Daily Bible Verse

[SherylsShado]

Rev 21: 7-8 
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

"Sorcerers", as in "not suffering a witch to live"?  The intolerant specious beliefs of the xtian religion reveals itself in that 'verse', (especially within the hypocrisy of xtianity being the liars and cultural thieves which historical evidence exposes).

"If you take [a copy of] the xtian Bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our 'bible' IS the wind and the rain."
-- from Herbalist Carol McGrath as told to her by a Native American woman

It surprises you that the Bible doesn't "paint a picture of witches in Heaven"?   :- 

There was something about that verse that I didn't realize until after I posted it and was thinking about it (even though I've read that verse so many times before).  It doesn't say there are two kinds of people (the believers and the unbelievers) and that only the unbelievers are going to the "burning lake".  I know "believers" that are "fearful", "whoring around", I know a few that are pathological liars, some that have placed more importance on "things" rather than on God ("idolatry") and some that "dabble in sorcery" in a variety of ways).  They think they're going to heaven. 
According to that verse, one can be a Believer and still spend eternity with unbelievers...unless I've misinterpreted it wrong...   

[falcon9]

It surprises you that the Bible doesn't "paint a picture of witches in Heaven"?   :- 

No, it doesn't even surprise me that so many xtians speak of religious tolerance from one 'fork' of their tongues while thumping biblical intolerance with the other tine.

There was something about that verse that I didn't realize until after I posted it and was thinking about it (even though I've read that verse so many times before).  It doesn't say there are two kinds of people (the believers and the unbelievers) and that only the unbelievers are going to the "burning lake".  I know "believers" that are "fearful", "whoring around", I know a few that are pathological liars, some that have placed more importance on "things" rather than on God ("idolatry") and some that "dabble in sorcery" in a variety of ways).  They think they're going to heaven.  According to that verse, one can be a Believer and still spend eternity with unbelievers...unless I've misinterpreted it wrong...   

This being one of those 'how many angels can dance on the head of a pin' type of theological non sequiturs, please note that a religion cannot retroactively loop "unbelievers" into their blind-faith loops. IOW, such religious beliefs don't even apply to the post-death situations of "believers", let alone "unbelievers", (since such is a matter of faith, not evidence and non-believers do not concur with such faith-based beliefs).

"Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits."
--Dan Barker, former evangelist

[egypt31]

*ANOTHER*

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What? You couldn't FIND the other "Daily Bible Verse Thread"(s).......? ? ?[/i]

Apparently not; unless the actual agenda is proselytizing religious propaganda, (despite specious contentions to the contrary).  Ostensibly, it's not specifically against FC ToS to 'spam' the off-topic forum with such therefore, it's tacitly alright to post counter-viewpoints to them.

"The Bible as we have it contains elements that are scientifically incorrect or even morally repugnant. No amount of explaining away' can convince us that such passages are the product of Divine Wisdom."
-- Bernard J. Bamberger

What do people like you believe in? Let me guess your great great great great grandaddy was an ape, and that's why every one calls you bananas, you believe what you will, but as for me and my house we will follow Almighty God in heaven who created all things. You need proof that God is God? And God is God and needs prove nothing to you!

[falcon9]

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Bible Verse Thread ? ? ? ?

What? You couldn't FIND the other "Daily Bible Verse Thread"(s).......? ? ?[/i]

Apparently not; unless the actual agenda is proselytizing religious propaganda, (despite specious contentions to the contrary).  Ostensibly, it's not specifically against FC ToS to 'spam' the off-topic forum with such therefore, it's tacitly alright to post counter-viewpoints to them.

"The Bible as we have it contains elements that are scientifically incorrect or even morally repugnant. No amount of explaining away' can convince us that such passages are the product of Divine Wisdom."
-- Bernard J. Bamberger

What do people like you believe in?

What do you mean, "people like you"?  Is this supposed to be some sort of mind-blinded fundie insult?  Let's read on and see ...
 

Let me guess your great great great great grandaddy was an ape, and that's why every one calls you bananas ...

No, he was a homo sapiens and his great-great, etc. grandad probably evolved from an evolutionary line parallel to that of apes rather than made from an incestuous family by a mentally-retarded creator 'g-d'.

.. you believe what you will, but as for me and my house we will follow Almighty God in heaven who created all things. You need proof that God is God? And God is God and needs prove nothing to you!

That's exactly the type of circular non-reasoning   which typifies blind faith.  There's no evidence for your specious religious beliefs and no getting around that they're self-deluding superstitions.

[momoney555]

Bible verse of the day:

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may
devour. ...  I Peter 5:8 - KJV

[alishaxmarie]

Honestly, I LOVE this kind of questioning of Faith and Religion, I suppose that's why I majored in Philosphy. I have a question though, how does one go through a standard public education nowadays and fight the belief of evolution? I can't imagine arguing with a teacher/professor that adamantly considering my own personal beliefs..?

[momoney555]

how does one go through a standard public education nowadays and fight the belief of evolution? I can't imagine arguing with a teacher/professor that adamantly considering my own personal beliefs..?

Strong belief comes with having a personal relationship with God over time.  Seeing God work again and again in your own life and the lives of others, equips you to have the stamina required to stand up to and be able to refute those who would try to convince you that there is no God.  Those who are fortunate enough to have grown up in a real Christian home and witnessed God working in the lives of their parents, are not that easily swayed by the various ideologies one is exposed to in college, etc.,  because they know the truth. Until you have that kind of faith , you may not want to argue religion with a teacher/professor because their ideology is set and would probably be very convincing to someone who is not as strongly set in their own belief.   

[falcon9]

Strong belief comes with having a personal relationship with God over time. 

Such "belief" constitutes a baseless religious opinion in that it relies upon "faith" without evidence, (e.g., false attributions to supernatural causes).

Seeing God work again and again in your own life and the lives of others, equips you to have the stamina required to stand up to and be able to refute those who would try to convince you that there is no God. 

Blind faith does not constitute refutation of rational challenges to irrational superstitious religious beliefs.  Such "belief" constitutes a baseless religious opinion in that it relies upon "faith" without evidence, (e.g., false attributions to supernatural causes).

Those who are fortunate enough to have grown up in a real Christian home and witnessed God working in the lives of their parents, are not that easily swayed by the various ideologies one is exposed to in college, etc.,  because they know the truth. Until you have that kind of faith , you may not want to argue religion with a teacher/professor because their ideology is set and would probably be very convincing to someone who is not as strongly set in their own belief.   

In other words, those religious adherents who are brain-washed by religious propaganda from an early age, may find it difficult to break free of such instilled/indoctrinated blind faith because of fears and a diminshed ability to reason logically.

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

[jcribb16]

Strong belief comes with having a personal relationship with God over time. 

Such "belief" constitutes a baseless religious opinion in that it relies upon "faith" without evidence, (e.g., false attributions to supernatural causes).

Seeing God work again and again in your own life and the lives of others, equips you to have the stamina required to stand up to and be able to refute those who would try to convince you that there is no God. 

Blind faith does not constitute refutation of rational challenges to irrational superstitious religious beliefs.  Such "belief" constitutes a baseless religious opinion in that it relies upon "faith" without evidence, (e.g., false attributions to supernatural causes).

Those who are fortunate enough to have grown up in a real Christian home and witnessed God working in the lives of their parents, are not that easily swayed by the various ideologies one is exposed to in college, etc.,  because they know the truth. Until you have that kind of faith , you may not want to argue religion with a teacher/professor because their ideology is set and would probably be very convincing to someone who is not as strongly set in their own belief.   

In other words, those religious adherents who are brain-washed by religious propaganda from an early age, may find it difficult to break free of such instilled/indoctrinated blind faith because of fears and a diminshed ability to reason logically.

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

Such constant remarks constitute hostility towards others of different beliefs.  Consistently promoting and provocation of hate-filled remarks toward Christians, show deliberate intent to bash them for their beliefs that they are entitled to believe, whether you accept it or not.  If I was a non-christian in many of these posts, and were to read your posts as compared to some of the Christians' posts, I would be turned off from the bashing you do to them.  You aren't debating as much as you are bashing. 

[falcon9]

Such constant remarks constitute hostility towards others of different beliefs. Consistently promoting and provocation of hate-filled remarks toward Christians, show deliberate intent to bash them for their beliefs that they are entitled to believe, whether you accept it or not.

Such constant proselytizing by xtian fundamentalists and those holding the same blind faith have been constantly opposed AFTER the fundies post their religious nonsense.  If you want to call that "bashing" in yet another attempt to censor dissenting comments, you will remain unsucessful in silencing opposition to religious mind-blindness. Such INITIAL promoting of xtian propaganda constitutes a hostitilty and disrespect for non-xtians which provokes dissenting responses.  Religious adherents are as 'free' to attempt such brain-washing as others are to oppose it.  It isn't some kind of xtian one-way street here.  

[cowgirl2116]

Great!!!

[jcribb16]

Such constant remarks constitute hostility towards others of different beliefs. Consistently promoting and provocation of hate-filled remarks toward Christians, show deliberate intent to bash them for their beliefs that they are entitled to believe, whether you accept it or not.

Such constant proselytizing by xtian fundamentalists and those holding the same blind faith have been constantly opposed AFTER the fundies post their religious nonsense.  If you want to call that "bashing" in yet another attempt to censor dissenting comments, you will remain unsucessful in silencing opposition to religious mind-blindness. Such INITIAL promoting of xtian propaganda constitutes a hostitilty and disrespect for non-xtians which provokes dissenting responses.  Religious adherents are as 'free' to attempt such brain-washing as others are to oppose it.  It isn't some kind of xtian one-way street here.  

It isn't a Christian bashing one-way street here, either.  If ones keep bashing, like you and some do, you and they, too, will remain unsuccessful in silencing opposition to the bashing mind-blindness you are exhibiting.  Such promoting of anti-Christian remarks and hateful comments/quotes/pics, constitutes the hostility and disrespect for Christians, which then provokes dissenting responses of defense for their beliefs, that they are indeed allowed to have, enjoy, and share, in a public forum, where all kinds of topics and themes are allowed. 

[falcon9]

It isn't a Christian bashing one-way street here, either.

It never was a one-way street.  The xtians have been posted bible-bashing proselytizations since long before I arrived on FC. This does not mean that such must go unopposed.  I oppose it after it's posted, (not in advance), therefore such are dissenting responses which you keep calling "bashing", (as if the responses were out-of-the-blue and not replies to Initial bible-bashing proselytizing).  Hypocrit.

If ones keep bashing, like you and some do, you and they, too, will remain unsuccessful in silencing opposition to the bashing mind-blindness you are exhibiting. 

Trying to use my rational arguments against me won't work because you don't demonstrate a comprehension of the underlying logic of those rational arguments, (and are using them irrationally in fabricating false contentions).  Logic is not "mind-blindness" because it relies upon rational reasoning, not irrational religious blind-faith which lacks evidence.  Secondly, challenges and refutations of religious irrationalities are intended to refute nonsense, not to silence it.  Were it silenced, there would be nothing to refute or challenge.

Such promoting of anti-Christian remarks and hateful comments/quotes/pics, constitutes the hostility and disrespect for Christians, which then provokes dissenting responses of defense for their beliefs, that they are indeed allowed to have, enjoy, and share, in a public forum, where all kinds of topics and themes are allowed. 

Such INITIAL xtian proselytizing of religious blind faith constitutes a hostility towards logic and a hatred of reasoning which invalidates specious superstitious beliefs.  There is nothing in the FC TOS about disallowing opposition to religious proselytization.  As the FC staff has indicated time and again, if you don't like the dissenting replies, don't read them/use the ignore function.  My choice to reply to your irrational xtian propaganda means I've elected not to ignore the insidious mind-poison of blind faith and oppose it here with reasoning. No one demands that xtians post their specious religious beliefs on an offers/surveys site.  No member of FC can dictate the replies of another member, just because they don't believe in the same superstitious nonsense.

I support your freedom to hold any irrational, baseless, illogical, faith-based, superstitious religious belief you wish to have rattling around inside of your own skull.  Once it escapes those confines and emerges onto a forum as some sort of 'pseudo-fact', I retain a 'freedom' to object/refute/oppose such proselytizations.

[gbrown1]

psalm23 the lord is my sheperd i shall not want

[falcon9]

psalm23 the lord is my sheperd i shall not want

"Question authority."
-- anon