Lets Be Honest About Praying

[falcon9]

I had a total life change too in 2008 when I was diagnosed with terminal cancer but Jebus didn't have any thing to do with my decisions.

There you go.  Of course, you didn't say that you attributed terminal cancer to any other supernatural source either.

[walksalone11]

I had a total life change too in 2008 when I was diagnosed with terminal cancer but Jebus didn't have any thing to do with my decisions.

There you go.  Of course, you didn't say that you attributed terminal cancer to any other supernatural source either.

Naaa, it is what it is....some things going to get you sooner or later. Is every instance demonically inspired?

[falcon9]

Naaa, it is what it is....some things going to get you sooner or later. Is every instance demonically inspired?

They say that no one makes it out of this life alive, (that's hard to argue against too).  As far as 'demonic' causes; that would require a belief in "demons", (which I don't have).  Going by the general stance of many religious adherents, they seem to believe that 'only good comes from god and only bad comes from satan/demons'.  This is a somewhat inherently contradictory stance since that same 'god' supposedly created 'satan & the demons', (which sounds like a rock band but, it was apparently forgotten that the belief is that they started out as 'angels').

[walksalone11]

Naaa, it is what it is....some things going to get you sooner or later. Is every instance demonically inspired?

They say that no one makes it out of this life alive, (that's hard to argue against too).  As far as 'demonic' causes; that would require a belief in "demons", (which I don't have).  Going by the general stance of many religious adherents, they seem to believe that 'only good comes from god and only bad comes from satan/demons'.  This is a somewhat inherently contradictory stance since that same 'god' supposedly created 'satan & the demons', (which sounds like a rock band but, it was apparently forgotten that the belief is that they started out as 'angels').

My belief is that many of the best lessons come by way of the worst experiences. Perhaps they should see devils/demons as helpers....no?

[falcon9]

My belief is that many of the best lessons come by way of the worst experiences. Perhaps they should see devils/demons as helpers....no?

I'd be opposed to attributing such experiences to "demonic" or 'angelic' interventions however, I would agree that one can learn more from instances where the bovine feces hits the rotary cooling device than when everything appears to be going 'swimmingly' well.

[SherylsShado]

If you had watched the clip and heard what he was saying...  The life that he was living before, the person that he was before---compared to the kind of person he is now, it has been a total life changed.  Only Jesus can do that.  

No, such "testimony" does not constitute evidence supporting that attribution to a supernatural cause.

What substantial evidence do you have that says it was ANYTHING else?

[falcon9]

If you had watched the clip and heard what he was saying...  The life that he was living before, the person that he was before---compared to the kind of person he is now, it has been a total life changed.  Only Jesus can do that.  

No, such "testimony" does not constitute evidence supporting that attribution to a supernatural cause.

What substantial evidence do you have that says it was ANYTHING else?

It's testimony that the witness claims to have seen something, (which isn't conclusively attributed to being an alien craft), nothing more and nothing less.

[SherylsShado]

If you had watched the clip and heard what he was saying...  The life that he was living before, the person that he was before---compared to the kind of person he is now, it has been a total life changed.  Only Jesus can do that.  

No, such "testimony" does not constitute evidence supporting that attribution to a supernatural cause.

What substantial evidence do you have that says it was ANYTHING else?

It's testimony that the witness claims to have seen something, (which isn't conclusively attributed to being an alien craft), nothing more and nothing less.

   seem to have confused the "Christian" testimony with the "ufo one"...

[JediJohnnie]

It's pretty sad when some are more willing to entertain the possibility of UFO's over God's existence.

[Falconer02]

It's pretty sad when some are more willing to entertain the possibility of UFO's over God's existence

Which one? Yours? There's a lot of evidence to suspect that there is alien life out in the universe somewhere. Speculatively I love thinking there is, but I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong about it.  Personalized Gods though? No evidences. No proofs. And the xtian god is depicted as imperfect and malevolent to anyone who escapes the religious mindset. Speculatively, I'd hate to live in a universe with such a deity. No religious zealot is willing to admit they're wrong due to their blind faith (in which the burden of proof fallacy comes into play 95% of the time).

ADHD version- one takes the natural course, one take the supernatural course.

[falcon9]

  seem to have confused the "Christian" testimony with the "ufo one"...

Nah, the u.f.o. witnesses sometimes have corroboration or pictures of 'something' they've seen.  Such xtian false attributions are invariably to the unseen.

[falcon9]

It's pretty sad when some are more willing to entertain the possibility of UFO's over God's existence.

Which one? Yours? There's a lot of evidence to suspect that there is alien life out in the universe somewhere. Speculatively I love thinking there is, but I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong about it.  Personalized Gods though? No evidences. No proofs. And the xtian god is depicted as imperfect and malevolent to anyone who escapes the religious mindset. Speculatively, I'd hate to live in a universe with such a deity. No religious zealot is willing to admit they're wrong due to their blind faith (in which the burden of proof fallacy comes into play 95% of the time).

ADHD version- one takes the natural course, one take the supernatural course.

ADS version: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- A.C. Clark
This does not mean that such technology is 'magical' nor, supernatural.  It means it's advanced technology, (something which would be required in order to attribute u.f.o.s to being alien spacecraft).

[wdstk12]

Well, there is no doubt that I believe in prayer!! I have stated this before, but I work in the adult ICU as a Respiratory Therapist and see tragedy everyday......But equally have seen the power of prayer.  When you see someone die right in front of you one minute and a week later come back from a coma......you know that power of prayer is in major play!!!!!!  I see miracles everyday in my line of work and thank GOD I do what I do and get to see his works!!!

[falcon9]

Well, there is no doubt that I believe in prayer!! I have stated this before, but I work in the adult ICU as a Respiratory Therapist and see tragedy everyday......But equally have seen the power of prayer.  When you see someone die right in front of you one minute and a week later come back from a coma......you know that power of prayer is in major play!!!!!! 

A coma isn't 'death'; surely a medical respiratory therapist is trained to know the difference?

I see miracles everyday in my line of work and thank GOD I do what I do and get to see his works!!!

Perhaps it's not uncommon even for trained medical personnel to hold superstitious religious beliefs in which a hypothetical 'deity' gets credit attributed despite the lack of evidence connecting any effects to such a cause.

[renin23]

you gotta have faith on in god when you pray