Lets Be Honest About Praying

[ghunter]

When I tell someone I will pray for you, I usually do and I try to remember to keep praying for that person and whatever they need prayer for.  I also ask for their prayer because prayer changes things.

[SherylsShado]

Answer to "the game"...



Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy have never changed the lives of ONE alcoholic, drug addict, gambling addict, or anyone else... like Jesus has.

[Earle12]

PRAYER IS VITALLY IMPORTANT IN OUR LIVES TODAY,I BELIEVE EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE TIME OUT FOR PRAYER BE IT FOR YOURSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE.

[falcon9]

I wasn't snipping your replies "to remove context" to upset you.  I believe I had mentioned that I was tired, I had 4 hours to get some sleep and needed then to get to work.  I simply didn't have the time for it all.  There were some things I was going to say to you in response to some of your comments...it's just a matter of me trying to find them now (and hopefully when I do, I'll not only remember what I wanted to say but will make sense when I do...      *sorry I'm a little "scrambled", I've had a very stressful couple of months with the "guarantee" of a few more to come, and it just seems like there is so much to deal with that I can't stay focused on anything.  Having no sleep doesn't help matters much.  I'm trying...
(I'm sure you'll agree that I can be very trying...)

That's fine, no doubt everyone has varying degrees of stress at times and we do what we can.  It's possible that some exasperation came through concerning another's context-snipping and my patience was finally wearing thin with the perception that was occurring again. That said, if these exchanges add to your stress, you may want to consider omitting them until they can be taken in stride.

[falcon9]

I also ask for their prayer because prayer changes things.

What changes are you attributing to 'prayer' and why are you attributing them to it?

[SherylsShado]

That's fine, no doubt everyone has varying degrees of stress at times and we do what we can.  It's possible that some exasperation came through concerning another's context-snipping and my patience was finally wearing thin with the perception that was occurring again. That said, if these exchanges add to your stress, you may want to consider omitting them until they can be taken in stride.

No, these exchanges don't add to my stress...but thanks. 

Sometimes in life we have to do things that we don't want to do at all...doctor's visits, lab work, waiting for the results...hate it!  I hate the entire hospital scene, I don't have the patience for "sick time".  I wish I could go to website, type in the symptoms and they could just e-mail me my diagnosis and the treatment.  The first open apppointment isn't for 2 months. In the meantime, can't sleep...can't focus at work, can't remember anything, not much getting done.  My friends/co-workers are all like "WHAT is going on" because they know I'm not like this.  (Someone really threw a "monkey-wrench" in my plans and now my normal routine is off and I'm having a hard time functioning...that's what is really stressing me out I guess.  It'll be alright.)

[falcon9]

No, these exchanges don't add to my stress...but thanks.  

Sometimes in life we have to do things that we don't want to do at all...doctor's visits, lab work, waiting for the results...hate it!  I hate the entire hospital scene, I don't have the patience for "sick time".  I wish I could go to website, type in the symptoms and they could just e-mail me my diagnosis and the treatment.  The first open apppointment isn't for 2 months. In the meantime, can't sleep...can't focus at work, can't remember anything, not much getting done.  My friends/co-workers are all like "WHAT is going on" because they know I'm not like this.  (Someone really threw a "monkey-wrench" in my plans and now my normal routine is off and I'm having a hard time functioning...that's what is really stressing me out I guess.  It'll be alright.)

If it's within the ability of the medical profession to repair, (and not just 'treat'; as it seems they are able to actually 'fix' less and less these days), no doubt they will do their best.  As long as you aren't attributing your condition to such things as "satan" ...

[queenofnines]

Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy have never changed the lives of ONE alcoholic, drug addict, gambling addict, or anyone else... like Jesus has.

Neither has Jesus.  Any addict who has been able to overcome their troubles has done so on their own merits (and/or through the help of other PEOPLE).

I'd advise against comparing Jesus to Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, because you're walking yourself into a trap right there.

[falcon9]

Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy have never changed the lives of ONE alcoholic, drug addict, gambling addict, or anyone else... like Jesus has.

Neither has Jesus.  Any addict who has been able to overcome their troubles has done so on their own merits (and/or through the help of other PEOPLE).

I'd advise against comparing Jesus to Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, because you're walking yourself into a trap right there.

Presumably, the inference was that religious adherents are erroneously attributing effects to a religious cause.  This is much like attributing xmyth gifts to "santa", easter eggs to an "easter bunny" or money under a pillow to a "tooth fairy", (false attributions).  When this is pointed out, many religious adherents will fall into the 'trap' of demanding negative 'proof', (e.g., 'prove it wasn't jesus').  Such a demand is a logical fallacy however, it is possible to prove that xmyth gifts aren't from "santa", eggs aren't from "bunnies" and cash-for-teeth isn't from "tooth-fairies".

[SherylsShado]

It is possible to find multitudes of people's testimonies on the internet about how Jesus has changed their lives.     

One example:  Nicky Cruz's Testimony: Gang Leader Miracle
Hear the amazing story of violent New York City street gang leader Nicky Cruz and how his life was miraculously transformed by Jesus Christ.  http://www.washedred.com/content/?contentID=31

[falcon9]

It is possible to find multitudes of people's testimonies on the internet about how Jesus has changed their lives.    

Such testimony does not constitute evidence supporting the questionable attribution of 'changes' to a supernatural source.  

One can locate hundreds of 'witness testimonies' concerning U.F.O. sightings being attributed to alien craft.  This does not mean that such attributions are accurate ones.

[SherylsShado]

It is possible to find multitudes of people's testimonies on the internet about how Jesus has changed their lives.     

Such testimony does not constitute evidence supporting the questionable attribution of 'changes' to a supernatural source. 

Sure it does, but how would you know since you didn't even check it out to know?  (the testimony is 6:51 long, considering how fast you posted your reply...you wouldn't know.)

[SherylsShado]

One can locate hundreds of 'witness testimonies' concerning U.F.O. sightings being attributed to alien craft.  This does not mean that such attributions are accurate ones.

 
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And just they didn't personally involve you...doesn't mean they aren't.  Considering how many 'witness testimonies' there are out there, I think it would be very "close minded" to just say there is no accuracy in any of them.  Obviously something is going on when so many different people from all different walks of life stumble upon something so 'astounding' that it changes them forever.
 

[falcon9]

... how would you know since you didn't even check it out to know?  (the testimony is 6:51 long, considering how fast you posted your reply...you wouldn't know.)

I'd know because such "testimony" does not constitute evidence; it constitutes a de facto unsupported attribution.  As the example emphasized; testimonial reports attributing U.F.O. sightings to alien spacecraft do not constitute evidence of alien spacecraft, (that takes evidence, not a 'belief' that unidentified flying objects are alien craft).

[falcon9]

And just they didn't personally involve you...doesn't mean they aren't.  Considering how many 'witness testimonies' there are out there, I think it would be very "close minded" to just say there is no accuracy in any of them.  Obviously something is going on when so many different people from all different walks of life stumble upon something so 'astounding' that it changes them forever.

Something going on does not equate to 'U.F.O.s are alien spacecraft'.  U.F.O. simply means unidentified flying object, (not 'I.A.S.': 'identified alien spacecraft').  Approximately 95% of U.F.O. investigated U.F.O. reports can be/have been attributed to other causes than alien spacecraft.  This does not mean that 5% were alien craft; it means that the remaining 5% are due to unknown causes.