Daily Bible Verse

[falcon9]

They aren't true because 'you' say they are -

That's correct; the assessments are "true" because they are factually accurate and based upon valid evidence.  Whereas yours aren't "true" because they are not based upon factual evidence and are merely your empty opinions. See the difference?  I didn't think you would since you've been unable to discern it throughout such 'discussions'.

I know you have a difficult time struggling between those assessments and assertions, but hey, it's okay - you are welcome to belittle your reputation by trying to make others appear "dishonest," etc., since we have the freedom to do just that. 

It isn't necessary for me to "struggle" with simple concepts as it is for you so, please cease projecting your inadequacies onto others.  There is no need to "make others appear dishonest" when they remove all doubt by being dishonest, (e.g., no evidence has been presented to support the religious claims you and others have made and you've attempted to dishonestly shift the burden of proof obgligation for making those initial claims onto others - these are dishonest behaviours).

[sexychocolate47]

thanks for the Daily Bible Verse response back. I like encouraging others and building them up, but today a friend had some issues with his water bill and i was trying to cheer him up by speaking about the promises of the bible from God, but the more i spoke about them, he seem to have a more of an angry attitude, and this guy was just baptised a month ago and talking about how much he loves God and how much God had done for him. I could not believe this, so i started praying in the car with him, and asked God to deal with his heart string and change his spirit from a negative angry spirit, and not to let that spirit transfer to me and i just prayed and stayed quiet all the way to his house and so did he, his spirit did not change much, but still when he was getting out, i told him to get what he needed and i would take him back up there Monday morning to get his water transfer and most people would have said no way i want deal with that again, but i have a heart for even mean hearted people, because i have been there myself and i have mercy for others and compassion and i am not even going to charge him for gas this time. He thanked me and now this is suppose to be a good friend of mine we been friends for years and he treat me like that after i dropped all i was doing to help him, but i forgive him and still love him and will help him and his lady friend out, because that is what true christians do.

[falcon9]

Promises from a hypothetical supernatural entity are empty ones. The entire concept is built upon insubstantial "faith", (which is belief without evidence).  Such a 'basis' is no basis and perpetuates self-delusions.

thanks for the Daily Bible Verse response back. I like encouraging others and building them up, but today a friend had some issues with his water bill and i was trying to cheer him up by speaking about the promises of the bible from God, but the more i spoke about them, he seem to have a more of an angry attitude, and this guy was just baptised a month ago and talking about how much he loves God and how much God had done for him. I could not believe this, so i started praying in the car with him, and asked God to deal with his heart string and change his spirit from a negative angry spirit, and not to let that spirit transfer to me and i just prayed and stayed quiet all the way to his house and so did he, his spirit did not change much, but still when he was getting out, i told him to get what he needed and i would take him back up there Monday morning to get his water transfer and most people would have said no way i want deal with that again, but i have a heart for even mean hearted people, because i have been there myself and i have mercy for others and compassion and i am not even going to charge him for gas this time. He thanked me and now this is suppose to be a good friend of mine we been friends for years and he treat me like that after i dropped all i was doing to help him, but i forgive him and still love him and will help him and his lady friend out, because that is what true christians do.

[mardukblood2009]

Don't write it or read it, DO IT!!!!!

[JediJohnnie]

It makes you wonder how Falcon9 spends his Sunday.Does he go from church to church shouting his objections and demanding to be heard in a place where he's not wanted?

[falcon9]

FusionCash forums are not xtian churches, you faith-blinded fundie.  There's no need to "shout" or demand anything in an online text-based forum where specious religious superstitions are debunked and refuted on a regular basis.

It makes you wonder how Falcon9 spends his Sunday.Does he go from church to church shouting his objections and demanding to be heard in a place where he's not wanted?

[jcribb16]

Promises from a hypothetical supernatural entity are empty ones. The entire concept is built upon insubstantial "faith", (which is belief without evidence).  Such a 'basis' is no basis and perpetuates self-delusions.

thanks for the Daily Bible Verse response back. I like encouraging others and building them up, but today a friend had some issues with his water bill and i was trying to cheer him up by speaking about the promises of the bible from God, but the more i spoke about them, he seem to have a more of an angry attitude, and this guy was just baptised a month ago and talking about how much he loves God and how much God had done for him. I could not believe this, so i started praying in the car with him, and asked God to deal with his heart string and change his spirit from a negative angry spirit, and not to let that spirit transfer to me and i just prayed and stayed quiet all the way to his house and so did he, his spirit did not change much, but still when he was getting out, i told him to get what he needed and i would take him back up there Monday morning to get his water transfer and most people would have said no way i want deal with that again, but i have a heart for even mean hearted people, because i have been there myself and i have mercy for others and compassion and i am not even going to charge him for gas this time. He thanked me and now this is suppose to be a good friend of mine we been friends for years and he treat me like that after i dropped all i was doing to help him, but i forgive him and still love him and will help him and his lady friend out, because that is what true christians do.

 "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."
~Thomas Jefferson~

You quote Jefferson so much, yet seem to not accept his view that it's between man and his God, and that no one owes account to anyone else regarding faith or worship.  To you, it's empty.  To a Christian, it is fulfilling and joyful.  You cannot tell what others are feeling - only your own self.  Just because you think one way does not mean a Christian has to bow to you and your claims.  You don't accept God - your choice; no arguments there.  A Christian does - their choice; no arguments there.  Stick with your views and Christians will stick with theirs.  Like Jefferson said, it's between a man and his God. 

As far as sharing in here about it, others who share the same views enjoy discussing their views together.  You don't like that and can't seem to handle that concept respectfully nor courteously, as it is that obvious.  You don't want to debate either, because you are not open to that concept with a believer - you would rather be obnoxious, pushy, thinking Christians are wrong, closing any door on any possible evidences - you have a very high opinion of yourself and it's kind of humorous, really, to read how you think you know more than a believer does, about God/no God, when it's so obvious, by your use of those big words of yours, that you do not know as much as you think or what you try to force on believers for their choice about God, and trying to make them look foolish for their beliefs.  So what?  Who cares who does what with their life, with or without God in their lives?  In the end, it's absolutely none of your business nor concern what a Christian does, thinks, or feels, in regards to their relationship with God.  Your words start sounding like Charlie Brown's "adults" speaking of blah, blah, blah. 

You enjoy your choice of no God and believers will enjoy their belief in God, whether or not you spout your so-called "facts" which are indeed not all facts, but assessments.  When it comes down to it, a Christian who believes in and loves/follows God, has no fear of being called names, and in fact, have been warned in God's Word, Itself, that this would happen from the people in the world who do not choose to accept God.  We, as believers, are in this world like everyone else, but are not part of some of the worldly views that many have (actually *believers and nonbelievers both,) including mean-spirited deliberate behavior towards those who don't go by the popular social issues, derision and criticism towards them for their beliefs in God (such as you and a couple of others seem to enjoy doing in here,) immorality, homosexuality, abortion, just to name a few.  There are a lot of disagreeing thoughts between *many people on all I listed, and more, but it seems to be the Christians who are the most criticized, judged, and mocked, than anyone else or any other groups.  It's ones like you who enjoy doing this.

Does it really make you happy inside your soul/mind to do this to people?  Do you lie down at night with a clear conscience of trying to be a respectful and courteous citizen in America to all you can, whether you agree with them or not?  Do you actually plan and write out these things you say, including researching how to say these things more "big talky words" or more "sarcastically?" Do you really enjoy trying to "hurt" posters' feelings in here who enjoy sharing Bible verses with other posters who enjoy them?  Do you hunt down the threads that have anything to do with verses, inspiration, Bible, God, etc., just to deliberately go into them to provoke?  Do you get a laugh out of it when someone gets riled up at you for what you do deliberately to provoke them, and they respond?  Do you "think before you speak" to consider how it's going to come across to someone?  Or do you just really do not care one iota what people think, say, or do - that if they are believers in God, you hate that, and spew hate just because you do not like it?   

[falcon9]

... no one owes account to anyone else regarding faith or worship.  To you, it's empty.  To a Christian, it is fulfilling and joyful.  You cannot tell what others are feeling - only your own self.  Just because you think one way does not mean a Christian has to bow to you and your claims. 

What "claims"?  It isn't a 'claim' that "faith" is a belief without evidence.  Conversely, you xtians continually make religious claims without supporting evidence which makes such irrational.  You're under no particular obligation to be rational however, and are free to delude yourselves.

As far as sharing in here about it, others who share the same views enjoy discussing their views together.  You don't like that and can't seem to handle that concept respectfully nor courteously, as it is that obvious. 

If xtians are able to proselytize their religious propaganda, those who reject it are able to oppose it.  You seem to be unable to grasp the concept and appear to desire unopposed religious proselytizing.  That's a damned shame.
 

You don't want to debate either, because you are not open to that concept with a believer - you would rather be obnoxious, pushy, thinking Christians are wrong, closing any door on any possible evidences - 

That's just it; xtians have presented no valid evidence to support their specious religious claims so there is little to actually "debate" except for their empty religios opinions, (faith-based claims which lack evidence).  It isn't "obnoxious" or "pushy" to require evidence to support the empty claims you xtians keep making, (and dodging the burden of proof requirement for).

In the end, it's absolutely none of your business nor concern what a Christian does, thinks, or feels, in regards to their relationship with God. 

That's nominally true except when such religious propaganda is posted to a 'publically-open' forum.  Then it is open to opposition in a society where religious fundamentalism need not go unopposed.
 

When it comes down to it, a Christian who believes in ...

"Your words start sounding like Charlie Brown's "adults" speaking of blah, blah, blah."

As previously iterated; xtians remain able to choose to be irrational and self-delusional.  That they'd probably prefer not to have it pointed-out that such blind religious faith is irrational and self-delusional would be an effect caused by their posting such religious beliefs.  Again, that's their choice, just as it is the choice of others to refute irrationality and reject such religious self-delusions.

[jcribb16]

... no one owes account to anyone else regarding faith or worship.  To you, it's empty.  To a Christian, it is fulfilling and joyful.  You cannot tell what others are feeling - only your own self.  Just because you think one way does not mean a Christian has to bow to you and your claims. 

What "claims"?  It isn't a 'claim' that "faith" is a belief without evidence.  Conversely, you xtians continually make religious claims without supporting evidence which makes such irrational.  You're under no particular obligation to be rational however, and are free to delude yourselves.

As far as sharing in here about it, others who share the same views enjoy discussing their views together.  You don't like that and can't seem to handle that concept respectfully nor courteously, as it is that obvious. 

If xtians are able to proselytize their religious propaganda, those who reject it are able to oppose it.  You seem to be unable to grasp the concept and appear to desire unopposed religious proselytizing.  That's a damned shame.
 

You don't want to debate either, because you are not open to that concept with a believer - you would rather be obnoxious, pushy, thinking Christians are wrong, closing any door on any possible evidences - 

That's just it; xtians have presented no valid evidence to support their specious religious claims so there is little to actually "debate" except for their empty religios opinions, (faith-based claims which lack evidence).  It isn't "obnoxious" or "pushy" to require evidence to support the empty claims you xtians keep making, (and dodging the burden of proof requirement for).

In the end, it's absolutely none of your business nor concern what a Christian does, thinks, or feels, in regards to their relationship with God. 

That's nominally true except when such religious propaganda is posted to a 'publically-open' forum.  Then it is open to opposition in a society where religious fundamentalism need not go unopposed.
 

When it comes down to it, a Christian who believes in ...

"Your words start sounding like Charlie Brown's "adults" speaking of blah, blah, blah."

As previously iterated; xtians remain able to choose to be irrational and self-delusional.  That they'd probably prefer not to have it pointed-out that such blind religious faith is irrational and self-delusional would be an effect caused by their posting such religious beliefs.  Again, that's their choice, just as it is the choice of others to refute irrationality and reject such religious self-delusions.

They are not irrational and self-delusional just because YOU, falcon9, says so.  You are free to express your opinion about what you think about them, but it doesn't make it true.  You are making yourself appear unreasonable and unable to accept that people differ in their opinions and choices, and there is no need to call Christians names just because you choose not to accept that there is a God.  You act like it's such a big deal and that you must mock and belittle others for believing in God, and you choose to disbelieve.  You aren't mocked for your choice, and no one should be mocked for theirs.  When they are mocked and criticized, it's deliberate on the part of the person who refuses that a believer has a right to decide what they want to do, just as a disbeliever does.

[falcon9]

They are not irrational and self-delusional just because YOU, falcon9, says so.

That's correct; they are irrational because they are not rational and they are self-delusional because they lack evidence to support the specious religious belief claims. 

You are free to express your opinion about what you think about them, but it doesn't make it true. 

An "opinion" which is based upon reasoning differs from an empty religious opinion which does not.  The former has the substance of logical reasoning whereas the latter expressly lacks it.  Religious beliefs lack substantive evidence and are therefore, unsupported opinions which are not accurate.
 

You are making yourself appear unreasonable and unable to accept that people differ in their opinions and choices ...

It is unreasonable for you to continue holding the irrational position of religious blind faith however, I accept your choice to be illogical in that regard and simply choose to oppose that self-delusional concept.  If you refuse to accept the logical basis for faith being blind and an empty belief with evidence, that too is your choice.

[lhz123]

John 8:31,32 So Jesus said to those who believed in him, “If you obey my teaching, you are really my disciples; you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

[jcribb16]

Quote from: jcribb16 on September 08, 2012, 05:21:07 pm
You are making yourself appear unreasonable and unable to accept that people differ in their opinions and choices ...


Quote from: Falcon9
It is unreasonable for you to continue holding the irrational position of religious blind faith however, I accept your choice to be illogical in that regard and simply choose to oppose that self-delusional concept.  If you refuse to accept the logical basis for faith being blind and an empty belief with evidence, that too is your choice.

It is NOT unreasonable for me to continue holding my "rational" (to you - "irrational") position of faith in God.  There is so much evidence in His creation everywhere - you choose to deny that - and that is your business.

It is NONE of your business what I hold or continue to hold, and it's NONE of your business the reasons I believe as I do.  I accept your choice of disbelief and am not belittling you.  You, however, seem to think it's your business to name call and ridicule what I or another believer chooses to do.  You are NOT unreasonable in what you don't believe, and I would appreciate the same courtesy in what I believe being my business and NOT unreasonable to me.

 

QUESTIONS not answered yet:

Does it really make you happy inside your soul/mind to do this to people?  Do you lie down at night with a clear conscience of trying to be a respectful and courteous citizen in America to all you can, whether you agree with them or not?  Do you actually plan and write out these things you say, including researching how to say these things more "big talky words" or more "sarcastically?" Do you really enjoy trying to "hurt" posters' feelings in here who enjoy sharing Bible verses with other posters who enjoy them?  Do you hunt down the threads that have anything to do with verses, inspiration, Bible, God, etc., just to deliberately go into them to provoke?  Do you get a laugh out of it when someone gets riled up at you for what you do deliberately to provoke them, and they respond?  Do you "think before you speak" to consider how it's going to come across to someone?  Or do you just really do not care one iota what people think, say, or do - that if they are believers in God, you hate that, and spew hate just because you do not like it?

[falcon9]

It is NOT unreasonable for me to continue holding my "rational" (to you - "irrational") position of faith in God.  

Faith is not rational, (being an unreasonable belief which lacks evidence).  Simply declaring faith to be rational doesn't make it so, especially when no supportive evidence is presented - that just makes it an empty claim, (an earmark of religious adherents).

There is so much evidence in His creation everywhere - you choose to deny that - and that is your business.

On the contrary, there is no directly-attributrible evidence of "his creation" anywhere, despite your unsupported assertions stemming from blind faith rather than substantive evidence.  Anyone can point to a tree and claim that the 'invisible pink unicorn' created it and that the tree is evidence for the existence of the 'IPU' however, these would be unsupported, (and therefore false), attributions.

It is NONE of your business what I hold or continue to hold, and it's NONE of your business the reasons I believe as I do.  I accept your choice of disbelief and am not belittling you.  You, however, seem to think it's your business to name call and ridicule what I or another believer chooses to do.  You are NOT unreasonable in what you don't believe, and I would appreciate the same courtesy in what I believe being my business and NOT unreasonable to me.

By dragging your mindless superstitious religious beliefs onto a forum which is not some xtian domain, you make it the 'business' of others to either agree, ignore or disagree with.  You don't get to control which option is exercised, but you remain able to choose what nonsense to believe or not.  Again, you don't get to censor dissenting points of view in any way, (which includes imputing 'rudeness', 'belittling' or in any manner whatsoever).

[falcon9]

Do you hunt down the threads that have anything to do with verses, inspiration, Bible, God, etc., just to deliberately go into them to provoke?

It is not necessary to do so since the faith-blinded spew such propagandizing religious posts with regularity. Perhaps such religious adherents do so to deliberately provoke, (if you're going to speculate, I'm free to under the 'golden rule'). 

 

[jcribb16]

It is NOT unreasonable for me to continue holding my "rational" (to you - "irrational") position of faith in God.  

Faith is not rational, (being an unreasonable belief which lacks evidence).  Simply declaring faith to be rational doesn't make it so, especially when no supportive evidence is presented - that just makes it an empty claim, (an earmark of religious adherents).

There is so much evidence in His creation everywhere - you choose to deny that - and that is your business.

On the contrary, there is no directly-attributrible evidence of "his creation" anywhere, despite your unsupported assertions stemming from blind faith rather than substantive evidence.  Anyone can point to a tree and claim that the 'invisible pink unicorn' created it and that the tree is evidence for the existence of the 'IPU' however, these would be unsupported, (and therefore false), attributions.

It is NONE of your business what I hold or continue to hold, and it's NONE of your business the reasons I believe as I do.  I accept your choice of disbelief and am not belittling you.  You, however, seem to think it's your business to name call and ridicule what I or another believer chooses to do.  You are NOT unreasonable in what you don't believe, and I would appreciate the same courtesy in what I believe being my business and NOT unreasonable to me.

By dragging your mindless superstitious religious beliefs onto a forum which is not some xtian domain, you make it the 'business' of others to either agree, ignore or disagree with.  You don't get to control which option is exercised, but you remain able to choose what nonsense to believe or not.  Again, you don't get to censor dissenting points of view in any way, (which includes imputing 'rudeness', 'belittling' or in any manner whatsoever).

Faith is rational.  Faith can be applied to much more than faith in God.

There is indeed evidence - it's your decision and business to deny it.

You are free to agree and disagree with whomever you wish, but you are the one trying to censor dissenting points of view in the way you are constantly degrading believers' views - you aren't just disagreeing, you are being very rude, obnoxious, and it's so obvious you enjoy doing it.  People are getting bored of your same old nonsense of rudeness to them.