How can someone be born gay?

[kaitsilva]

The same way you can be born straight, you bigot. You never made a conscious decision to be that way, you just were.

If there's one thing I hate about these forums, it's the homophobic HATE by the bucketful. Stop thinking so highly of your lifestyle and putting down people who are different than you. Nothing the gay community does hurt you, so get over yourself. If this were the 1960s and a racial issue, some of you are basically on par with KKK members toward gays.

And yes, this is coming from a straight woman who was taught by good, decent parents to be tolerant of others' differences as long as those differences don't hurt anyone. The end.

[sgluckadoo]

There is an argument that sexual orientation is at least in part, in some people, a matter of genetics.

[vicogden]

I don't understand your point ("How can a baby be gay?")... Babies aren't sexual (hetero- or homo-) simply because they aren't old enough... however, they can carry the DNA/RNA in their systems that will affect their sexuality as adults.

[falcon9]

You are the opposite of a Bible Thumpper and honestly seem to have entirely too much time on your hands to fill a forum with your beliefs.  

I agree that I'm the polar opposite of a religiously-proselytizing bible-thumper, (since I have no 'bible' to thump and logic cannot be properly 'proselytized').  What, exactly are you assuming my "beliefs" to be?  

You know I am not going to convince you that God is real no more than you are going to convince me he is not. 

The difference is that I haven't claimed the 'reality' of a hypothetical egregore and you have, (using blind faith in lieu of substantive evidence).

I am set in my ways and you are set in yours. We both know who we are.

Indeed; you are "set in" your fundamentalist "ways" and I remain reliant upon an ability to reason instead.

And that is good, but this thread wasn't about religion. It makes just as much since as an atheist coming into a religious discussion putting down religion as it does a christian going into a atheist discussion and trying to convert them to christian. 

You misunderstand the purpose of dissenting opposition; I'm not "trying to convert them to" xtianity. Conversely, xtian proselytization/propagandizing religious beliefs inherently tries to convert, (e.g., so-called "missionaries" - witness the american indians as evidence).

That's all I am saying. You are wasting your typing skills on me.

Consider that this is a public forum and that responses are not for you, personally.  They are made in reply to the religious nonsense you freely chose to post, (and others are as free to post opposing viewpoints as xtians are to propagandize their religious beliefs).

  If you would like me to follow you around and quote your anti-christian babble in unrelated discussions and say "God bless" after each as a Bible thumpper would do I will. If not please do not be anti-God thumpping me with your scientific babble.

Thank you for providing a direct threat to troll/call-out.  This will be provided in evidence should you carry out your 'threat'. My replies have occurred in those threads where such "bible-thumping" or religious proselytizing occurs, (although you have a point about xtians posting such in unrelated threads/forums initially).

I like your country club comment though.  You are really something. Next you will even be adding the dumb blond jokes! Really?

You've managed to miss the 'xtian country club' point in your faith-blindness then.  That point was/is that the FC forums/threads do not consitute some sort of exclusive domain for unopposed xtian religious prosselytization.  I haven't speculated as to your hair color in this regard since that's only relevent if you're "dumb".

What do I think your belief's are?
I think you are an atheist a non-believer ...

A non-belief isn't a "belief", (it's the opposite, just as disbelief is the opposite of "belief").  Atheism does not consist of beliefs, religious or otherwise.  Logic/reason are not "beliefs" - they're rational methodologies, (as opposed to irrational methodologies such as religious beliefs).

[jenniferhoder]

I completely agree that the positive thoughts first thing in the morning does help.
If you tell yourself that you are not going to allow anything to bring you down, it CAN work! Too bad everyone doesn't feel this way!!

[queenofnines]

So many things about you are not actually determined by you; they're based off of your genes. You can't pick your skin color, natural talents, certain aspects of your personality, who you are attracted to, etc. Does that make sense?

[Cuppycake]

We are ALL inherently female to start with which is why hermaphrodites are able to be born to begin with. Anyone that thinks it is not possible for someone to be born gay is ignorant and oblivious to reality. I find that those that do choose to ignore fact for religious fiction live in fantasy land choosing fairy tales over truth.

[alice44]

BOY - Take a controversial subject like this and see what comes out of the woodwork.  Too bad some of the other fun posts don't get the same response.

[JediJohnnie]

It's just a poor excuse to justify deviant behavior.By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?

[lynnc35]

I don't know how. I think it is something someone chooses to act upon.

[falcon9]

We are ALL inherently female to start with which is why hermaphrodites are able to be born to begin with. Anyone that thinks it is not possible for someone to be born gay is ignorant and oblivious to reality. I find that those that do choose to ignore fact for religious fiction live in fantasy land choosing fairy tales over truth.

     Bravo!

[sigmapi1501]

It's just a poor excuse to justify deviant behavior.By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?

In this spirit of love the sinner, hate the sin...  I'm not saying that YOU are an idiot, but this statement IS idiotic.

[falcon9]

By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?

Only if pedofilia is genetic. As opposed to being born 'a manicure tool', ("pedifile"{sic}).

Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?

Why not?  We're "supposed to allow" xtians to act on their deviant, santimonious religious behaviour, (although not because they were "born again" that way, but because you can't fix stupid per/Ron White).

[sigmapi1501]

As far as being a bigot apparently that could go both ways since you can not accept others points of view without shouting and going into name calling. (Saying people are not smart) I do not call names. I know a few gays, and I let them go peacefully on their way. I do not befriend them either when society puts you around someone you don't like you should act like a mature adult about it. I call that the co-worker syndrome you don't have to like them but you got to get along with them until the end of the day as civilly as possible.

I was not lying I would disown one of my children if they told me they were gay. It will always be wrong in my book. And I would accept it even less if it were my child.

So... you define a bigot, admit to mirror said behavior, THEN claim not to be a bigot???  Genius.
This remind me of the drug addicted negligent mother who loudly declares "I'm a good mother"...  Just saying that you aren't a bigot doesn't mean you aren't one. Bigot.

I stand by my declaration that you are not smart.

Calling someone a bigot when you are one of the biggest bigots of them all. Says a lot about your character doesn't it.

What makes me a bigot? Because you say so? 

[falcon9]

It's just a poor excuse to justify deviant behavior.By the same logic,are some people born pedifiles?Are we supposed to allow them to act on thier deviant behavior because they were born that way?

In this spirit of love the sinner, hate the sin...  I'm not saying that YOU are an idiot, but this statement IS idiotic.

He's not an idiot; JJ's remark just 'happens' to share the same characteristics and defining parameters of idiocy by pure 'coincidence'.