gay marriage

[ElianaPalmer]

Why do you insist on calling it a 'special privilege', like being gay and in love is a deformity or something?  Everyone is entitled to have someone to love, and be protected under the law. EVERY PERSON.  If being gay is such an insult to you, look away.  Nobody is forcing you to watch. 

[Abrupt]

Why do you insist on calling it a 'special privilege', like being gay and in love is a deformity or something?  Everyone is entitled to have someone to love, and be protected under the law. EVERY PERSON.  If being gay is such an insult to you, look away.  Nobody is forcing you to watch. 

The benefits they are requesting for are absolutely "special privileges".  The benefits for marriage re a "special privilege" and thus having some similar legal construct for gays would also be the same.  Nobody is entitled to have someone to love -- that is the most foolish statement I have ever heard.  Are you seriously suggesting that people should be forced to have to love someone (I don't honestly think you are, I think you meant something else, but this is absolutely what you just said).

[falcon9]

Legally, would you say that a civil union differs substantially from a marriage?

Possibly, considering the demands being made, but I don't know of the current legal differences.  If they were made the same though in terms of legality (as I was suggesting in not being opposed to) then I would have no problem if gays managed to get this special privilege for themselves (although in general I don't particularly like special treatment/exceptions, I do know of some cases that I agree with and that make sense to me).  The only thing I am opposed to is redefining the meaning of the word marriage to include this and thus I said create a new name with the same benefits.

Civil union/marriage, as a legal union, has thus far been defined by state law in accord with the principles of federalism. As with other issues, the state is free to set limits to the circumstances in which marriage may be permitted, and judicial interpretation thereof. It also defines how local governments may interpret the law, and the process by which local governments can initiate review of cases in question.

Since the term is defined by any individual state laws, it appears that civil unions are not legally-equivalent to marriage, (within the special privilege parameters of joint parenting, adoption; custody, and child visitation rights, next-of-kin status for hospital visitation and medical decisions, joint insurance policies, separation and divorce protections, immigration and residency exemptions/benefits, tax benefits, legal benefits,
veteran’s benefits, inheritance benefits, joint filing of official documents (tax returns, customs claims, etc.), death benefits,  crime victim recovery benefits, tort benefits, domestic violence relief (restraining and protection orders), or judicial protection; including immunity from testifying against one's partner).

[falcon9]

Why do you insist on calling it a 'special privilege', like being gay and in love is a deformity or something?  Everyone is entitled to have someone to love, and be protected under the law. EVERY PERSON.
 

As "Abrupt" mentions in reply to you, marriage/civil unions/domestic partnerships are special privileges under current laws.  So is the Bill of Rights.  No one is inherently "entitled" to anything, (be it marriage, food, shelter or freedoms).

Although "being gay" is often deemed as a deviation from the norm, (possibly due to it being an evolutionary dead-end in that gays cannot reproduce more gays instead; more people are produced by heterosexual couples, ironically enough), it is not classified as a handicap under current laws.

[jstev4506]

Let's not act like straight people are perfect and "holier than thou" ok. Why should straight people be able to decide the fate of gay people? No different than racism. Disgusting actually that we are STILL having this conversation in 2012.

Hoping gay marriage takes effect nationwide ASAP.

[jstev4506]

Why do you insist on calling it a 'special privilege', like being gay and in love is a deformity or something?  Everyone is entitled to have someone to love, and be protected under the law. EVERY PERSON.  If being gay is such an insult to you, look away.  Nobody is forcing you to watch. 

The benefits they are requesting for are absolutely "special privileges".  The benefits for marriage re a "special privilege" and thus having some similar legal construct for gays would also be the same.  Nobody is entitled to have someone to love -- that is the most foolish statement I have ever heard.  Are you seriously suggesting that people should be forced to have to love someone (I don't honestly think you are, I think you meant something else, but this is absolutely what you just said).

Being entitled to love and forced to love are quite different.

[Abrupt]

Why do you insist on calling it a 'special privilege', like being gay and in love is a deformity or something?  Everyone is entitled to have someone to love, and be protected under the law. EVERY PERSON.  If being gay is such an insult to you, look away.  Nobody is forcing you to watch. 

The benefits they are requesting for are absolutely "special privileges".  The benefits for marriage re a "special privilege" and thus having some similar legal construct for gays would also be the same.  Nobody is entitled to have someone to love -- that is the most foolish statement I have ever heard.  Are you seriously suggesting that people should be forced to have to love someone (I don't honestly think you are, I think you meant something else, but this is absolutely what you just said).

Being entitled to love and forced to love are quite different.

If you are entitled to love then that means you can demand it and have it forcibly granted.  You might be entitled to the pursuit of love but even that is a strange concept to be putting out there as it cannot be tested or enforced.  The way it is being presented here is that someone is being denied love and that is an insane statement since you cannot legislate someones emotions.  If you are suggesting some connection between love and marriage (besides the generality of marrying someone you love as opposed to marrying for other reasons) then that is also a foolish statement since you can well love without marriage and well not be in love with marriage.

[sigmapi1501]

Well, 14 pages of replies and still not ONE reason against same sex marriage that doesn't make the person look like a hate monger or idiot from Mississippi.

[Cubboo]

Std's are spread ten times faster and ten times more likely to spread them in gays than straights... There's ur ONE answer now shut the fu@k up

[falcon9]

Well, 14 pages of replies and still not ONE reason against same sex marriage that doesn't make the person look like a hate monger or idiot from Mississippi.

So far, there's not one dissenting vote against a gay man and a lesbian woman getting married either.  It could happen.

[falcon9]

Std's are spread ten times faster and ten times more likely to spread them in gays than straights...

The rate which STDs spread is somehow dependent upon sexual orientation and not on how many infected people are having sex, (with either gender)?  There must be a legitimate reference for such an opinion, (unless it's just an empty redneck opinion, as sig implied).

There's ur ONE answer now shut the fu@k up

Your opinion was disqualified on the basis of sig's stipulations.

[duroz]

Std's are spread ten times faster and ten times more likely to spread them in gays than straights... There's ur ONE answer now shut the fu@k up 

OK!! Well, now then....what are you other kids going to do?
Will you:
A)Report Cubboo-boo for swearing at you, and verbally abusing you

B)Hit the ignore button, and then post repeatedly about how you're ignoring 'bboo-boo's posts, and how COOL it is that you're doing so...

OR

C)All of the above?

  

[falcon9]

Std's are spread ten times faster and ten times more likely to spread them in gays than straights... There's ur ONE answer now shut the fu@k up

OK!! Well, now then....what are you other kids going to do?
Will you:
A)Report Cubboo-boo for swearing at you, and verbally abusing you

B)Hit the ignore button, and then post repeatedly about how you're ignoring 'bboo-boo's posts, and how COOL it is that you're doing so...

OR

C)All of the above?

   

D)Continue supporting the freedom for "cubboo" to keep making himself appear more foolish and ignorant than anyone else could.

[sigmapi1501]

Std's are spread ten times faster and ten times more likely to spread them in gays than straights... There's ur ONE answer now shut the fu@k up

All right, let's take your Mississippi made up statistics as fact....   If gays are somehow spreading disease, And being gay is wrong, whatever. ...
WHO do gays have sex with and spread these diseases to?? OTHER GAY PEOPLE.

Also, if they get married won't they then become LESS likely to spread disease since they will be monogamous. So now that your fear mongering reason has been turned on you.... What reason will you use now?

[duroz]

D)Continue supporting the freedom for "cubboo" to keep making himself appear more foolish and ignorant than anyone else could. 

Oh yes, you're absolutely right....I DID forgot that "Yall" might enjoy supporting Cubboo-boo in his (her?) efforts to single-handedly make a complete of him/herself.