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falcon9

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Re: FAITH
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2012, 06:43:50 pm »
{edit: moderator - this thread is definitely a d+d thread at this point - will you consider moving it there?}

I understand that there are those who deny the existence of God.

It's possible that you misunderstand the difference between 'denying' something for which there has been no valid evidence presented and awaiting any presentation of such evidence indefinitely.  

I understand that there are those who refuse to accept the concept of faith.

That is a dubious claim since the "concept of faith" is to hold a belief despite and in spite of a lack of evidence.  That is an irrational position to hold.

No one, I repeat no one, will change what I know to be true. GOD EXISTS!!!

Then you tacitly admit to blind faith in something for which no valid evidence exists, (false attributions and appeals to authority - biblical self-referential appeals - do not constitute valid evidence).

That is the position I hold and my life experiences and my very existence is my evidence.

Inaccurate and false attributions do not constitute valid evidence.  Such subjective attributions to supernatural causes, (sans evidence; biased religious opinion is not evidence either), do not constitute valid evidence.

Faith is trusting in things that have no evidence.

That's known as 'blind faith' and, as an irrational position.  You are, of course, free to hold an irrational position as others are to hold rational ones.
 
This concept is difficult for those who refuse to see what is before their very eyes.

There is no supportive evidence for the supernatural causes to "refuse to see".  What such religious adherents who rant and rave with false attributions to supernatural causes refuse to see is that there is no evidence for this and "faith" is not a substitute for evidence.

Anyone can rant and rave and shake their fist and scream into the darkness and say there is no GOD.

Conversely, anyone can rave and rant and spew spittle while insisting that there is such a thing however, if they present no valid evidence, their religious opinion remains empty.

I wonder what people who feel that way would find if they opened themselves to the possibility that it may be true. I DARE YOU, TO ASK HIM IF HE EXISTS! I DARE YOU TO ASK HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU!

Done; no response and before you try pulling some specious crap like the asker must be 'sincere' or 'take jeebus into their heart' before buying such superstitious nonsense consider this: self-delusions do not cause some hypothetical supernatural entity to exist.  Something either exists or, it does not.  If it exists, it does not require belief in its existence in order to exist.  If it does not exist, belief will not cause it to exist. Now, having taken your "dare", I double-dog dare you to respond to the context of these refutations to your "faith" - or is it so weak that you dare not?
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Re: FAITH
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2012, 10:36:40 pm »
Have faith is what I've been telling myself in hopes of life changes turning positive, but I'm losing that.

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Re: FAITH
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2012, 10:55:56 pm »
Have faith is what I've been telling myself in hopes of life changes turning positive, but I'm losing that.

That's likely due more to "positive", (or 'negative'), changes have nothing whatsoever to do with such "faith", (belief without evidence).  Neither a positive  nor negative change/occurance can be accurately attributed to "faith" in a supernatural cause, (however, these may be associated with a chain of mundane causes & effects). Having confidence in extant capabilities is more pragmatic if justified, (or as self-delusional as religious faith if not justified, and just as empty).
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Re: FAITH
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2012, 08:10:13 am »
I checked back because I knew that this ungrateful faithless being would try to refute everything I said and try to use logic as his defense. This is my simple but honest reply, you are afraid. You are so scared of everything you can't control that you jump whenever you hear a noise. You however don't frighten me one bit. It is no big deal to me if you don't believe a word I say. I don't care. I will go on having faith and I will go on believing in GOD. Your life and my life experiences are different. Unfortunately you remind me of someone I once knew who had been severely abused as a child and neglected. You are pathetic, roar all you want it's useless we can all see through you now. I will pray for you because you need it. It must be tough to go through life being you. :angel11:

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Re: FAITH
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2012, 10:20:18 am »
"God gives us faith so we can be steady and stabile when we go through difficulties."
-Joyce Meyer

100% true... Thanks for posting.

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Re: (blind) FAITH
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2012, 03:42:09 pm »
I checked back because I knew that this ungrateful faithless being would try to refute everything I said and try to use logic as his defense.

The speciously-empty religious nonsense spouted by another sanctimonious blind faither was refuted by logic, not as a "defense" but in opposition to such irrationality.  

This is my simple but honest reply, you are afraid. You are so scared of everything you can't control that you jump whenever you hear a noise.

Apparently you're laboring under another false premise regarding your own fears and try projecting them onto others.  This fails because you're the one holding onto your blind faith out of fear.

You however don't frighten me one bit. It is no big deal to me if you don't believe a word I say. I don't care.

I'm not trying to frighten the already frightened xtians as they cling to superstitions in the darkness of their own minds.  You posted a load of specious religious propaganda, I challenged its basis, (because it has none other than blind faith), and then you snapped like a dry twig with the next sanctimonious post you made.

I will go on having faith and I will go on believing in GOD. Your life and my life experiences are different.

Our life experiences have one thing in common however; neither of them present any valid evidence to support a blind faith in the alleged existence of such a supernatural egregore.  The difference being, I'm rational and do not accept the non-basis of no evidence whereas you're not and do.

Unfortunately you remind me of someone I once knew who had been severely abused as a child and neglected. You are pathetic, roar all you want it's useless we can all see through you now.

Fabricating innuendo make you a lying, hypocritical xtian gossip.  You did that one yourself, in your own words.

I will pray for you because you need it. It must be tough to go through life being you.

I don't need your unsolicited magical intercessory invocation rituals.  However, since you're rude enough to inflict them on others, I've let certain pagan associates know that it's okay for them to engage in 'other' magical intercessory invocation rituals on your behalf, (but not ones involving your alleged xtian egregore).  No need for thanks, you self-righteously blind xtian.
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Re: FAITH
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2012, 03:46:39 pm »
I am constantly relying on my faith in God to get me through daily life!   Those non-believers....I feel so sad for you!

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Re: FAITH
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2012, 03:48:39 pm »
Relying upon empty faith, (a belief for which there is no evidence), is self-delusional.  I don't pity the self-deluded religious adherents since they blinded themselves.

I am constantly relying on my faith in God to get me through daily life!   Those non-believers....I feel so sad for you!
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Re: FAITH
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2012, 07:40:14 pm »

      Joyce Meyers: Amen to that! We all need faith in our lives just to survive.

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Re: FAITH
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2012, 07:45:25 pm »
We all need faith in our lives just to survive.

No, "faith" is not something needed by "all" to survive.  Especially religious blind faith.
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