IF it wasn't for God we would be here

[SherylsShado]

Why not leave newborns out alone in the woods so that they can die and "automatically go to heaven"?

  Didn't you know that's MURDER?

No doubt this is why some xtian cults have forced kids to "drink the koolaid" before "the world hardens their hearts" however, this type of opting-out is frowned upon by others.

 I don't belong to a "xtian cult" and have expressed my opinions on those that follow "christian" cults on another thread awhile ago.

You'd also be surprised at how many inaccurate speculations occur due to faulty, (or no), reasoning involved.

 You DON'T think you "speculate" at all?  Newsflash: Your personal beliefs are based more on speculation than fact if you can't prove God doesn't exist.  If you don't have any real "facts"--your idea of "faulty reasoning" doesn't apply to someone just because their beliefs aren't in agreement with yours.

Further, dissenting arguments do not constitute 'persecution' unless the claimaint is shooting for pseudo-martyrdom.

 
I never said that it did.  You posted a quote you thought was "clever" and I posted a better one by Jesus Himself.   There are people from all "faiths/religions" and even those that have no faith/religion that have been persecuted/martyred for their "cause", not just "Christians".   (BTW, abdyer2001-- the Bible might have been written by man but they were INSPIRED by God and the words Jesus spoke Himself are in "red ink"...just a little FYI. ) I'm a Believer, you've stated that you are not---we're SUPPOSED to have "dissenting arguments", we're both on different paths.

Those that seek the Truth will find it.

[falcon9]

[out of context stuff snipped out because responses were out of context]

You DON'T think you "speculate" at all?  

Of course I speculate at times and those instances consist of using reasoning based upon the extent of available evidence, (as opposed to random faith-based beliefs).

Newsflash: Your personal beliefs are based more on speculation than fact if you can't prove God doesn't exist.  

News Update: It is incumbent upon the believer-claimaint to provide evidence that something exists, not upon a non-believer to provide evidence that something doesn't.  This is because it is irrational to expect evidence of everything or anything which _doesn't_ exist.

Your idea of "faulty reasoning" doesn't apply to someone just because their beliefs aren't in agreement with yours ...

That's correct; someone else's faulty reasoning has nothing to do with whether or not I agree with their conclusions unless they've arrived at those conclusions irrationally.  If the basis of their 'reasoning', (or lack thereof), is faulty, their conclusions are faulty.

...if you don't have any real facts.

It remains possible to show, (in context; not out of context), factual evidence of faulty 'reasoning'.  This works both ways; or can, if all parties engage in reasoning, (rather than specious declarations/claims which are devoid of evidence).

Further, dissenting arguments do not constitute 'persecution' unless the claimaint is shooting for pseudo-martyrdom.

I never said that it did.  You posted a quote you thought was "clever" and I posted a better one by Jesus Himself.  

In the context of the foregoing discussion in this thread, the quote you bible-thumped was from "Falconer02".  Secondly, quoted somebody in some dubious text and then claiming that these are the words of "jesus himself" is not rational speculation, (nor was it "a better one").

There are people from all "faiths/religions" and even those that have no faith/religion that have been persecuted/martyred for their "cause", not just "Christians".

True however, can you cite an instance of the minority non-xtians "persecuting" xtians?

(BTW, abdyer2001-- the Bible might have been written by man but they were INSPIRED by God  

There is no evidence to support the claim that "the Bible might have been written by man but they were INSPIRED by God" therefore, it is a specious claim without merit.

[SherylsShado]

You can lead a horse to water however, if you hold the horse's head under, that horse will drown.
Based on that last post, all evidence says You're drowning...

[falcon9]

You can lead a horse to water however, if you hold the horse's head under, that horse will drown.
Based on that last post, all evidence says You're drowning...

Your 'reasoning', (or lack thereof), is faulty. I'm not drowning in your illogic; reasoning provides my breathing apparatus while you believe that 'faith' provides yours.  That means that you're figuratively holding your breath while I'm proceding swimmingly.

[SherylsShado]

You can lead a horse to water however, if you hold the horse's head under, that horse will drown.
Based on that last post, all evidence says You're drowning...

Your 'reasoning', (or lack thereof), is faulty.  I'm not drowning in your illogic; reasoning provides my breathing apparatus while you believe that 'faith' provides yours.  That means that you're figuratively holding your breath while I'm proceding swimmingly.

  You're "King of Denial"...dude!

[falcon9]

You can lead a horse to water however, if you hold the horse's head under, that horse will drown.
Based on that last post, all evidence says You're drowning...

Your 'reasoning', (or lack thereof), is faulty.  I'm not drowning in your illogic; reasoning provides my breathing apparatus while you believe that 'faith' provides yours.  That means that you're figuratively holding your breath while I'm proceding swimmingly.

  You're "King of Denial"...dude!

Since there has been no evidence presented to support either your first contention, nor this one, ("king of denial"), these represent specious claims.  What specific alleged "evidence" are you referring to?  Vague allegations are empty ones.

[abdyer2001]

You can lead a horse to water however, if you hold the horse's head under, that horse will drown.
Based on that last post, all evidence says You're drowning...

If the bible were inspired by god, then why does it continue to be reinterpreted and rewritten by man when someone decides that thier interpretation is better.. ( king james, old testament,new testament) really lets just stick with one..

[falcon9]

If the bible were inspired by god, then why does it continue to be reinterpreted and rewritten by man when someone decides that thier interpretation is better.. ( king james, old testament,new testament) really lets just stick with one..

A common vague justification for all those reinterpretations and translation errors is that those too were "inspired".  Naturally, there's no evidence to support such claims but, that doesn't seem to stop them from being speciously made.