What Is Your Evidence?

[ccwillis]

The evidence that the Bible played an important part in the United States is found all around. For example, we have such cities as Bethlehem, Pennsylvania;Smyrna, Georgia; and Moab, Utah. The McGuffey's Reader was used in many schools for nearly a century. The McGuffey's Reader contained moral and biblical references, alongside classical material. In Washington, DC religious references are found throughout the Capitol. The House Chamber contains the reference: "In God We Trust." In the *bleep* Corridor are the words: "America, God send His grace on Thee."  As Madison wrote,'A right towardmen is a duty toward the Creator....'As Jefferson asked,'Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?' We can find quotes all over (facon9).

[falcon9]

The evidence that the Bible played an important part in the United States is found all around. 
We can find quotes all over (facon9).

You misunderstand the concept of "evidence"; the 'bible' isn't evidence of anything substantive since it consists of hearsay.  The use of such hearsay by some U.S. citizens is not evidence of the veracity of 'biblical' contents.

"It's fair to say that the Bible contains equal amounts of fact, history, and pizza."
--Penn Jillette

[jcribb16]

Lets just be honest.  There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

You are exactly right, and I totally agree.

[jcribb16]

There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

Let me make a basic example as to what's going on here-

Let's say you think Poptarts cured your cold. Fine. No quarrels needed. But suddenly you start shouting and praising Poptarts saying it's the the cure for the common cold. People take interest in hearing how it did so. Suddenly more sick people are eating pop-tarts and other junkfood. It's obvious to anyone who reads the side of the box to know that eating a lot of poptarts is not healthy. Moreover it's quite obvious that Poptarts don't cure illnesses. We talk to you and tell you that your "evidences" of Poptarts curing your cold are not correct as there were many other factors at play- you had seen a doctor, you had taken a few random meds, you slept well and kept yourself in good spirits, you had plenty of chicken soup and water, etc. etc.

Suddenly you're getting mad at us and tell us we're wrong because you like the sweet taste of Poptarts and you just know they cured your cold. We ask you to show us how it did so with basic evidence, and you tell us we're being rude and devaluing your belief in the all-powerful Poptarts. So suddenly we're the bad guys for challenging your assertion that your empty belief is true?

So please- show us some evidence that your god is helping you (or poptarts can cure the common cold). If you can't, fine! Argument over. If you want to still believe, fine! No problem on this end. Just keep it to yourself so you don't sound like some arrogant self-righteous narcissistic zealot.

I'm sorry but that comparison is like trying to compare apples to oranges, as people say. 

[Falconer02]

I'm sorry but that comparison is like trying to compare apples to oranges, as people say.  

I fail to see your point since you provide no explanation. There's no proof that Poptarts cure colds, nor is there evidence your god speaks or works for you. My point was simply 'Believe what you wish, but if you speak up about them as truths, don't get angry at the skeptics if your belief holds no weight.'. It's a practical message.

[alaric99x]

Wow, you totally destroyed my belief in the magical, mystical properties and strengths of poptarts, what is there left for me to believe in now, I suddenly feel so alone and helpless?

[falcon9]

Wow, you totally destroyed my belief in the magical, mystical properties and strengths of poptarts, what is there left for me to believe in now, I suddenly feel so alone and helpless?

The ones with the sprinkles are said to still be helpful against the sniffles though ...

[duroz]

Lets just be honest.  There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

You are exactly right, and I totally agree.

I totally disagree.....I'd say that momoney555 is NOT exactly right exactly WRONG.

I see consistent requests for VALID proof or evidence, and the consistent failure to provide ANY.
 
What is it that you consider is "making sure no proof is ever presented"??  How exactly is the presentation of proof  being thwarted?
    
And nothing that could be "remotely be perceived as proof" has been "disqualified" and/or "devalued", because nothing has ever been provided that COULD be perceived as proof (even remotely).


“He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for belief in one false principle is the beginning of all unwisdom.”
--anonymous

[vp44]

Yes I do believe in God and no Im am of no religion. I beieve because we all just didnt show up on this earth so someone  or something created us.

Such 'reasoning' is faulty because it eschews actual reasoning; the conclusion does not logically follow from the false dichotomy inherent in the premise.

Really, Im assuming then you figured out how we got here.....

[BJohnsonPP]

Yes I do believe in God and no Im am of no religion. I beieve because we all just didnt show up on this earth so someone  or something created us.

Such 'reasoning' is faulty because it eschews actual reasoning; the conclusion does not logically follow from the false dichotomy inherent in the premise.

Really, Im assuming then you figured out how we got here.....

So what you're saying is if I don't have an answer that means your answer is correct? So if we were asked what's 2 + 2 and I said "I don't know" and you said "seven", you're correct?

Also, you haven't answered your question with god, you've simply added another question on top of your initial one. You're saying we didn't all just show up on this earth (no one said that by the way so your premise is false) but somehow you believe your god can just show up? According to your beliefs god is more complex than us yet it's impossible for us to "just show up" but somehow a more complex being can "just show up"?

Do you seriously not see the flaws in your statements?

[queenofnines]

The evidence that the Bible played an important part in the United States is found all around.

Okay, I don't really see your point here. None of these examples prove that your god exists, or give any credit to your case when you consider there are quotes from all sorts of texts and pagan/Greek/Roman influences everywhere.

[queenofnines]

Don't let the inmates scare you away.

"Inmates"?! You are making people who write for a living cry everywhere with your nonsensical choice of name-calling.

They need to hear the reality of a believers experience, whether they accept it or not.

And here we have another ignorant believer who assumes all atheists were always atheists. 

And by the way God does give to unbelievers also, but money is probably all you receive..

That's a laughable suggestion. So your deity is concerned with our meaningless paper currency, is he? But if I'm lying bleeding on the side of the road, he'll tell me to F off?

[queenofnines]

I'm not religious but I say that our thoughts are our own and as long as they don't hurt others why not believe what you want.

Because incorrect beliefs are usually not benign. Just look at all of those people on shows like Obsessed. Even if they live alone without much contact with others, they are greatly harming themselves, which in turn, makes them less worthwhile people when it comes to contributing to society.

.. and it makes me feel better each day to think that. What is the problem.

Because in the vast majority of cases, people cannot keep their beliefs contained to these neat little areas. Delusional thoughts are not as innocent as you think. They have a way of infecting nearly every aspect of your day-to-day life, causing you to do crazy things or make choices you otherwise wouldn't have. Also, even if you don't do the really horrible acts that religion brings out in some people, you are still supporting an incorrect majority by buying into these lies. The last thing a bigoted, hateful person needs is a bunch of other sheep who also claim his god is real.

[queenofnines]

Lets just be honest.  There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

Exactly. 

lol I agreed with this thinking we was talking about the Bible set, but I suppose not after reviewing previous posts in this thread. 

[Abrupt]

Lets just be honest.  There is no proof for you nor are you looking for proof.  That is not your mission. Your mission, and the mission of all those like you, is to make sure no proof is ever presented and to quickly disqualify and devalue anything that may remotely be perceived as proof because it could expose your pointless ideology for the horse manure that it is!

You are exactly right, and I totally agree.

I totally disagree.....I'd say that momoney555 is NOT exactly right.

I see consistent requests for VALID proof or evidence, and the consistent failure to provide ANY.
 
What is it that you consider is "making sure no proof is ever presented"??  How exactly is the presentation of proof  being thwarted?
   
And nothing that could be "remotely be perceived as proof" has been "disqualified" and/or "devalued", because nothing has ever been provided that COULD be perceived as proof (even remotely).


“He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for belief in one false principle is the beginning of all unwisdom.”
--anonymous

There are a lot of things that are unprovable but yet we all know them to be true.  You cannot prove your love for another (or any emotion for another -- or even your view of another).  You can only demonstrate your willingness to present the experience of these things as you sense them.  You cannot prove them though.  It is like a romantic interest that requests proof of the others love -- such a thing can never be done and all you can ever do is show your willingness to demonstrate your devotion or comply to the conditions of the deman.  This topic is no different than had one started a thread of "What is your evidence of love?" or "What is your evidence of hate?" or other such things that we all know to be true but could never prove (even blood chemistry and brain imagery doesn't prove them).