What Is Your Evidence?

[egypt31]

Wow there are some mean people in this world. Do I believe in a "god"? No, but I don't bash those that do... in fact I really hope that when I die a gentelmen named St. Peter meets me at some pearly gates and says "No".  I will be relieved that my friends and familly didn't waste their lives on false hope. Again, I really do hope this happens.

you rock and your quote was appreciated by many users on FC I am sure. Some of these people are mean huh, if there is infact a God which I believe I'm sure he's not happy with them.

[falcon9]

I see consistent requests for VALID proof or evidence, and the consistent failure to provide ANY.
 
What is it that you consider is "making sure no proof is ever presented"??  How exactly is the presentation of proof  being thwarted?
   
And nothing that could be "remotely be perceived as proof" has been "disqualified" and/or "devalued", because nothing has ever been provided that COULD be perceived as proof (even remotely).

“He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for belief in one false principle is the beginning of all unwisdom.”
--anonymous

There are a lot of things that are unprovable but yet we all know them to be true.  You cannot prove your love for another (or any emotion for another -- or even your view of another).  You can only demonstrate your willingness to present the experience of these things as you sense them.  You cannot prove them though.

So, instead of providing evidence, a tacit admission of making "unprovable" religious claims is made through an analogy?  Indirectly demonstrating the existence of a human emotion, (or a "belief"), does not confer validity upon the subject of the emotion nor existence of an object of belief.  Such concepts as "love", "hate", "disgust", "religious delusions", etc. are intangibles which can/may only influence tangibles indirectly. Even then, attributing aspects of 'influence' to those intangible concepts is a more subjective and subject to skepticism.

 

[falcon9]

Some of these people are mean huh, if there is infact a God which I believe I'm sure he's not happy with them.

"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it."
-- Carl Sagan

"You can safely say that you have made g-d in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people
you do."
-- Reverend Robert Cromey

[egypt31]

I think that the ones voicing their opposing opinions to the post I made initially, "What is your Evidence?", are people who obviously have no evidence in their lives and are very ticked off at those who do. 

No, what has been presented as "evidence" is not evidential; it's unsubstantiated attributions and hearsay which dodges the burden of proof obligation.

It is sad that they don't realize that no matter how much bashing, name calling and belittling they do to whoever wants to post to this subject, they can't undo or eradicate someone's personal experience from their life. 

The only trouble with that is, someone misattributing "personal experience from their life" to a supernatural cause does not constitute valid evidence of their claims.  Empty religious claims are intentionally deceptive.  Being intentionally deceptive is counter to honor.

What is your Evidence. I have seen nothing in any of your replies or quotes that carries any evidence. no solid proof just a bunch of down grading comments, with absolutely no evidence what so ever so , whats your evidence, wheres your proof??

[falcon9]

I'm not religious but I say that our thoughts are our own and as long as they don't hurt others why not believe what you want.

Because incorrect beliefs are usually not benign. Just look at all of those people on shows like Obsessed. Even if they live alone without much contact with others, they are greatly harming themselves, which in turn, makes them less worthwhile people when it comes to contributing to society.

... and it makes me feel better each day to think that. What is the problem.

Because in the vast majority of cases, people cannot keep their beliefs contained to these neat little areas. Delusional thoughts are not as innocent as you think. They have a way of infecting nearly every aspect of your day-to-day life, causing you to do crazy things or make choices you otherwise wouldn't have. Also, even if you don't do the really horrible acts that religion brings out in some people, you are still supporting an incorrect majority by buying into these lies. The last thing a bigoted, hateful person needs is a bunch of other sheep who also claim his god is real.

[falcon9]

What is your Evidence.

The burden of proof, (providing supportive evidence), rests with those who initiate claims - like the religious adherents have done, sans evidence.  On the other hand, challenging those claims doesn't constitute making counter-claims.

I have seen nothing in any of your replies or quotes that carries any evidence.

"Evidence" of what?  Logic refutes illogic and constitutes a line of reasoning, (as opposed to illogical religious contentions which contain no rational lines of reasoning), illogic cannot refute logic.

[duroz]

Don't let the inmates scare you away.

I'm not religious but I say that our thoughts are our own and as long as they don't hurt others why not believe what you want.

Because incorrect beliefs are usually not benign. Just look at all of those people on shows like Obsessed. Even if they live alone without much contact with others, they are greatly harming themselves, which in turn, makes them less worthwhile people when it comes to contributing to society.

.. and it makes me feel better each day to think that. What is the problem.

Because in the vast majority of cases, people cannot keep their beliefs contained to these neat little areas. Delusional thoughts are not as innocent as you think. They have a way of infecting nearly every aspect of your day-to-day life, causing you to do crazy things or make choices you otherwise wouldn't have. Also, even if you don't do the really horrible acts that religion brings out in some people, you are still supporting an incorrect majority by buying into these lies. The last thing a bigoted, hateful person needs is a bunch of other sheep who also claim his god is real.

“A casual stroll through a lunatic asylum shows that faith proves nothing.”
--Nietzsche

[duroz]

Wow, you totally destroyed my belief in the magical, mystical properties and strengths of poptarts, what is there left for me to believe in now, I suddenly feel so alone and helpless?

"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact, history, and pizza."
--Penn Jillette

Are you SURE there weren't ANY poptarts squeezed in there? I feel so bad now for alaric99x......

[falcon9]

Wow, you totally destroyed my belief in the magical, mystical properties and strengths of poptarts, what is there left for me to believe in now, I suddenly feel so alone and helpless?

"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact, history, and pizza."
--Penn Jillette

Are you SURE there weren't ANY poptarts squeezed in there? I feel so bad now for alaric99x......

Maybe Teller would have amended Penn and said, 'It's accurate to say that the bible contains equal amounts of facts, evidence and poptarts'?

[duroz]

Wow, you totally destroyed my belief in the magical, mystical properties and strengths of poptarts, what is there left for me to believe in now, I suddenly feel so alone and helpless?

"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact, history, and pizza."
--Penn Jillette

Are you SURE there weren't ANY poptarts squeezed in there? I feel so bad now for alaric99x......

Maybe Teller would have amended Penn and said, 'It's accurate to say that the bible contains equal amounts of facts, evidence and poptarts'?

YES!!!! By jove, I think you've got it!!






(Unless Teller wanted to have the poptarts AND also keep the pizza....?)

[egypt31]

So many have viciously made fun of my seeing the angel I described at the beginning of these posts, But I do believe the topic is  What is your evidence, not what is the Evidence, so it was asking what proved this to me, what is your proof? I needed no proof I had faith before this citing, although this citing has helped me to understand many things in this life. Has anyone on this cite been to Egypt, Jerusalem, the red sea, any of the places mentioned in the bible,Did Jesus not die, is there not proof of this in almost every country on earth. Do you deny that there is proof that Jesus died, And also that Jesus lived? Have you read the bible? Do you realize for all you people that needed proof there was proof, that still just wasn't enough for you. Did you realize there were stones placed during the old testament times that were left as proof for all to come. Do you deny that the Isrealites exist, do you deny that there were twelve tribes. Have you ever seen a real sling, like it talks about in the written documentation of David and Goliath, I have one in my room. I ask again where is your evidence, Do you deny the fact that there were 12 disciples, because world wide this is a known fact.... What about the proof that the seventh day is  Saturday yet almost every church around goes to church on Sunday, the first day of the week, even the believers, blatantly dis- obeying the 4th commandment. where is your proof that this isn't going on even as we speak this day. Some day you will see my evidence I hope it is not too late by then. God the creator of all things do you think he owes you evidence, do you think if he gave it you would believe it any ways or would you say well that's not proof that's just hear say. Or I was only imagining that, so for those who commented on my seeing an angel maybe that is why he showed me and not you.

The proof is in the pudding, just try using water instead of milk and tell me how it comes out!!!!!

[duroz]

Do you deny that there is proof that Jesus died, And also that Jesus lived?

No, a MAN named Jesus did live and die.....A MAN.
Denying the existence of supernatural beings, however....that would get a YES vote.

God the creator of all things do you think he owes you evidence.......

No but unless "he" (or anyone) provides evidence, then there's certainly no reason for belief.

.....do you think if he gave it you would believe it any ways or would you say well that's not proof that's just hear say.

If (that's IF) any ACTUAL proof or evidence was ever provided, it would be a different story.....but there hasn't ever been any proof - ACTUAL evidence or proof - so why should anyone believe in that which does not exist?

"The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike."
--Thomas Vernon

[falcon9]

So many have viciously made fun of my seeing the angel I described at the beginning of these posts, But I do believe the topic is  What is your evidence, not what is the Evidence, so it was asking what proved this to me, what is your proof?

Dubious 'witness' testimony does not constitute valid evidence; it's merely a religious claim sans evidence in this instance.  Especially when such 'testimony' is challenged to provide substantive evidence and none is forthcoming, ("belief" is not substantive evidence, it's simply an empty religious opinion which is based upon "faith" ... "faith being that for which eschews evidence and which specifically lacks it).

I needed no proof I had faith before this citing, although this citing has helped me to understand many things in this life.

Precisely; which means that the dubious religious 'witness' non-evidentiary testimony was extraneous by your own admission and based upon "faith", (that which has no supportive evidence).  No evidence means that the religious contention is an unsupported one.
 

Do you deny that there is proof that Jesus died, And also that Jesus lived?

Lots of people have lived and died.  There is no evidence to support the biblical claim of any zombie "resurrection", which renders it a dubious contention.

Have you read the bible? Do you realize for all you people that needed proof there was proof ...

A collection of ancient religious claims which lack substantiating evidence does not constitute valid "proof" of those claims.

I ask again where is your evidence ...

Although the question is vague, (no subject is specified for evidentiary support), the implication appears to be a request for "evidence" to support a negative contention, (that something doesn't exist?).  If not, the context can only be guessed at.

Some day you will see my evidence I hope it is not too late by then.

No actual evidence has been presented thusfar.  Belief/faith, unsupported contentions are not evidentiary.

God the creator of all things do you think he owes you evidence, do you think if he gave it you would believe it any ways(?)

No, you believers are making such claims and the burden of proof, (providing supporting evidence), rests with such claimants.  If your 'g-d' did exist, wouldn't such an entity be capable of providing incontrovertible evidence of existence?  What is the actual, (not speculated), purpose of requiring 'faith"-sans-evidence?
 

...or would you say well that's not proof that's just hear say. Or I was only imagining that, so for those who commented on my seeing an angel maybe that is why he showed me and not you.

Your 'witness testimony' does consist of unsupported hearsay, not valid evidence.  You aren't debating youyr contentions, you're making unsupported proselytizing religious declarations instead.  

[egypt31]

So many have viciously made fun of my seeing the angel I described at the beginning of these posts, But I do believe the topic is  What is your evidence, not what is the Evidence, so it was asking what proved this to me, what is your proof?

Dubious 'witness' testimony does not constitute valid evidence; it's merely a religious claim sans evidence in this instance.  Especially when such 'testimony' is challenged to provide substantive evidence and none is forthcoming, ("belief" is not substantive evidence, it's simply an empty religious opinion which is based upon "faith" ... "faith being that for which eschews evidence and which specifically lacks it).

I needed no proof I had faith before this citing, although this citing has helped me to understand many things in this life.

Incorrect I said before the citing I had faith, Seeing what i saw was Evidence enough to me even knowing all you criticizers were here, that I still replied truth no matter what your reply back to me wold be, to me that is evidence all to itself. Where is your proof there is no God, your evidence is not there, where is your evidence, show me, not a bunch of words smashed together trying to make yourself sound smart, where is your evidence.

Precisely; which means that the dubious religious 'witness' non-evidentiary testimony was extraneous by your own admission and based upon "faith", (that which has no supportive evidence).  No evidence means that the religious contention is an unsupported one.
 

Do you deny that there is proof that Jesus died, And also that Jesus lived?

Lots of people have lived and died.  There is no evidence to support the biblical claim of any zombie "resurrection", which renders it a dubious contention.

Have you read the bible? Do you realize for all you people that needed proof there was proof ...

A collection of ancient religious claims which lack substantiating evidence does not constitute valid "proof" of those claims.

I ask again where is your evidence ...

Although the question is vague, (no subject is specified for evidentiary support), the implication appears to be a request for "evidence" to support a negative contention, (that something doesn't exist?).  If not, the context can only be guessed at.

Some day you will see my evidence I hope it is not too late by then.

No actual evidence has been presented thusfar.  Belief/faith, unsupported contentions are not evidentiary.

God the creator of all things do you think he owes you evidence, do you think if he gave it you would believe it any ways(?)

No, you believers are making such claims and the burden of proof, (providing supporting evidence), rests with such claimants.  If your 'g-d' did exist, wouldn't such an entity be capable of providing incontrovertible evidence of existence?  What is the actual, (not speculated), purpose of requiring 'faith"-sans-evidence?
 

...or would you say well that's not proof that's just hear say. Or I was only imagining that, so for those who commented on my seeing an angel maybe that is why he showed me and not you.

Your 'witness testimony' does consist of unsupported hearsay, not valid evidence.  You aren't debating youyr contentions, you're making unsupported proselytizing religious declarations instead.  

[falcon9]

I said before the citing I had faith, Seeing what i saw was Evidence enough to me even knowing all you criticizers were here, that I still replied truth no matter what your reply back to me wold be, to me that is evidence all to itself.

Once again, simply claiming that such was 'witnessed' does not constitute valid evidence; it is merely your unsupported faith-based contention.

Where is your proof there is no God, your evidence is not there, where is your evidence, show me, not a bunch of words smashed together trying to make yourself sound smart, where is your evidence.

Although some things can be shown not to exist, requesting evidence to support a negative contention, ('prove Santa, easter bunny, fairies, elves, invisible pink unicorns' don't exist is an insistence upon a logical fallacy ... prove that you're not an idiot, etc.), indicates a diminished understanding of logical reasoning and does not confer validity on a specious claim.  Because there are nearly an infinite number of things which cannot be proven not to exist, it is more rational to require that those claiming the existence of something, (such as 'g-d'), support their claim with evidence.