Do you believe in Heaven and Hell? If so, where do you think you are going?.....

[falcon9]

They both exist and you'll go to one or the other. I know where i am going for certain. The only way you can go is by accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. There is no other way to the Father except through Jesus. Like it or not, this is fact. It's a gift freely given by God and His great grace. You can't earn it. SO yes you can know for certain where your going when you leave this Earth. The question is" DO YOU GOT JESUS?"

What of the other thousands of popular religions who say differently? You say this is fact, but so do all the others with their own beliefs. And again, how is it gifted freely when you have to obey the god and there's the danger of hell? How is this not coercion?

It certainly sounds like coercion and 'beliefs' are not factual unless supported by evidence, (just as any other "fact" is required to be defined thusly).

[falcon9]

The only way you can go is by accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. There is no other way to the Father except through Jesus. Like it or not, this is fact. 

No, this is a declaration of belief obtained via 'faith' and nothing more.  Like it or not, it is not a fact because it lacks the substantive evidence actual facts possess.

[SherylsShado]

Posted by: falcon9

Like it or not, it is not a fact because it lacks the substantive evidence actual facts possess.

So...you don't believe that UFO's could possibly exist either then because substantive evidence actual facts possess in proving that they do is lacking...correct? 

[jcribb16]

Posted by: falcon9

Like it or not, it is not a fact because it lacks the substantive evidence actual facts possess.

So...you don't believe that UFO's could possibly exist either then because substantive evidence actual facts possess in proving that they do is lacking...correct? 

I wish there was a "Like" button for posts in here.  I "Like" your post!! 

[Falconer02]

So...you don't believe that UFO's could possibly exist either then because substantive evidence actual facts possess in proving that they do is lacking...correct?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r0lO5nFEBA

3:15

[Thesaboteur]

You go in the dirt... but your soul goes somewhere. I hope it is not the case as Emily Dickinson imagined, where you are still alive mentally but cannot move your body and live in darkness forever.

[SherylsShado]

So...you don't believe that UFO's could possibly exist either then because substantive evidence actual facts possess in proving that they do is lacking...correct?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r0lO5nFEBA

3:15

Falconer02,  while I find it rather endearing that you always seem to have a "link for that" (much as I always seem to have a "coupon for that"), I really hope you posted that for laughs and not because you seriously consider someone's personal opinion on a "You Tube" video as actual substantive evidence as to why it's more likely that aliens exist vs. Jesus when there's "no actual evidence" of either...
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[falcon9]

Posted by: falcon9

Like it or not, it is not a fact because it lacks the substantive evidence actual facts possess.

So...you don't believe that UFO's could possibly exist either then because substantive evidence actual facts possess in proving that they do is lacking...correct?  

U.F.O. stands for "unidentified flying object".  Many unidentified flying objects have been observed in the past, (photgraphs taken, radar observations, etc.).  Until they are identified, they're designated as "UFOs".

[falcon9]

So...you don't believe that UFO's could possibly exist either then because substantive evidence actual facts possess in proving that they do is lacking...correct?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r0lO5nFEBA

3:15

Falconer02,  while I find it rather endearing that you always seem to have a "link for that" (much as I always seem to have a "coupon for that"), I really hope you posted that for laughs and not because you seriously consider someone's personal opinion on a "You Tube" video as actual substantive evidence as to why it's more likely that aliens exist vs. Jesus when there's "no actual evidence" of either...
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His point, (given the content of the video link), was that there is more 'evidence' supporting the existence of "UFOs" than there is for "god".

[falcon9]

Posted by: falcon9

Like it or not, it is not a fact because it lacks the substantive evidence actual facts possess.

So...you don't believe that UFO's could possibly exist either then because substantive evidence actual facts possess in proving that they do is lacking...correct? 

I wish there was a "Like" button for posts in here.  I "Like" your post!! 

Of course you do and yet, reason prevails.

[Falconer02]

Falconer02,  while I find it rather endearing that you always seem to have a "link for that" (much as I always seem to have a "coupon for that"), I really hope you posted that for laughs and not because you seriously consider someone's personal opinion on a "You Tube" video as actual substantive evidence as to why it's more likely that aliens exist vs. Jesus when there's "no actual evidence" of either...

Like Falcon said, there's far more evidence for alien life and UFOs than any evidence pertaining to supernatural christian beliefs. And yet the alien-chasers are the ones labelled as the crazies.

[arkovac]

I believe in Heaven and Hell.  All said and done, I think God likes to be discussed and having numerous souls, believers and non-believers alike, chatting about Heaven & Hell & Him.  So, since I'm a believer, where do I think I'm going when I die?  I think I'm going to Heaven, but I'll probably be in the ugly corner for awhile.      

[SherylsShado]

U.F.O. stands for "unidentified flying object".  Many unidentified flying objects have been observed in the past, (photgraphs taken, radar observations, etc.).  Until they are identified, they're designated as "UFOs".

Right...and what about "aliens"

like Falcon said, there's far more evidence for alien life and UFOs than any evidence pertaining to supernatural christian beliefs. And yet the alien-chasers are the ones labelled as the crazies.

Whoa..."there's more evidence for alien life AND UFO's than any evidence pertaining to supernatural christian beliefs"  (I haven't labeled anyone as "the crazies"...yet... )  So...since "there's more evidence"--- what's your evidence/hard core facts for alien life & UFO's?? 

[falcon9]

U.F.O. stands for "unidentified flying object".  Many unidentified flying objects have been observed in the past, (photgraphs taken, radar observations, etc.).  Until they are identified, they're designated as "UFOs".

Right...and what about "aliens"

What about them?  Either they exist, (or, historically existed), or they do not.  If they exist, current evidence attributed to them is insufficient to support the mere claim.  If they do not exist, it is not required to provide evidence of non-existence.  The same goes for deital claims.


[quote from Falconer02]like Falcon said, there's far more evidence for alien life and UFOs than any evidence pertaining to supernatural christian beliefs. And yet the alien-chasers are the ones labelled as the crazies.

Whoa..."there's more evidence for alien life AND UFO's than any evidence pertaining to supernatural christian beliefs"  (I haven't labeled anyone as "the crazies"...yet... )  So...since "there's more evidence"--- what's your evidence/hard core facts for alien life & UFO's?? 

Since "Falconer02" wrote what you're asking about, I'll defer to him.  A few other members have 'lumped falcons' together before but, we remain two separate members of FC.

[Falconer02]

Whoa..."there's more evidence for alien life AND UFO's than any evidence pertaining to supernatural christian beliefs"  (I haven't labeled anyone as "the crazies"...yet... )  So...since "there's more evidence"--- what's your evidence/hard core facts for alien life & UFO's?? 

Evidence of UFO's = nothing on my end, really. Never seen one. Nor do I believe that they're alien spaceships. There's just constant occurences of people seeing UFO's around the world (videos, pictures, etc.). I'd wager in the next 10-20 years, a lot of secret USAF crafts are going to be declassified and the public might be able to see that many of the saucer-crafts were experimental designs created back in the 50's-60's. It's actually quite an interesting study to find what they've been hiding for all these years.

Alien life on the other hand is extremely probable.

The Drake equation-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Astronomers have discovered over 700 planets just outside of our solar system alone. The most recent goldilocks planet they've discovered might even be supporting life right now. Check out "Kepler 22b" if you're interested-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler-22b