gay marriage

[Abrupt]

I think gay marriages will work better in the long run than most marriages today because they have to fight for the right to be married.  Same with raising kids, NO ACCIDENTS.

Do remember it is a privilege and not a right.  If you remove any religions reference to marriage (the only way you can qualify the argument for gay marriage) then all you are left with is the legal contracts and special privileges -- none of which are a 'right'.  I am not overly impressed with anyone 'fighting' to get special treatment even if it is shone under a light of 'fairness'.  I would like to get a senior discount, even though I am not a senior, and if I fought for that I don't think it would make me better at being a senior.

[falcon9]

Do remember it is a privilege and not a right.  If you remove any religions reference to marriage (the only way you can qualify the argument for gay marriage) then all you are left with is the legal contracts and special privileges -- none of which are a 'right'.  

I tend to agree with your point, as far as it goes.  Marriage is not a "right"; although it may be a taxation position.  Remember that marriages may not last forever but, prenuptials can last for the duration.

[UnAssisT]

if they wanna marry let em. who has the right to stop them? i think people who are gay have some kind of social disorder and choose to be gay to fix that emptiness they feel. not genetics. still weird to see.

[premar16]

so people wake up one day and decide to be gay knowing that people like you will insult them religious will condemn them and people will hate them why the f*(&(ck would some one do that .Thats illogical no one chooses to be hated .Its who they are and they shouldn't be punished for it because people dont like it.There not hurting anyone .Your straight relationship will succeed or fail regardless of them.People could also that people are judgemental and hateful of others to feel the void but you can still get married

[Abrupt]

so people wake up one day and decide to be gay knowing that people like you will insult them religious will condemn them and people will hate them why the f*(&(ck would some one do that .Thats illogical no one chooses to be hated .Its who they are and they shouldn't be punished for it because people dont like it.There not hurting anyone .Your straight relationship will succeed or fail regardless of them.People could also that people are judgmental and hateful of others to feel the void but you can still get married

They are not being punished.  The do not meet the requirements for marriage and are so disqualified without prejudice.  To qualify for such they would have to redefine the meaning.  I don't like that but I am not opposed to them having something else that grants the same special privileges to them but is called something else.

As I mentioned earlier I would like a senior discount but I don't qualify, if they changed the age to 40 though I would qualify.  Do you feel as though that I have the same right to a senior discount as someone older than me?  As silly as my question is it is the exact same concept (gays can currently marry opposite gender people and thus they are not being denied marriage, it is because they want a union according to their definitions that they are being denied).

I don't pretend to know why they are like they are.  I don't pretend to know why people use addictive drugs for the first time either.  I know there is a tendency for some people to choose deviant behavior that has less to do with the desire to do the deviant behavior than it does for other reasons.  I am not suggesting this is the case though.  I know homosexuality, just as drug addiction, is something that should be discouraged and not encouraged.  Neither provide anything beneficial to society in any way shape or form.  I am not saying they should be persecuted, though, I am simply saying we should be honest and present the subject in the light of what it is and not as some grand, glorious, or good thing.

[falcon9]

The do not meet the requirements for marriage and are so disqualified without prejudice.  To qualify for such they would have to redefine the meaning.  I don't like that but I am not opposed to them having something else that grants the same special privileges to them but is called something else.

Something else, like "civil union"?
 

[premar16]

even though i find this convo ridiculous and slightly hateful towards others i am glad I got into  itI was able to do 30 post for the month 

[froggylover227]

One thing to say about this: Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Call me ultra-conservative if you will, but there's no way I support gay marriage. I understand that being gay is something that some people claim they can't control. That's fine, but why do you have to go around letting everyone know of it? God never said it's a sin to be homosexual, what He did say though is that it is a sin to express that homosexuality, hence sodomy. In most states, sodomy is considered a crime. I have no problem with gay people, in fact I know plenty of them and they are great people. I just don't think that they should be pleading for marriage. They may not choose to be homosexual, but they are choosing to express it by being with someone of the same gender. I could go on all day with this topic but I won't. And I'm well prepared for the bombardment of criticism I will get, but I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.   

[froggylover227]

I do not  support nor believe in Gay "marriages. "  I believe this country is going in the wrong direction to have started allowing these marriages to take place.  I can not stand hearing about Gay couples being allowed to adopt children.  What ever happened to the belief that every child should be raised with both 1 father and 1 mother?   Also, I think it is wrong for companies to HAVE to provide insurance to these "marriages"   What is wrong with this country?  So many people these days are all about peace, happiness, let things be, no more do we hear of what is right and wrong, moral values.  People need to start reading their Bibles again, marriages have always been between men and women!!

  I agree with you! I'll never forget the one time I was at a beach and this little kid was swimming by me and he said he couldn't find his mommy. So I asked what she looked like to see if I could help him, and he says to me "Well I have two mommies" and starts to describe them both to me. I'll just never forget the way he said it. It seemed to sound both embarrased and proud at the same time. Is that how we should raise our children? To have conflicting feelings? It's not right to put a child in the middle of it. And if anyone these days actually opened a Bible, they could read the story about Sodom and Gomorrah and see what God did regarding homosexuality back then. It will only be a matter of time before it happens again.

[premar16]

the reason why the kid was conflicting is becuase we as a society make them feel like they should be ashamed .I was raised by gay person and I am in no way conflicted.
I am straight.
 I believe in the golden rule
I had a bachelors degree
never gone to jail
never done drugs
never hurt a person for no reason
gay people can raise perfectly normal children if anything I learned more about loving other no matter who they love or what they look like or believe.And your forgetting that your sense of morals are based on you and your beliefs and book that not everyone is this country uses we are not all Christians and we should not make are laws based on one religion in a nation where there are many.I asked this before what harm does them getting married do to you personally.None your marriage will still fail or succeed   whether they get married or not.There consenting adults and if you are truly christian you would love them no matter do you really think Jesus would go around hating on people becuase of how they sleep with at night

[froggylover227]

the reason why the kid was conflicting is becuase we as a society make them feel like they should be ashamed .I was raised by gay person and I am in no way conflicted.
I am straight.
 I believe in the golden rule
I had a bachelors degree
never gone to jail
never done drugs
never hurt a person for no reason
gay people can raise perfectly normal children if anything I learned more about loving other no matter who they love or what they look like or believe.And your forgetting that your sense of morals are based on you and your beliefs and book that not everyone is this country uses we are not all Christians and we should not make are laws based on one religion in a nation where there are many.I asked this before what harm does them getting married do to you personally.None your marriage will still fail or succeed   whether they get married or not.There consenting adults and if you are truly christian you would love them no matter do you really think Jesus would go around hating on people becuase of how they sleep with at night

Everyone in this country may not be Christian, but this country was founded on Christian principles. That's why we say "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and why our money has the line "In God We Trust" on it. And that's great that you grew up to be wonderful person. But homosexuality is an abnormality. We are trying to normalize something that was never or never will be normal. Do we normalize drug addiction? Is it ok for a person who is addicted to drugs to use them? And it does personally harm me because I don't want my children growing up in a world where a man and a man or a woman and a woman can marry each other. It's disgusting to me. If homosexuality was meant to be, then tell me why two men or two women can't physically create a child?

[premar16]

with your logic than sterile straight people should  not have kids either because god/universe made it so they couldnt have kids biologically.Interesting.If you dont want to be around gay people than dont but answer me this all these people who dont like gay people or marriage what are you going to do when your child/or close relative comes up to and says mommy I think I may gay are you going to reject them or them because before you knew you loved and knowing shouldnt change that fact .

[froggylover227]

with your logic than sterile straight people should  not have kids either because god/universe made it so they couldnt have kids biologically.Interesting.If you dont want to be around gay people than dont but answer me this all these people who dont like gay people or marriage what are you going to do when your child/or close relative comes up to and says mommy I think I may gay are you going to reject them or them because before you knew you loved and knowing shouldnt change that fact .

Actually, according to my religion, if you are sterile and can't reproduce on your own, then that is how God wants it and how it should be. Why do you think artificial insemination is frowned upon in the Catholic church? I don't have a problem with gay people or being around them, as I said earlier I know several gays and think they are really cool people. I just don't think they should be violating a God-given right bestowed upon a man and a woman. And if my child came up to me and said they think they are gay, I would be okay with that, but encourage them to live the single life, and if they didn't and went around being with people of the same sex, then I would let them know I still love them, but do not approve nor want to be involved with it.

[premar16]

lollllllll oh this has been fun

[froggylover227]

Indeed. But I will admit it's nice to be having a decent adult-like conversation because most people I communicate with about this start to raise their voice and get all pissy and immature about it. They usually walk away saying "Ok, whatever". At least we are agreeing to disagree, as the saying goes.