If you don't believe in God, Are you afraid of where you may go?

[falcon9]

The road IS narrow and sadly ...

Such a "road" is made as "narrow" as any religious strictures adherered to make it, (by preventing one blinded by 'faith' to 'see' any other viewpoint which does not agree with their narrow road).   

... many that think they will be in Heaven are going to find out they won't be. 

Many decline to believe in either religious mythological fiction because, there's no reason to, (nor supporting evidence).

This really hit home for me this past week when I saw a video clip of a pastor that died and an angel showed him Heaven.  

Presumably, this is not being represented as evidence of anything other than a fictionalized clip intended to depict a religious precept, (although, like numerous other allegedly-xtian precepts, this idea also preceded xtianity).  Originally, the idea was not just to "forgive one's enemies" but, 'to forgive those who meant well too'.  The second one is more subtle and largely omitted by xtians.

[swkstudent]

 I don't believe in hell.

[falcon9]

I don't believe in hell.

Nor "heaven" or, is your disbelief asymetrical?

[lizandhobbes]

I was raised Catholic my whole life and taught to believe in Christ or I will go to hell.  However, as I've gotten older  my view has changed and I have been jaded by the so-called "holy people" who do bad things (like molest children).  I still believe in God, however I don't like being told to "believe" or I will rot in hell.  Yes, the thought scares me, but I don't want to believe in something out of fear.  I'm sure God would not want that.

Also, are you saying that your loved ones who are non-believers are in hell?  Wouldn't that make the heaven a very lonely place if you were there and nobody you ever loved was there with you?  You may THINK they're going there, but you don't truly know what's in someone's heart.  It just makes me wonder....

[SherylsShado]

Originally, the idea was not just to "forgive one's enemies" but, 'to forgive those who meant well too'.  The second one is more subtle and largely omitted by xtians.

btw, falcon9...after I saw that clip about unforgiveness and all, you & duroz are no longer on "ignore".  I'm not saying that "you meant well" because I don't know what you meant but it surely didn't come across as "meaning well".  Anyhow, it doesn't matter.  Having you both on ignore felt like "unforgiveness" to me and there simply isn't any.  I wish you both well, I sincerely mean that.  Regardless of whether hell exists or not, I'm sorry for that and won't put anyone on "ignore" again...it just didn't "feel/seem" right, even though it was "peaceful".    (jk, kinda missed ya!) 

[falcon9]

Originally, the idea was not just to "forgive one's enemies" but, 'to forgive those who meant well too'.  The second one is more subtle and largely omitted by xtians.

btw, falcon9...after I saw that clip about unforgiveness and all, you & duroz are no longer on "ignore".  I'm not saying that "you meant well" because I don't know what you meant but it surely didn't come across as "meaning well".

Although vague, you could be referring to the whole 'prayer' thing or, something completely different.  Either way, I'll admit only to being extremely subtle, (which may account for any misinterpretations of how things come across). 

Anyhow, it doesn't matter.  Having you both on ignore felt like "unforgiveness" to me and there simply isn't any.

 
While I cannot speak for "duroz", I can say that neither forgiveness nor quarter were asked for/required. It was always your choice to use the ignore function or not, (or to simply reply or not reply).

I wish you both well, I sincerely mean that.  Regardless of whether hell exists or not, I'm sorry for that and won't put anyone on "ignore" again...it just didn't "feel/seem" right, even though it was "peaceful".    (jk, kinda missed ya!) 

Look me straight in the eye and tell me you missed the relentless nature of my discussion & debate style without grinning or cracking up outright.  Go on, try it.  Was that a snicker?

[raven1114]

The question makes no sense. If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.

[falcon9]

The question makes no sense. If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.

That would hold true for an atheist but, not necessarily for all agnostics, (or, say pagan believers in animism or, polytheists).  From this side of the "veil", we guess.  From the other side of it, we'd either 'know' or, would have no way of knowing.  Presumably, the general fear of physical death is the not knowing beforehand, (which some religions and philosophies attempt to address in advance/while alive, preying on such fears).

The Aegyptian Book of The Dead, ("The Book of Coming Forth By Day"), was purported to be an 'instruction manual', whether just for pharoahs or not.  Of course, those ancients never heard of the xtian "god" until several thousand years after their conception of a nine-part "soul", (some aspects of which could supposedly survive physical death of the body while others could not). So far, no one who has followed those 'instructions' has reported back on their effacacy.  Neither has anyone come back to report of conditions in an alleged "heaven", "hell", "Valhalla", "hel", "shoel" or wherever Houdini promised to recon.

[raven1114]

The question makes no sense. If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.

That would hold true for an atheist but, not necessarily for all agnostics, (or, say pagan believers in animism or, polytheists).  From this side of the "veil", we guess.  From the other side of it, we'd either 'know' or, would have no way of knowing.  Presumably, the general fear of physical death is the not knowing beforehand, (which some religions and philosophies attempt to address in advance/while alive, preying on such fears).

The Aegyptian Book of The Dead, ("The Book of Coming Forth By Day"), was purported to be an 'instruction manual', whether just for pharoahs or not.  Of course, those ancients never heard of the xtian "god" until several thousand years after their conception of a nine-part "soul", (some aspects of which could supposedly survive physical death of the body while others could not). So far, no one who has followed those 'instructions' has reported back on their effacacy.  Neither has anyone come back to report of conditions in an alleged "heaven", "hell", "Valhalla", "hel", "shoel" or wherever Houdini promised to recon.

True which is why I said "doesn't believe in aGod'. For example Recons don't believe in an everlasting hell. A hell or hell like place yes but not an all eternal, burn forever untill the end of time fire and brimstone hell.

[falcon9]

For example Recons don't believe in an everlasting hell. A hell or hell like place yes but not an all eternal, burn forever untill the end of time fire and brimstone hell.

Do you mean something along the lines of a 'Get Out of Hel Free' card?

[SherylsShado]

Although vague, you could be referring to the whole 'prayer' thing or, something completely different.  Either way, I'll admit only to being extremely subtle, (which may account for any misinterpretations of how things come across).

Yes, I was referring to the whole 'prayer' thing.  I didn't (and still don't) feel that tigerlilly needed any more grief added to what she was already dealing with.  Sometimes I expect others "to be perfect" and then dissappointment follows when they aren't, and then "silent treatment" follows while I try to deal with the disappointment.  People aren't perfect, I'm not perfect and I'm sorry for expecting you & others to be.

I can say that neither forgiveness nor quarter were asked for/required. It was always your choice to use the ignore function or not, (or to simply reply or not reply).

Neither of you needed to ask, I felt my behavior was wrong a week or two ago and tried to ignore it.  I couldn't ignore it anymore.  I don't believe I should be living the kind of life where I have to put people on "ignore".

Look me straight in the eye and tell me you missed the relentless nature of my discussion & debate style without grinning or cracking up outright.  Go on, try it.  Was that a snicker?

I CAN'T believe you would even ask me that... giggles...    

Seriously, there's nothing wrong with your D&D "style"...everyone has to be free to be themselves.

[queenofnines]

The question makes no sense. If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.

Exactly.  It's still rather annoying and disturbing to have others believe in it, though, no matter how imaginary.

[bigfoot951]

I doubt there are many athiest that are afraid of what happens to them when they die.  Just because if they did then they would pretend to be religious just like a lot of the phonies that are already out there.

[falcon9]

Yes, I was referring to the whole 'prayer' thing.  I didn't (and still don't) feel that tigerlilly needed any more grief added to what she was already dealing with.  Sometimes I expect others "to be perfect" and then dissappointment follows when they aren't, and then "silent treatment" follows while I try to deal with the disappointment.  People aren't perfect, I'm not perfect and I'm sorry for expecting you & others to be.

As previously mentioned, the form of the suggestions made were perhaps too subtle, (though neither "perfection" nor added "grief" were intended).

I can say that neither forgiveness nor quarter were asked for/required. It was always your choice to use the ignore function or not, (or to simply reply or not reply).

Neither of you needed to ask, I felt my behavior was wrong a week or two ago and tried to ignore it.  I couldn't ignore it anymore.  I don't believe I should be living the kind of life where I have to put people on "ignore".

Okay, so the process was more for your own peace of mind than apologetic, (and that's cool).  As far as ignoring people generally or, specifically, it's quite possible to do so without 'announcing' it, (e.g., there's a cellphone provider advertising their plan which has a teenaged girl calling a guy to tell him that she's giving him the silent treatment ... when he lets her know that that's not how it works, she stops talking.  While this is nearly universally-amusing to women and teenage girls, it emphasizes something else entirely - which does not escape others).

Seriously, there's nothing wrong with your D&D "style"...everyone has to be free to be themselves.

Some would disagree however, few of those who do can strongly srgue why. 

[falcon9]

If the person does not believe in a God nor cares then by extension of that they would not care or believe in their soul going to a heaven nor a hell.

It's still rather annoying and disturbing to have others believe in it, though, no matter how imaginary.

Can you explain why this is annoying and disturbing?  It's good to get other perspectives, (not just to let any 'god-botherers' know that they're annoying & disturbing).