Lets Be Honest About Praying

[SherylsShado]

And just they didn't personally involve you...doesn't mean they aren't.  Considering how many 'witness testimonies' there are out there, I think it would be very "close minded" to just say there is no accuracy in any of them.  Obviously something is going on when so many different people from all different walks of life stumble upon something so 'astounding' that it changes them forever.

Something going on does not equate to 'U.F.O.s are alien spacecraft'.  U.F.O. simply means unidentified flying object, (not 'I.A.S.': 'identified alien spacecraft').  Approximately 95% of U.F.O. investigated U.F.O. reports can be/have been attributed to other causes than alien spacecraft.  This does not mean that 5% were alien craft; it means that the remaining 5% are due to unknown causes.

UFO's, aliens, extra terrestials, etc.   I never said one had to believe every single 'witness account', as some are much more credible than others.

[falcon9]

UFO's, aliens, extra terrestials, etc.   I never said one had to believe every single 'witness account', as some are much more credible than others.

Which witness testimonies provided credible, (substantive), evidence that U.F.O.s were unambiguously alien in origin?

[Barbaralynne]

When I say I will pray for someone I say a quick silent prayer right then and there, I n case I forget later.

[falcon9]

When I say I will pray for someone I say a quick silent prayer right then and there, I n case I forget later.

And the results of such superstitious evocations are what, exactly?

[SherylsShado]

UFO's, aliens, extra terrestials, etc.   I never said one had to believe every single 'witness account', as some are much more credible than others.

Which witness testimonies provided credible, (substantive), evidence that U.F.O.s were unambiguously alien in origin?

   http://www.think-aboutit.com/ufo/us_astronauts_see_ufos.htm

[walksalone11]

I just have to wonder how many of the folks who say they will carry anothers prayer, strive to carry themselves and walk a path every day that would make them worthy of such an honor as to carry said prayers or of being blessed with an audience, much less the ear, of the receiver of the prayers.

[falcon9]

I just have to wonder how many of the folks who say they will carry anothers prayer, strive to carry themselves and walk a path every day that would make them worthy of such an honor as to carry said prayers or of being blessed with an audience, much less the ear, of the receiver of the prayers.

If you mean that few would be like a 'pipe carrier', I agree.

[SherylsShado]

... how would you know since you didn't even check it out to know?  (the testimony is 6:51 long, considering how fast you posted your reply...you wouldn't know.)

I'd know because such "testimony" does not constitute evidence; it constitutes a de facto unsupported attribution.  As the example emphasized; testimonial reports attributing U.F.O. sightings to alien spacecraft do not constitute evidence of alien spacecraft, (that takes evidence, not a 'belief' that unidentified flying objects are alien craft).

If you had watched the clip and heard what he was saying...  The life that he was living before, the person that he was before---compared to the kind of person he is now, it has been a total life changed.  Only Jesus can do that.  

[falcon9]

   http://www.think-aboutit.com/ufo/us_astronauts_see_ufos.htm

Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations: "I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets."

He believes this however, he provides no evidence to support his contentions.

[falcon9]

If you had watched the clip and heard what he was saying...  The life that he was living before, the person that he was before---compared to the kind of person he is now, it has been a total life changed.  Only Jesus can do that.  

No, such "testimony" does not constitute evidence supporting that attribution to a supernatural cause.

[walksalone11]

I just have to wonder how many of the folks who say they will carry anothers prayer, strive to carry themselves and walk a path every day that would make them worthy of such an honor as to carry said prayers or of being blessed with an audience, much less the ear, of the receiver of the prayers.

If you mean that few would be like a 'pipe carrier', I agree.

No, not necessarily a Pipe Carrier. The pipe carrier would in many cases be the intercessor between the person offering the prayer and the receiver of the prayer. Which would usually mean Creator or perhaps some/an Ancestor.

The Intercessor would of course be held to a very high moral standard and be expected to adhear to certain commitments that, say again, the person offering the prayer.

But, the person being honored by being allowed to carry ones prayer should live by very high standards as well but may not be bound by some of the commitments.

Not really sure if I am demonstrating my point very well, if not give me a bit of time for reflection and I will attempt it again.

[Falconer02]

If you had watched the clip and heard what he was saying...  The life that he was living before, the person that he was before---compared to the kind of person he is now, it has been a total life changed.  Only Jesus can do that. 

My life changed for the better when I started eating more salami sandwiches. I guess that was Jesus too!

Seriously though, most Atheists won't take up arms if the individual has majorly improved from a previous bad lifestyle. Though it's a false attribution, it's good that the person is doing better. However, if they attempt to spread their beliefs by using something that has no proof of being there or fails to prove that it's an accurate method of practice (ie "Works for everyone!"), that's the equivalent of a snake oil salesman technique (no matter how emotional one can get about). It is then that they should expect flak from skeptics.

[falcon9]

No, not necessarily a Pipe Carrier. The pipe carrier would in many cases be the intercessor between the person offering the prayer and the receiver of the prayer. Which would usually mean Creator or perhaps some/an Ancestor.

The Intercessor would of course be held to a very high moral standard and be expected to adhear to certain commitments that, say again, the person offering the prayer.

But, the person being honored by being allowed to carry ones prayer should live by very high standards as well but may not be bound by some of the commitments.

Not really sure if I am demonstrating my point very well, if not give me a bit of time for reflection and I will attempt it again.

That's okay, I was inquiring as to whether that drew a rough parallel, (and your comments regarding intercessory prayer - praying for another), seem to qualify.

[walksalone11]

If you had watched the clip and heard what he was saying...  The life that he was living before, the person that he was before---compared to the kind of person he is now, it has been a total life changed.  Only Jesus can do that. 

My life changed for the better when I started eating more salami sandwiches. I guess that was Jesus too!

Seriously though, most Atheists won't take up arms if the individual has majorly improved from a previous bad lifestyle. Though it's a false attribution, it's good that the person is doing better. However, if they attempt to spread their beliefs by using something that has no proof of being there or fails to prove that it's an accurate method of practice (ie "Works for everyone!"), that's the equivalent of a snake oil salesman technique (no matter how emotional one can get about). It is then that they should expect flak from skeptics.

I had a total life change too in 2008 when I was diagnosed with terminal cancer but Jebus didn't have any thing to do with my decisions.

[falcon9]

 

If you had watched the clip and heard what he was saying...  The life that he was living before, the person that he was before---compared to the kind of person he is now, it has been a total life changed.  Only Jesus can do that.  

My life changed for the better when I started eating more salami sandwiches. I guess that was Jesus too!

Seriously though, most Atheists won't take up arms if the individual has majorly improved from a previous bad lifestyle. Though it's a false attribution, it's good that the person is doing better. However, if they attempt to spread their beliefs by using something that has no proof of being there or fails to prove that it's an accurate method of practice (ie "Works for everyone!"), that's the equivalent of a snake oil salesman technique (no matter how emotional one can get about). It is then that they should expect flak from skeptics.

Well-said, this is indeed my position as well.  False attributions, ('witnessing' and attributing only "positive" results to one supernatural cause while attributing any "negative" results to another supernatural cause), used to evangelize religious beliefs are inherently disingenuous.