SENDING DAILY PRAYER

[jcribb16]

Please pray for my best friends son.  He is going through some marriage problems.  Pray both will  put Christ first in their marriage and seek His guidance.

I will be praying for them both.  I hope everything works out for them.

[jcribb16]

Please pray for my best friends son.  He is going through some marriage problems.  Pray both will  put Christ first in their marriage and seek His guidance.

No.  Why should someone put a hypothetical egregore before their existing spouse?

"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

Why?  Because they choose to.  It's not up to you what they do in their personal lives.

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Entire religions are built upon false attributions.
-- falcon9

Opinionated opinion quote.

[jcribb16]

How is it that a prayer thread got moved to the D&D?

We can thank the couple of posters who don't respect other people's choices and have to make a mockery, and then when others say something back to them, it becomes a debate.  Interesting, right???!!!

[sigmapi1501]

"I'll pray for you" = "I don't wanna do anything to ACTUALLY help you, but I wanna feel good about myself"

[falcon9]

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Entire religions are built upon false attributions.
-- falcon9

Opinionated opinion quote.

Says a proselytizing xtian fundie - now there's an ironic "opinion" alright.

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

[falcon9]

Please pray for my best friends son.  He is going through some marriage problems.  Pray both will  put Christ first in their marriage and seek His guidance.

No.  Why should someone put a hypothetical egregore before their existing spouse?

"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

Why?

Because they choose to.  It's not up to you what they do in their personal lives.

True however, once their religious self-delusions start impacting other people, (like spouses, defenseless young children subjected to religious propaganda), then they're making it other people's business.  Similarly, once those religious self-delusions extend beyond the confines of the religious adherent's 'mind' and start requesting intercessory magical rituals on the behalf of themselves or others, it again becomes 'public' business - posted on an open forum.

Those who choose to perform such intercessory magical rituals can do so, just as others who choose not to can indicate their preference.  

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
-- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

[falcon9]

"I'll pray for you" = "I don't wanna do anything to ACTUALLY help you, but I wanna feel good about myself"

Exactly.  How rude and insulting is that sentiment; "here's some false comfort instead of pragmatic assistance" & 'thanks for nothing,
blind-faither'?

[jcribb16]

Please pray for my best friends son.  He is going through some marriage problems.  Pray both will  put Christ first in their marriage and seek His guidance.

No.  Why should someone put a hypothetical egregore before their existing spouse?

"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

Why?

Because they choose to.  It's not up to you what they do in their personal lives.

True however, once their religious self-delusions start impacting other people, (like spouses, defenseless young children subjected to religious propaganda), then they're making it other people's business.  Similarly, once those religious self-delusions extend beyond the confines of the religious adherent's 'mind' and start requesting intercessory magical rituals on the behalf of themselves or others, it again becomes 'public' business - posted on an open forum.

Those who choose to perform such intercessory magical rituals can do so, just as others who choose not to can indicate their preference.  

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
-- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

Instead of telling them no, that you don't do that or believe in that, you go all out with adding disrespectful and disparaging words, which cuts down and mocks what they, themselves believe.  Something Thomas Jefferson did not do.  What you are doing - would Jefferson be ever so proud of your words and how you treat Christians for what they believe?  No, because he wasn't that type of role model for his country.

You, also, have never apparently seen just how powerful prayer can be.  It is most definitely NOT rude and insulting to pray for someone, including when asked to please pray for someone.  Prayer works.

 And just because it's on a public forum, doesn't mean YOU, yourself, are being forced or coerced into opening those particular threads.  If threads don't apply to you and what you approve or don't approve of, then you don't have to go into them.  However, once you do CHOOSE, and then remark the things you do, then you are also putting yourself in public to be responded to for your rude and insulting remarks.  Everyone knows you apparently aren't going to use the "Ignore" button that you so routinely remind others of - you would rather go in and agitate.  Others aren't going to take that lightly.  And while some may ignore, others try and say something back - only to be cut off or down, others leave because of how you made them feel (yes, some take it personal,) there will be others who will stand up for themselves and for those others, especially newbies who are joyfully sharing what they believe or feel.  They do not deserve that kind of disrespect for speaking of how they are feeling or thinking.  Especially in the off-topic threads.  You know this and yet CHOOSE to make matters worse.

[falcon9]

Instead of telling them no, that you don't do that or believe in that, you go all out with adding disrespectful and disparaging words, which cuts down and mocks what they, themselves believe. 

Just as you choose to continue characterizing replies you don't agree with as "disrespectful and disparaging", others can choose to challenge the efficacy of magical intercessory rituals and the religious beliefs underLying them.  Instead of debating such context, you've chosen to keep trying to suppress opposing viewpoints by designating them as 'impolite' and others have chosen to disregard such tactics.

You, also, have never apparently seen just how powerful prayer can be.

Such placebo effects have been discussed before.  It's a matter of false attribution when it comes to such magical intercessory rituals as "prayer". 

It is most definitely NOT rude and insulting to pray for someone, including when asked to please pray for someone.  Prayer works.

On the contrary, religious adherents may not consider it to be rude but, non-religious people can and do.  Attributing some placebo effects to the magical intercessory ritual of "prayer" does not mean that such "works" and is a specious attribution lacking supporting evidence, (which does not come from religious adherents because that would be self-serving hearsay and not 'evidence').

And just because it's on a public forum, doesn't mean YOU, yourself, are being forced or coerced into opening those particular threads.  If threads don't apply to you and what you approve or don't approve of, then you don't have to go into them. 

The same applies to you or, any other religious adherent who does not want to read opposing viewpoints to religious propagandizing - you don't have to read/reply to them.  If you do, you've chosen to and no one forced you to do so.
 

However, once you do CHOOSE, and then remark the things you do, then you are also putting yourself in public to be responded to for your rude and insulting remarks. 

This also applies to your posts; there's no 'free pass' for religious proselytization which precludes oppsoing replies to it.  Once again, these forums and threads are not some kind of exclusive xtian country club.  Religious proselytization is deemed as "rude and insulting" yet, it is generally permissible under 'freedom of speech', just as opposing remarks are, (which is differentiated from religious propaganda being 'protected as an endangered species').
 

... there will be others who will stand up for themselves and for those others, especially newbies who are joyfully sharing what they believe or feel. 

"Sharing what they believe" means publically proselytizing religious propaganda and others who choose to stand up against that in the same public venues have the same opportunity to do so as religious adherents do.

They do not deserve that kind of disrespect for speaking of how they are feeling or thinking.  Especially in the off-topic threads.  

Neither the off topic, debate + discuss, (where this particular thread now is), nor any other thread/forum are exclusive xtian country clubs.  That will be reiterated until it sinks in for religious adherents.  If it never sinks in, it'll continue to be reiterated.  As far as "disrespect" goes, the entire religion of xtianity is 'disrespectful' of other beliefs/non-beliefs as evidenced by the dark ages, the inquisitions and the crusades, (as being the same set of religious beliefs used to 'justify' those and many more atrocities).

[jcribb16]

Instead of telling them no, that you don't do that or believe in that, you go all out with adding disrespectful and disparaging words, which cuts down and mocks what they, themselves believe. 

Just as you choose to continue characterizing replies you don't agree with as "disrespectful and disparaging", others can choose to challenge the efficacy of magical intercessory rituals and the religious beliefs underLying them.  Instead of debating such context, you've chosen to keep trying to suppress opposing viewpoints by designating them as 'impolite' and others have chosen to disregard such tactics.

You, also, have never apparently seen just how powerful prayer can be.

Such placebo effects have been discussed before.  It's a matter of false attribution when it comes to such magical intercessory rituals as "prayer". 

It is most definitely NOT rude and insulting to pray for someone, including when asked to please pray for someone.  Prayer works.

On the contrary, religious adherents may not consider it to be rude but, non-religious people can and do.  Attributing some placebo effects to the magical intercessory ritual of "prayer" does not mean that such "works" and is a specious attribution lacking supporting evidence, (which does not come from religious adherents because that would be self-serving hearsay and not 'evidence').

And just because it's on a public forum, doesn't mean YOU, yourself, are being forced or coerced into opening those particular threads.  If threads don't apply to you and what you approve or don't approve of, then you don't have to go into them. 

The same applies to you or, any other religious adherent who does not want to read opposing viewpoints to religious propagandizing - you don't have to read/reply to them.  If you do, you've chosen to and no one forced you to do so.
 

However, once you do CHOOSE, and then remark the things you do, then you are also putting yourself in public to be responded to for your rude and insulting remarks. 

This also applies to your posts; there's no 'free pass' for religious proselytization which precludes oppsoing replies to it.  Once again, these forums and threads are not some kind of exclusive xtian country club.  Religious proselytization is deemed as "rude and insulting" yet, it is generally permissible under 'freedom of speech', just as opposing remarks are, (which is differentiated from religious propaganda being 'protected as an endangered species').
 

... there will be others who will stand up for themselves and for those others, especially newbies who are joyfully sharing what they believe or feel. 

"Sharing what they believe" means publically proselytizing religious propaganda and others who choose to stand up against that in the same public venues have the same opportunity to do so as religious adherents do.

They do not deserve that kind of disrespect for speaking of how they are feeling or thinking.  Especially in the off-topic threads.  

Neither the off topic, debate + discuss, (where this particular thread now is), nor any other thread/forum are exclusive xtian country clubs.  That will be reiterated until it sinks in for religious adherents.  If it never sinks in, it'll continue to be reiterated.  As far as "disrespect" goes, the entire religion of xtianity is 'disrespectful' of other beliefs/non-beliefs as evidenced by the dark ages, the inquisitions and the crusades, (as being the same set of religious beliefs used to 'justify' those and many more atrocities).

Just as you are giving your "dissenting" views, so am I.   
Careful, the bold and underlined part of your comment is borderline for your enjoyment of implying threats to Christians.  You are in fact making it known that you will aggravate, disrespect, etc., just because they post some threads that you don't like.  Believers are not any part of any exclusive club - everyone can post on this forum, for whatever topic.  You are the one who needs to get this through YOUR head. 

You don't like them - everyone gets that.  But it does NOT mean they have to or must stop posting.  You need to get out of your rotten nonacceptance of subjects you don't like and realize you aren't the boss of believers and cannot tell them what to do or try and make them look or feel foolish.  You can ignore them, choose to by-pass those threads, or even at least be respectful with giving your thoughts and views instead of bashing remarks.

Christians will not be hushed or stomped in the ground, sir.  Let that sink in.  No one is making you have to make a choice for God or not for God.  They are sharing what THEY enjoy with THOSE who ENJOY the same, whether believers or not.  So, please understand that you need to grow up and quit "bullying" the Christians.  You don't like what I have to say?  Ignore me!  But I will stand up for the rights of believers to have their voice of freedom in here to share things they enjoy without being stomped on.  If someone is trying to make you accept God or bashing you for not - there's  2 ways to look at that:  1. You only get what you give (Golden Rule); 2. I would side with you, then, because they should not make you or bash you to accept God or for not accepting God.  Problem is - you don't offer the same respect - what a rotten shame. 

[sigmapi1501]

To say that christians aren't trying to force their incorrect view of God upon others is completely false. If all you wanted to do was live with false hope your entire life nobody would care.

But your cult tries to make their way the law of the land! I have heard "this is a christian nation" too many times. So, it HAS gotten to a point where christianity is no longer a harmless cult of blind faithers. It is becoming a threat to the way of life for anyone with the critical thinking skills to realize Jesus was just a really good guy with dirty feet and there is no heaven or hell.

[falcon9]

Instead of telling them no, that you don't do that or believe in that, you go all out with adding disrespectful and disparaging words ...

Just as you choose to continue characterizing replies you don't agree with as "disrespectful and disparaging", others can choose to challenge the efficacy of magical intercessory rituals and the religious beliefs underLying them.  Instead of debating such context, you've chosen to keep trying to suppress opposing viewpoints by designating them as 'impolite' and others have chosen to disregard such tactics.

However, once you do CHOOSE, and then remark the things you do, then you are also putting yourself in public to be responded to for your rude and insulting remarks.

This also applies to your posts; there's no 'free pass' for religious proselytization which precludes opposing replies to it.  Once again, these forums and threads are not some kind of exclusive xtian country club.  Religious proselytization is deemed as "rude and insulting" yet, it is generally permissible under 'freedom of speech', just as opposing remarks are, (which is differentiated from religious propaganda being 'protected as an endangered species').

Neither the off topic, debate + discuss, (where this particular thread now is), nor any other thread/forum are exclusive xtian country clubs.  That will be reiterated until it sinks in for religious adherents.  If it never sinks in, it'll continue to be reiterated.  As far as "disrespect" goes, the entire religion of xtianity is 'disrespectful' of other beliefs/non-beliefs as evidenced by the dark ages, the inquisitions and the crusades, (as being the same set of religious beliefs used to 'justify' those and many more atrocities).

Just as you are giving your "dissenting" views, so am I.

   
Careful, the bold and underlined part of your comment is borderline for your enjoyment of implying threats to Christians.

There's no tangible "threat" in what was posted about reiteration, implied or otherwise. Reiterating a point for those who continually miss it is not a "threat", (even if each of us 'threaten' the other with boredom).

Believers are not any part of any exclusive club - everyone can post on this forum, for whatever topic.  You are the one who needs to get this through YOUR head.  

I've repeatedly concurred with that already; the point which still eludes you is that no one can be excluded from posting to a public forum just because they're in opposition/disagreement about a religious, (or any other topic).  For some unreason, you've been trying to restrict such opposition to whatever you consider to be 'polite/non-rude' or 'respectful'.  These are subjective terms and what you consider to be such, others do not.  Regardless, you don't get to impose your subjective "feelings" as a basis to restrict replies which you don't like.  

   Since you've rejected the most direct solution, (to use the ignore button), and have chosen to continue to attempt inhibiting opposition to religious proselytization, I can choose to continue opposing such mind-blindness.

You don't like them - everyone gets that.  But it does NOT mean they have to or must stop posting.

I never insisted/stated/asserted/implied/inferred that they "must stop posting".  Nor have I done so on the basis of such religious proselytization being the rude and disresepectful propaganda that it is, (as opposed to you, who have done so repeatedly).
  

You need to get out of your rotten nonacceptance of subjects you don't like and realize you aren't the boss of believers and cannot tell them what to do or try and make them look or feel foolish.

By the same token, you don't dictate what I "need" to do, blind-faither. As for 'making' religious adherents "look or feel foolish", they manage to do that simply by posting their religious nonsense.

Christians will not be hushed or stomped in the ground, sir.

Obviously not, since that hasn't been attempted via posting dissenting/opposing viewpoints.

So, please understand that you need to grow up and quit "bullying" the Christians.

Ah, in that case, 'you need to grow up and quit "bullying" non-xtians with your mind-blinded religious propaganda'.  That either works both way or, not at all.
  

You don't like what I have to say?  Ignore me!

Ditto.  However, there's no 'free pass' or xtian country club rule in force so, I'll choose to continue opposing religious proselytization and you can choose to keep opposing such oppostion, (and I'll oppose your opposing opposition and so on ...).
  
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
-- Susan B. Anthony

[jcribb16]

“Persecution for righteousness' sake is what every child of God must expect.”

—Charles Simeon



"...pray continually,..."

– 1 Thessalonians 5:17 (NIV)

[sigmapi1501]

“Persecution for righteousness' sake is what every child of God must expect.”

—Charles Simeon



"...pray continually,..."

– 1 Thessalonians 5:17 (NIV)

Everything that guy just said is bulls@%$"
- My cousin Vinny