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rcampbell8

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Whats your opnion?
« on: August 05, 2012, 08:05:18 pm »
People say God created ever. that mean he created the Devil and gay people. Yet people say god hates gay people. I don't get it. I think their is to many close minded people out there and God made gay people to open their minds a little.  :female: :male: Never hurts to try.

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2012, 08:11:59 pm »
God loves gay people just as He loves all people.  God did not make the people gay, they chose to be that way, for themselves.  God still loves them as He does you and me, and anyone else.  He just does not approve of homosexuality.  This is based on what I believe, as a Christian, and may not be accepted by others, who may have their own voice in the matter.

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2012, 08:13:57 pm »
People say God created ever. that mean he created the Devil and gay people. Yet people say god hates gay people. I don't get it. I think their is to many close minded people out there and God made gay people to open their minds a little.  :female: :male: Never hurts to try.

A logical inconsistancy, (such as the mutual-contradiction you point out), indicates an invalid premise, (that "g-d created" anything - no evidence supports this premise since it is a faith-based one bereft of evidence).  Therefore, the inconsistancy is resolved by either inverting or removing the false premise; if "g-d" didn't "create" gays or devils/or doesn't exist and created nothing, then there is no inconsistancy and gays exist for other reasons than the specious one without valid basis.
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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2012, 08:15:12 pm »
God loves gay people just as He loves all people.  God did not make the people gay, they chose to be that way, for themselves.  God still loves them as He does you and me, and anyone else.  He just does not approve of homosexuality.  This is based on what I believe, as a Christian, and may not be accepted by others, who may have their own voice in the matter.

This is based entirely upon a religious belief and has no evidentiary basis.


"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their
own desires."
-- Susan B. Anthony
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2012, 08:19:29 pm »
I don't think (and have never said otherwise) that God hates gay people.God loves all and gave us His all when Jesus died for us.People who are gay,chose that way despite what God clearly says against it in the Bible as a forbidden practace.

We are all guilty of sin,but we ought not live a life of constent ongoing sin.That's why we need to say the Truth in love,regardless of how un-PC it is,that the gay lifestyle is against God's Will.

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2012, 08:32:07 pm »
God loves gay people just as He loves all people.  God did not make the people gay, they chose to be that way, for themselves.  God still loves them as He does you and me, and anyone else.  He just does not approve of homosexuality.  This is based on what I believe, as a Christian, and may not be accepted by others, who may have their own voice in the matter.

This is based entirely upon a religious belief and has no evidentiary basis.


"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their
own desires."
-- Susan B. Anthony
And your response is the main reason I wrote that my answer was based on what I BELIEVE, as a CHRISTIAN, and may NOT be accepted by others (such as yourself) who may have their own voice in the matter.  (Which you did.)  Just because YOU do not accept my answer does not mean it is not true.  You gave your thoughts and I gave mine. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2012, 09:15:13 pm »
And your response is the main reason I wrote that my answer was based on what I BELIEVE, as a CHRISTIAN, and may NOT be accepted by others (such as yourself) who may have their own voice in the matter.  (Which you did.)  Just because YOU do not accept my answer does not mean it is not true.  You gave your thoughts and I gave mine. 

Actually, a lack of evidentiary basis, (your "opinion"), indicates either that no such evidence exists or, hasn't been presented.  If it exists and hasn't been presented, why not?  If such evidence does not exist, it cannot be presented and the contention/claim remains unsupported and false by default.
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 12:58:40 am »
God loves gay people just as He loves all people.  God did not make the people gay, they chose to be that way, for themselves.  God still loves them as He does you and me, and anyone else.  He just does not approve of homosexuality.  This is based on what I believe, as a Christian, and may not be accepted by others, who may have their own voice in the matter.

Well that's all just a bit contradictory.  God created these people in the most perfect way because, of course, he's the most perfect of all gods.  Some of them remain perfect, like you, others, however, chose to become homosexual because god gave them free will.  God calls this a sin, but, still, he loves them anyway because he's such a loving god.

You can't say god created people "in his image" and then blame people for imperfections, it's a logical contradiction.  If there are any imperfect people, it's because your god created imperfection, and now blames his imperfect creations with "sin," but, as you say, he loves them anyway.  Congratulations, pure nonsense.

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 01:29:56 am »
I don't think (and have never said otherwise) that God hates gay people.God loves all and gave us His all when Jesus died for us.People who are gay,chose that way despite what God clearly says against it in the Bible as a forbidden practace.

We are all guilty of sin,but we ought not live a life of constent ongoing sin.That's why we need to say the Truth in love,regardless of how un-PC it is,that the gay lifestyle is against God's Will.

You may feel you're "guilty of sin," and bow down before a god in remorse.  I'm not guilty of sin, I always strive to treat my fellow humans in an honorable, respectful and generous manner.  If you feel guilty of sins, then you'd better get on your knees right now and start praying to your god.

I have no opinion about homosexuality, I simply don't care.

Incidentally, my immature little friend, you might want to check your spelling every once in a while, it should be "practice" and "constant."  Expecting correct punctuation from you, as I well understand, would be far too much to ask. 

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 08:10:40 am »
When it comes to God, Religion, and the Bible... Don't try and make sense of it. You'll end up vastly disappointed. 

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 08:44:41 am »
I love how the naive are saying "Homosexuals chose to be homosexual". They obviously know nothing about homosexuality. It's like saying "Women choose to be attracted to men" and vice versa. It's completely natural, so there's no real choice in the matter. There is however a free choice-- abstain and deny who you really are or accept and be comfortable with who you are. If you grow up and realize you're attracted to the same sex, it's either completely natural (as homosexuality is seen throughout the animal kingdom) or, for the ignorant, a malevolent god is stacking your deck probably just to "test" you. Guess which side holds real weight though?

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I have no opinion about homosexuality, I simply don't care.

I really shouldn't either, but there's just so much misinformed crap out there that the crazy bible belt throws around that I feel the need to take a side on the issue and explain it rationally. However after this post I'm almost certain there will be a few strawman arguments coming my way.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2012, 12:52:44 pm by Falconer02 »

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 09:00:51 am »
If everyone would just let other people be who they want to be--as long as that person is not harmful to society and others--things would be oh so pleasant.

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 02:07:10 pm »
God loves gay people just as He loves all people.  God did not make the people gay, they chose to be that way, for themselves.  God still loves them as He does you and me, and anyone else.  He just does not approve of homosexuality.  This is based on what I believe, as a Christian, and may not be accepted by others, who may have their own voice in the matter.

Well that's all just a bit contradictory.  God created these people in the most perfect way because, of course, he's the most perfect of all gods.  Some of them remain perfect, like you, others, however, chose to become homosexual because god gave them free will.  God calls this a sin, but, still, he loves them anyway because he's such a loving god.

You can't say god created people "in his image" and then blame people for imperfections, it's a logical contradiction.  If there are any imperfect people, it's because your god created imperfection, and now blames his imperfect creations with "sin," but, as you say, he loves them anyway.  Congratulations, pure nonsense.
God created man in His "image" that is true.  However, we are not God, nor a spirit, and are strictly human, which includes emotions, health whether good or poor, and so much more.  However, we are to do our best to live as well as we can - a lot of this directed towards others according to behavior, attitudes, actions, etc.  He makes it clear what He thinks of certain ways of living and of certain behaviors and attitudes.  He also says to love our neighbor, our parents, etc.  Those who will spend eternity with God will NOT experience any of those negative things anymore (sadness, bad health, bad people, hurting, etc.)

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 02:32:14 pm »
God L   :heart:  VES  everyone!   :peace:

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Re: Whats your opnion?
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 02:51:46 pm »
Those who will spend eternity with God will NOT experience any of those negative things anymore (sadness, bad health, bad people, hurting, etc.)

That remains merely a religious belief, supported by nothing more than blind religious faith.  Such beliefs are irrational, not only due to internal inconsistancies, (the prejudiced and bigoted beliefs held by xtians who expect to "spend eternity with 'g-d' will suddenly vanish once the bus pulls into the 'heaven' depot?), but to the complete lack of supporting evidence.
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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