that humanity is gaining more freedom and we are able to choose what we believe in don't try to turn the tables and say atheist are keeping you from believing what you want to believe. That's just propitious. (Notice I didn't even try to disprove god at all in this entire statement.)

I also love how the op post a message basically telling everyone what he/she believes and then tells people not to respond that that they will not respond to anyone posting. Whats the point of even posting this thread then?
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Re: I believe in God {and other inconsistencies}
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2012, 02:29:36 pm »
No evidence has been presented to support contentions regarding the alleged supernatural entity in question.  A religious belief is just that; faith without evidence.

I believe in a God that loves us all...whether we are believers or not it does not make us better than anyone else. We are all on this earth to perfect our souls and no amount of dogma can save us. I believe that the only hell is the one we are living in now and that the only devil is the one that resides in us all. Religion is great as long as you don't use it to look down your nose at other people because they don't believe what you believe or they don't follow the dogma of the church. I also believe in Jesus. But I don't believe that you have to believe that he is a savior in order to be "saved". If we bring forth the love that is inside of us we will find God. GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE IS GOD. He made all of us and I don't believe that he makes mistakes.  :heart:

Does this make you a bad person for stating this??? My opinion is NO! It does not!

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Re: I believe in God {and other inconsistencies}
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2012, 02:38:04 pm »
No evidence has been presented to support contentions regarding the alleged supernatural entity in question.  A religious belief is just that; faith without evidence.

I believe in a God that loves us all...whether we are believers or not it does not make us better than anyone else. We are all on this earth to perfect our souls and no amount of dogma can save us. I believe that the only hell is the one we are living in now and that the only devil is the one that resides in us all. Religion is great as long as you don't use it to look down your nose at other people because they don't believe what you believe or they don't follow the dogma of the church. I also believe in Jesus. But I don't believe that you have to believe that he is a savior in order to be "saved". If we bring forth the love that is inside of us we will find God. GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE IS GOD. He made all of us and I don't believe that he makes mistakes.  :heart:

Does this make you a bad person for stating this??? My opinion is NO! It does not!

Facts are inherently neither 'good' nor 'bad'; they don't play favorites.  The fact is that religious belief is faith which lacks supporting evidence, (that's why it's blind faith).  There is no evidence substantiating blood sacrifices as a supernatural carwash for "sins" therefore, the concept is a irrational for the xtian religion a it was for the Mayans/Olmec/Toltec 'believers'.  The latter didn't get better crop yields and the former don't get "saved" by some superstitous belief randomly connecting unfounded contentions to desparate hopes.
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Re: I believe in God
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2012, 02:40:42 pm »
I'M SO GLAD TO SEE SOMEONE ELSED ONLINE WHO IS NOT ASHAMED TO BOLDLY PROCLAIM THEIR BELIEF AND LOVE FOR GOD. BE BLESSED!

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Re: I believe in God {and other irrationalities}
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 02:41:47 pm »
"All religions, with their gods, demigods, prophets, messiahs and saints, are the product of the fancy and credulity of men who have not yet
reached the full development and complete personality of their intellectual (reasoning) powers."
-- Mikhail A. Bakunin

I'M SO GLAD TO SEE SOMEONE ELSED ONLINE WHO IS NOT ASHAMED TO BOLDLY PROCLAIM THEIR BELIEF AND LOVE FOR GOD. BE BLESSED!

Why would someone be glad about another's irrationality unless the glad one shares it?
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Re: I believe in God
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 04:18:58 pm »
I have the right to post want I want. Just as any of you do. Responses are welcomed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. All I'm stating is that I am a firm believer in God. I am often attacked by many atheist, and pagans. If you choose not to believe that is your choice. I choose not to argue with people about it, because only fools argue. What is the purpose of attacking me each and every time that I post something about God. Opposing me is not going to change my mind. Just because you don't believe in GOD doesn't mean that he does not exist. Common people have a hard time dealing with believing in an uncommon God. If there is no scientific proof then people have a hard time believing in something that they can't see. It is in our nature to not believe in the supernatural. Yet we believe in everything that we see on T.V. Some of us doubt that the Bible contains any truth. Yet most believe every article that they read in a magazine. It appears that we live in a world that believes in everything except God. I choose to be one of the few that is willing to stand up for what I believe in. Each and every living thing on this earth has a creator. There hasn't been a person that has been able to prove to me that the world was formed without a creator, or that humans were formed without a creator. Each and every one of us has a unique design. There are no two people in the world with the same fingerprints. Everything in the world has a purpose. There isn't a purposeless creature on this earth. It is evident that we were created, unless you believe that story about us actually evolving from animals. I choose to believe in a God that can't be seen. I believe that a virgin gave birth to a baby named Jesus to save humanity. I believe that Jesus was created to die so that we all can one day have eternal life. God revealed himself to me in a manner in which I could no longer deny him. Many will never believe, but one things for sure no fancy words, or philosophies could ever change my relationship with God.

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Re: I believe in God {and other inconsistencies}
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 04:25:00 pm »
No evidence has been presented to support contentions regarding the alleged supernatural entity in question.  A religious belief is just that; faith without evidence.

I believe in a God that loves us all...whether we are believers or not it does not make us better than anyone else. We are all on this earth to perfect our souls and no amount of dogma can save us. I believe that the only hell is the one we are living in now and that the only devil is the one that resides in us all. Religion is great as long as you don't use it to look down your nose at other people because they don't believe what you believe or they don't follow the dogma of the church. I also believe in Jesus. But I don't believe that you have to believe that he is a savior in order to be "saved". If we bring forth the love that is inside of us we will find God. GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE IS GOD. He made all of us and I don't believe that he makes mistakes.  :heart:

Does this make you a bad person for stating this??? My opinion is NO! It does not!

Facts are inherently neither 'good' nor 'bad'; they don't play favorites.  The fact is that religious belief is faith which lacks supporting evidence, (that's why it's blind faith).  There is no evidence substantiating blood sacrifices as a supernatural car wash for "sins" therefore, the concept is a irrational for the xtian religion a it was for the Mayans/Olmec/Toltec 'believers'.  The latter didn't get better crop yields and the former don't get "saved" by some superstitious belief randomly connecting unfounded contentions to desperate hopes.

 Notice I did not say whether or not the facts were bad. I just don't feel that you are a bad person for stating them. I have had too many prayers answered to not believe that there is a higher power. That is my prerogative. It doesn't mean that others have to believe what I do. It definitely doesn't make me mad at them. I also believe that you need a great big hug, a good massage, and a whole lot of lovin'!! hahaha I have no proof of that. It is just something that I feel. Sometimes things don't always need an explanation or proof, it just is what it is. And we are just who we are. If being who you are makes you happy and brings contentment....than so be it!   :peace:

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Re: I believe in God {and other self-delusions}
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2012, 04:55:34 pm »
I have the right to post want I want. Just as any of you do.

Actually, you do not have any such "right" on FC as FC's Terms of Service and posting policies apply to their forums.  Posting here is not a "right", it's a priviledge.

Responses are welcomed.

Apparently not, as you go on to indicate that those responses which dispute and refute yours are 'unwelcome'.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. All I'm stating is that I am a firm believer in God. I am often attacked by many atheist, and pagans.

Challenges to specious religious claims, (those declarations of 'belief' without supporting evidence), are being inaccurately described as 'attacks', (when they are merely unanswered challenges to blind faith).

If you choose not to believe that is your choice. I choose not to argue with people about it, because only fools argue.

On the contrary, only "fools" make empty religious declarations of blind faith by refusing to support them with evidence or rational reasoning.  That's what makes their faith blind and the faith-blinded, self-deluded.

What is the purpose of attacking me each and every time that I post something about God. Opposing me is not going to change my mind.

The purpose of opposing blind faith is to oppose the perpetuation of unsubstantiated superstious myths.  In doing so, one supports awareness and not faith-blindness.  Those who remain self-blinded by faith, (declare that reason is "not going to change" their minds), are lost to self-delusion.

Just because you don't believe in GOD doesn't mean that he does not exist.

That is not logical reasoning; neither 'belief' nor disbelief have any bearing upon the factual existence, (or non-existence), of something.  Something either exists or, it does not.  Religious adherents have consistantly failed to produce valid evidence of the existence of a supernatural entity vaguely designated a "g-d".  A belief does not confer existence therefore, their religious claims are specious and without merit.  

If there is no scientific proof then people have a hard time believing in something that they can't see. It is in our nature to not believe in the supernatural. Yet we believe in everything that we see on T.V.

No, "we" do not "believe in everything that we see on T.V.", (you may however, you aren't "we").

Some of us doubt that the Bible contains any truth.

“They say Jerusalem is proof Jesus walked on earth. I say the Empire building is proof King Kong scaled it."
-– Ben Rodriguez

Yet most believe every article that they read in a magazine. It appears that we live in a world that believes in everything except God.

Again, "most" do not "believe every article that they read in a magazine".  Your non-reasoning is faulty to the point of dishonesty and definitely does Not support your contentions.  That's the central problem with irrationality; illogic does not support the rational and logical does not support irrationality.  This reasoning seems to elude blind faithers.

I choose to be one of the few that is willing to stand up for what I believe in.

On the contrary, there are millions just as faith-blinded who "stand up" to declare their irrational blind faith as if they were proud of their self-delusions.

Each and every living thing on this earth has a creator.

Yes, they have a mundane reproductive source, not a supernatural one.

There hasn't been a person that has been able to prove to me that the world was formed without a creator, or that humans were formed without a creator.

Conversely, (and instead of trying to 'prove a negative assertion'), there hasn't been a single faith-blinded religious adherent who has been able to prove the existence of a supernatural "creator" without resorting to unsupported attributions, (which fail to support their claims).

Each and every one of us has a unique design. There are no two people in the world with the same fingerprints.

I take it you are unfamiliar with DNA in general and genetics in particular.

Everything in the world has a purpose. There isn't a purposeless creature on this earth.

Take care not to confuse function with a religious "purpose".

It is evident that we were created, unless you believe that story about us actually evolving from animals.

No, it is not "evident" merely because you declare that it is; you've neglected to provide valid evidence to justify the contention.  Vague and unsupported attributions do not constitute valid evidence in support of your claims.  They constitute faith-based empty declarations, (because faith is belief without evidence).  Evolution is a theory which proposes to account for processes which took, (and are taking), place over long stretches of time.  Your non-theory of 'creationism' posits a supernatural entity performing instantaneous 'magic' instead.  The more plausible explanation eschews such religious magic.

"Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night."
-- Isaac Asimov


I choose to believe in a God that can't be seen.

Then there's no qualitive difference between belief in an "invisible pink unicorn" and whatever vague g-d concept you cannot see either.  The point is that those making extraordinary claims, (such as for unseen g-ds), take on the obligation of the burden of proof.  Of course, religious fanatics can, (and do), often shirk this responsibility and even try shifting it onto those challenging their specious claims, (by demanding that the challenger prove something 'isn't so' - which is an illogical and dishonest dodge).

... one things for sure no fancy words, or philosophies could ever change my relationship with God.

Your declaration of being permenently blinded by empty faith is acknowledged as your self-limitation and delusion.  It's unforunate however, others retain the ability to oppose and reject such religious superstitions.

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Re: I believe in God {and other inconsistencies}
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2012, 05:07:46 pm »
Notice I did not say whether or not the facts were bad. I just don't feel that you are a bad person for stating them.

I don't see how that's relevant.  A 'good' person can state "bad"/incorrect non-facts or, a 'bad' person may do so.  Conversely, a 'bad' person can state factual information or, a 'good' person can.  The subjectively-relative condition of the person stating a fact or non-fact is not relevant.

I have had too many prayers answered to not believe that there is a higher power. That is my prerogative.

Actually, that's your unsupported attribution of any 'results' to intercessory magical rituals, ("prayers").  Until unambiguous evidence can be produced to support such upernatural claims, they remain dubious and contentious.

It doesn't mean that others have to believe what I do. It definitely doesn't make me mad at them. I also believe that you need a great big hug, a good massage, and a whole lot of lovin'!! hahaha I have no proof of that. It is just something that I feel. Sometimes things don't always need an explanation or proof, it just is what it is.

Everything has a 'reason'; even the unreasonable.  As it happens, I've had a hug, massage and a lot of loving thanks to my girlfriend.  One can only conclude that you based your estimation/guess on assumptions and false attributions, (of an unsupported nature and therefore, "W.A.G."s - "wild-a**ed guesses").

And we are just who we are. If being who you are makes you happy and brings contentment....than so be it!   :peace:

That's a very zen and un-xtian philosophy but then again, many xtians seem to be basically 'winging it' and characterizing such improvisations "xtianity".  That happens in other religions too so, don't take it personally.
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Re: I believe in God {and other inconsistencies}
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2012, 05:38:57 pm »
Notice I did not say whether or not the facts were bad. I just don't feel that you are a bad person for stating them.

I don't see how that's relevant.  A 'good' person can state "bad"/incorrect non-facts or, a 'bad' person may do so.  Conversely, a 'bad' person can state factual information or, a 'good' person can.  The subjectively-relative condition of the person stating a fact or non-fact is not relevant.
 
The fact that you see how it is relevant doesn't really matter. I just have more of a Gnostic view about things than most Christians do. I don't feel that following a strict set of rules set forth by the church is something that makes us better or above anyone else. The point that I was trying to make was that we are all equals no matter what we choose to believe or not to believe or how many reasoning's we have for what we feel to be true or not. No matter what words you put here or how many times you state what you feel are facts...the main fact is you are only a human being and so am I.

I have had too many prayers answered to not believe that there is a higher power. That is my prerogative.

Actually, that's your unsupported attribution of any 'results' to intercessory magical rituals, ("prayers").  Until unambiguous evidence can be produced to support such upernatural claims, they remain dubious and contentious.
 
 It does not matter to me what you think about my prayers. I still have had experiences that have changed my life and the life of my family. Those experiences have brought forth love and that love is a powerful thing that changes how I live my life and how I feel about the situations that I find myself in. I find contentment in prayer and meditation. It is how I deal with the stress that life inevitably gives out.

It doesn't mean that others have to believe what I do. It definitely doesn't make me mad at them. I also believe that you need a great big hug, a good massage, and a whole lot of lovin'!! hahaha I have no proof of that. It is just something that I feel. Sometimes things don't always need an explanation or proof, it just is what it is.

Everything has a 'reason'; even the unreasonable.  As it happens, I've had a hug, massage and a lot of loving thanks to my girlfriend.  One can only conclude that you based your estimation/guess on assumptions and false attributions, (of an unsupported nature and therefore, "W.A.G."s - "wild-a**ed guesses").

I too believe that everything has a reason. That doesn't mean that we always have to have an explanation for it. It still will be what it is.
I owe you an apology for my "W.A.G"s  (so sorry)   :)
And we are just who we are. If being who you are makes you happy and brings contentment....than so be it!   :peace:

That's a very zen and un-xtian philosophy but then again, many xtians seem to be basically 'winging it' and characterizing such improvisations "xtianity".  That happens in other religions too so, don't take it personally.
I don't feel that I am a Christian that is just winging it. I just have a Gnostic view about people. I am a Gnostic Christian and I base my life, opinions, and feelings on LOVE.

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Re: I believe in God {and other inconsistencies}
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2012, 05:58:16 pm »
Notice I did not say whether or not the facts were bad. I just don't feel that you are a bad person for stating them.

I don't see how that's relevant.  A 'good' person can state "bad"/incorrect non-facts or, a 'bad' person may do so.  Conversely, a 'bad' person can state factual information or, a 'good' person can.  The subjectively-relative condition of the person stating a fact or non-fact is not relevant.

The fact that you see how it is relevant doesn't really matter.

Actually, I mentioned that it was logically irrelevant.

I just have more of a Gnostic view about things than most Christians do. I don't feel that following a strict set of rules set forth by the church is something that makes us better or above anyone else.

Interestingly, "gnosticism" apparently didn't began as a sect of xtianity, but after the discovery of the Nag Hammadi library, it was found to have derived from mainly judiac, rather than pagan precursors.

The point that I was trying to make was that we are all equals no matter what we choose to believe or not to believe or how many reasoning's we have for what we feel to be true or not. No matter what words you put here or how many times you state what you feel are facts...the main fact is you are only a human being and so am I.

Being human does not make all humans equal since it depends upon which, (if any), defining parameters are used.  For instance, humans who hold beliefs which cannot be substantiated by factual evidence are irrational, whereas those who don't are more rational humans.

I have had too many prayers answered to not believe that there is a higher power. That is my prerogative.

Actually, that's your unsupported attribution of any 'results' to intercessory magical rituals, ("prayers").  Until unambiguous evidence can be produced to support such upernatural claims, they remain dubious and contentious.
 
It does not matter to me what you think about my prayers. I still have had experiences that have changed my life and the life of my family. Those experiences have brought forth love and that love is a powerful thing that changes how I live my life and how I feel about the situations that I find myself in. I find contentment in prayer and meditation. It is how I deal with the stress that life inevitably gives out.

It nominally doesn't matter whether you choose to attribute effects to supernatural causes or magical intercessory rituals.  Either such attributions are accurate, (have valid substantiating evidence to support them), or they are not, (relying instead nupon faith-without-evidence). The salient point being the difference between the cognizant contrast of unreasoned faith/belief and logical reasoning. This is essentially the difference between seeing things as one wishes them to be, (religious faith), and seeing them as they are, (objective reasoning).


And we are just who we are. If being who you are makes you happy and brings contentment....than so be it!   :peace:

That's a very zen and un-xtian philosophy but then again, many xtians seem to be basically 'winging it' and characterizing such improvisations "xtianity".  That happens in other religions too so, don't take it personally.

I don't feel that I am a Christian that is just winging it. I just have a Gnostic view about people. I am a Gnostic Christian and I base my life, opinions, and feelings on LOVE.

That' what I meant by 'winging it'.
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Re: I believe in God
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2012, 06:10:52 pm »
Nature is God's general revelation to us....it cannot be denied.  The Bible is His specific revelation to us....there will be no excuse!

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Re: I believe in God {and other inconsistencies}
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2012, 06:17:08 pm »
Notice I did not say whether or not the facts were bad. I just don't feel that you are a bad person for stating them.

I don't see how that's relevant.  A 'good' person can state "bad"/incorrect non-facts or, a 'bad' person may do so.  Conversely, a 'bad' person can state factual information or, a 'good' person can.  The subjectively-relative condition of the person stating a fact or non-fact is not relevant.

The fact that you see how it is relevant doesn't really matter.

Actually, I mentioned that it was logically irrelevant.

I just have more of a Gnostic view about things than most Christians do. I don't feel that following a strict set of rules set forth by the church is something that makes us better or above anyone else.

Interestingly, "gnosticism" apparently didn't began as a sect of xtianity, but after the discovery of the Nag Hammadi library, it was found to have derived from mainly judiac, rather than pagan precursors.

The point that I was trying to make was that we are all equals no matter what we choose to believe or not to believe or how many reasoning's we have for what we feel to be true or not. No matter what words you put here or how many times you state what you feel are facts...the main fact is you are only a human being and so am I.

Being human does not make all humans equal since it depends upon which, (if any), defining parameters are used.  For instance, humans who hold beliefs which cannot be substantiated by factual evidence are irrational, whereas those who don't are more rational humans.

I have had too many prayers answered to not believe that there is a higher power. That is my prerogative.

Actually, that's your unsupported attribution of any 'results' to intercessory magical rituals, ("prayers").  Until unambiguous evidence can be produced to support such upernatural claims, they remain dubious and contentious.
 
It does not matter to me what you think about my prayers. I still have had experiences that have changed my life and the life of my family. Those experiences have brought forth love and that love is a powerful thing that changes how I live my life and how I feel about the situations that I find myself in. I find contentment in prayer and meditation. It is how I deal with the stress that life inevitably gives out.

It nominally doesn't matter whether you choose to attribute effects to supernatural causes or magical intercessory rituals.  Either such attributions are accurate, (have valid substantiating evidence to support them), or they are not, (relying instead nupon faith-without-evidence). The salient point being the difference between the cognizant contrast of unreasoned faith/belief and logical reasoning. This is essentially the difference between seeing things as one wishes them to be, (religious faith), and seeing them as they are, (objective reasoning).


And we are just who we are. If being who you are makes you happy and brings contentment....than so be it!   :peace:

That's a very zen and un-xtian philosophy but then again, many xtians seem to be basically 'winging it' and characterizing such improvisations "xtianity".  That happens in other religions too so, don't take it personally.

I don't feel that I am a Christian that is just winging it. I just have a Gnostic view about people. I am a Gnostic Christian and I base my life, opinions, and feelings on LOVE.

That' what I meant by 'winging it'.
LOVE is not 'winging it' and all of your other opinions could never take away the fact that I base my life on LOVE and that I have an open mindedness that a lot of other people don't. Just because you are unable to categorize me does not take away the LOVE and acceptance that I feel for others. Even you. hahahaha
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Re: I {have no reason to} believe in God
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2012, 06:19:17 pm »
Nature is God's general revelation to us....it cannot be denied.  The Bible is His specific revelation to us....there will be no excuse!

That's an unwarranted assumption, (because no evidence supports such a supernatural attribution - one may as well contend that "nature" is 'evidence' that the "invisible pink unicorn" is responsible for nature, in the same circular and illogical fashion).  Such a pecious claim can be challenged and is, (whether the ones claiming such are up to the challenge or not).  The (various) 'bibles' are unsupported heasay which do not constitute valid evidence supporting a claim of 'divine revelation' and the only excuse for claiming otherwise is irrational blind faith.  
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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