Gay Marriage

[JediJohnnie]

In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.

[falcon9]

In the bible it says ...

Superstitious religious beliefs based upon blind faith are irrelevant.

So, I'm going with the bible.

Of course you are; because irrationality makes logical sense? Another reason to oppose blind religious faith; it negatively-impacts the decision-making process, (or subverts it entirely).

[Falconer02]

In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.

"In the bible it says, slavery is alright and you can stone your children to death if they're disobedient. So, I'm going with the bible."

Above is the major flaw in your reasoning. Anyone beyond a kindergarten level of reasoning can see the disgusting and inhumane belief you hold so dear.

[heroftimes]

In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.

"In the bible it says, slavery is alright and you can stone your children to death if they're disobedient. So, I'm going with the bible."

Above is the major flaw in your reasoning. Anyone beyond a kindergarten level of reasoning can see the disgusting and inhumane belief you hold so dear.

Reasoning? theres none of that in the bible!  Thus we don't need it because it's not in the bible!

Problem solved!

 
 

[falcon9]

In the bible it says, Man shall not lay with man and women shall not lay with women. So, I'm going with the bible.

"In the bible it says, slavery is alright and you can stone your children to death if they're disobedient. So, I'm going with the bible."

Above is the major flaw in your reasoning. Anyone beyond a kindergarten level of reasoning can see the disgusting and inhumane belief you hold so dear.

Reasoning? theres none of that in the bible!  Thus we don't need it because it's not in the bible!

Problem solved!

 

Though perhaps facetious, that's valid point.  Blind religious faith and logical reasoning haven't gotten along before and nothing's changed much now.

[Falconer02]

Reasoning? theres none of that in the bible!  Thus we don't need it because it's not in the bible!

Incorrect.

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is
stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

And if you're telling me slavery is not condoned in the bible, then obviously you have not read that book much and I suggest you do so before a non-xtian has to school you on your beliefs again.

[heroftimes]

Reasoning? theres none of that in the bible!  Thus we don't need it because it's not in the bible!

Incorrect.

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is
stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

And if you're telling me slavery is not condoned in the bible, then obviously you have not read that book much and I suggest you do so before a non-xtian has to school you on your beliefs again.

I often forget how difficult it is to convey sarcasm over the internet...

[tammypete]

I am against "same sex" marriage....Marriage is between a man and a woman...

[JediJohnnie]

Re:Deuteronomy 21:18-21

 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.  They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.”  Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

This seems to be a favorite among atheists,as if it shows some cruel and barbaric punishment.But simply,it's a command NOT to harbor a dangerous,law-breaking individual.Even if it's your child.A Law we still have to this day.Try aiding and abetting a criminal today,and see how the law treats you.

[Falconer02]

This seems to be a favorite among atheists,as if it shows some cruel and barbaric punishment.But simply,it's a command NOT to harbor a dangerous,law-breaking individual.Even if it's your child.A Law we still have to this day.Try aiding and abetting a criminal today,and see how the law treats you.

Psychologists, psychiatrists, pharmecutical engineers, etc. etc. It would be moral and COMPLETELY logical if that book talked or explained about the mind of such individuals and how to diagnose and treat such seemingly unchangeable behavior. But it does not. Instead it just says stone them to death. Even if it's your own kid. How utterly barbaric and cruel. You're an immoral individual for not understanding the problem and for defending these verses. A very sickening display of not having common sense.

I often forget how difficult it is to convey sarcasm over the internet...

OH! Sorry-- didn't catch it. My bad. Then again, I've had my fair share of people not understanding my sarcasm through text as well.

[sexychocolate47]

Well as a christian, i of course would be against gay marriage, not hating the individuals, just the sin, God word says he is against gay actions, he hate the sin, but not the individual and that's the way we should be. We can't control their actions, but we can not vote for that law. God meant when he created man and woman, to be for each other, not man and man, or woman being with woman, sin and not wanting to follow God will, caused God to give them up to a reprobate mind and he caused them to change their natural order of affection towards each other, so man starting being with man and their women's with other women's, but that is not what God intended them to be like. Marriage between woman and man is a divine order, a commitment, a covenant between man, woman and God, not to be belittle as man and woman today has made it, it is a abomination to God. But God clearly tells us in his word not to hate the individuals, but hate the sin and not to get involved with those kind of spirits, to pray for them and love them. I leave the judging of what others are and do to God, because he is the judge and not us. 

[hitch0403]

Its funny how some come out and say the bible is BS but then they resort back to it.

EX:Many say Adam didnt die in the day he sinned.Now we see the how they are viewing it.They are using our 24 hr day when God meant his day...which is 1000 yrs of our time.So Adam did die in Gods day NOT mans.

There are many others too but this post is intended for those that want to understand bible NOT debate it.

[falcon9]

Its funny how some come out and say the bible is BS but then they resort back to it.

The various "bibles" are collections of unsubstantiated hearsay which are based upon other unsupported beliefs intended to convince others to accept the lack of evidence on blind faith alone.  That's only central point I've been coming back to, despite the unanswered challenge and additional blind faith-based nonsense fundies keep resorting to in lieu of cognitive replies.

There are many others too but this post is intended for those that want to understand bible NOT debate it.

The main things for others to consider are that the various "bibles" are collections of unsubstantiated hearsay which are based upon other unsupported beliefs intended to convince others to accept the lack of evidence on blind faith alone.  That the holders of blind faith want to avoid actually debating that basis is more revealing than the diversionary nonsense they are trying to distract with.

[hitch0403]

Maybe 1 day FC will honorably discharge you from the forum!

Dis-honorably wouldnt be bad either .....LOL!

[falcon9]

FC isn't a branch of the military and doesn't 'ban' members who haven't violated their TOS. They do and have banned those that do, however.  Something you've eperienced before on a temprorary basis and appear to be angling to make it permenent.  If you're trolling me under the thread's topic, I'm already spoken-for and have no interest in a proposal from a jw.  If your post isn't for that purpose, its content remains non-contextual, just like your cult.

Maybe 1 day FC will honorably discharge you from the forum!
Dis-honorably wouldnt be bad either .....LOL!