Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?

[sigmapi1501]

I think what he means is that when you agree with his views you are patriotic and love america.  When you disagree you are mindless and easily follow.   

No, I meant that you are trying to defend the indefensible by out and out lying.

You do this because your party loyalty trumps what is patritic and 'American'.

You smile when your leaders trample the Constitution.

Understand now?

Sure. When exactly was the constitution "trampled" again?

Lets start with ObamaCare.  The we can move to the National Defense Authorization Act.  I'll let you begin the twisted defense of the indefensible and lying now.  Just a couple of hints to get you started, Democrat.  The Constitution does not allow the government to force you to purchase a good or a service without you first engaging in some sort of act (examples driving, interstate commerce).  We are also protected by the 6th and 14th Amendments with that quaint notion of trials by jury and such.

I will look forward to your contorted explanation of why you feel that these acts by a clown president are not 'trampling' of our rights.

Exactly where in the constitution does it say the government can't force you to purchase a good or service? I doubt driving was in there. Pretty sure cars weren't invented yet.  But you're just assuming that I would say the government forces us to buy car insurance. Fox speak has created extra  lines in the constitution now?

[sigmapi1501]

It's all Rush/Fox talking points given to hillbillies so they can bark.

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Exactly where in the constitution does it say the government can't force you to purchase a good or service? I doubt driving was in there. Pretty sure cars weren't invented yet.  But you're just assuming that I would say the government forces us to buy car insurance. Fox speak has created extra  lines in the constitution now?

Remember, The Constitution doesn't have to say something is forbidden in order to make it forbidden.  The constitution is a simple document that defines what powers the federal government has.  Anything not mentioned is forbidden because it isn't a power granted.  Basically the states gave a portion of their authority to the federal government, and the authority they gave was enumerated in The Constitution.  The federal government draws it's powers from the states and they ultimately retain any power not expressly given to the federal government.

[Joeyramone]

I think what he means is that when you agree with his views you are patriotic and love america.  When you disagree you are mindless and easily follow.   

No, I meant that you are trying to defend the indefensible by out and out lying.

You do this because your party loyalty trumps what is patritic and 'American'.

You smile when your leaders trample the Constitution.

Understand now?

Sure. When exactly was the constitution "trampled" again?

Lets start with ObamaCare.  The we can move to the National Defense Authorization Act.  I'll let you begin the twisted defense of the indefensible and lying now.  Just a couple of hints to get you started, Democrat.  The Constitution does not allow the government to force you to purchase a good or a service without you first engaging in some sort of act (examples driving, interstate commerce).  We are also protected by the 6th and 14th Amendments with that quaint notion of trials by jury and such.

I will look forward to your contorted explanation of why you feel that these acts by a clown president are not 'trampling' of our rights.

Exactly where in the constitution does it say the government can't force you to purchase a good or service? I doubt driving was in there. Pretty sure cars weren't invented yet.  But you're just assuming that I would say the government forces us to buy car insurance. Fox speak has created extra  lines in the constitution now?

You are even more ignorant than I imagined... and I imagined a lot.  If you paid a second of attention to the debate, you would know that is the crux of the argument against it.  The Constitution protects our liberties and has what are called enumerated powers.  The enumerated powers in the Constitution do not allow the government to mandate a purchase of a good or service as a condition of beoing alive.  Your boundless ignorance of the Constitution is astonishing but also illustrative as to why you are a party over country Democrat.  My view on ObamaCare isn't my own.  It has been challenged in court and found to be unconstitutional.  In a few months the Supreme Court will rule it unconstitutional as well.  Also, I added driving as an example where government could force you to buy a good or service as a condition of engaging in an activity or commerce.  Again, your ignorance leaves you no room to learn or listen.  I assumed you would use the discredited driving argument to support ObamaCare as his minions have tried (and failed) in the past.  Apparently you are so far behind the debate you haven't heard that one.  Love the 'Fox speak' line... this coming from an ignorant party over country Democrat whos news and information comes from the back of a cereal box.

So, now that you lied and were caught.  Now that you are shown to have almost no understanding of the debate at hand and have absolutely no knowledge of the US Constitution, could you please apologize and give up showing us how totally ignorant you are?  I would have been embarassed and given up long ago.  Apparently you are taking the donkey icon of your beloved Democrat party to its (il)logical end.  What a mindless puppet you are.

Care to try again?  Or have you had enough humiliation on this thread?

[sigmapi1501]

I think what he means is that when you agree with his views you are patriotic and love america.  When you disagree you are mindless and easily follow.   

No, I meant that you are trying to defend the indefensible by out and out lying.

You do this because your party loyalty trumps what is patritic and 'American'.

You smile when your leaders trample the Constitution.

Understand now?

Sure. When exactly was the constitution "trampled" again?

Lets start with ObamaCare.  The we can move to the National Defense Authorization Act.  I'll let you begin the twisted defense of the indefensible and lying now.  Just a couple of hints to get you started, Democrat.  The Constitution does not allow the government to force you to purchase a good or a service without you first engaging in some sort of act (examples driving, interstate commerce).  We are also protected by the 6th and 14th Amendments with that quaint notion of trials by jury and such.

I will look forward to your contorted explanation of why you feel that these acts by a clown president are not 'trampling' of our rights.

Exactly where in the constitution does it say the government can't force you to purchase a good or service? I doubt driving was in there. Pretty sure cars weren't invented yet.  But you're just assuming that I would say the government forces us to buy car insurance. Fox speak has created extra  lines in the constitution now?

You are even more ignorant than I imagined... and I imagined a lot.  If you paid a second of attention to the debate, you would know that is the crux of the argument against it.  The Constitution protects our liberties and has what are called enumerated powers.  The enumerated powers in the Constitution do not allow the government to mandate a purchase of a good or service as a condition of beoing alive.  Your boundless ignorance of the Constitution is astonishing but also illustrative as to why you are a party over country Democrat.  My view on ObamaCare isn't my own.  It has been challenged in court and found to be unconstitutional.  In a few months the Supreme Court will rule it unconstitutional as well.  Also, I added driving as an example where government could force you to buy a good or service as a condition of engaging in an activity or commerce.  Again, your ignorance leaves you no room to learn or listen.  I assumed you would use the discredited driving argument to support ObamaCare as his minions have tried (and failed) in the past.  Apparently you are so far behind the debate you haven't heard that one.  Love the 'Fox speak' line... this coming from an ignorant party over country Democrat whos news and information comes from the back of a cereal box.

So, now that you lied and were caught.  Now that you are shown to have almost no understanding of the debate at hand and have absolutely no knowledge of the US Constitution, could you please apologize and give up showing us how totally ignorant you are?  I would have been embarassed and given up long ago.  Apparently you are taking the donkey icon of your beloved Democrat party to its (il)logical end.  What a mindless puppet you are.

Care to try again?  Or have you had enough humiliation on this thread?

*bleep*

[Joeyramone]

I think what he means is that when you agree with his views you are patriotic and love america.  When you disagree you are mindless and easily follow.   

No, I meant that you are trying to defend the indefensible by out and out lying.

You do this because your party loyalty trumps what is patritic and 'American'.

You smile when your leaders trample the Constitution.

Understand now?

Sure. When exactly was the constitution "trampled" again?

Lets start with ObamaCare.  The we can move to the National Defense Authorization Act.  I'll let you begin the twisted defense of the indefensible and lying now.  Just a couple of hints to get you started, Democrat.  The Constitution does not allow the government to force you to purchase a good or a service without you first engaging in some sort of act (examples driving, interstate commerce).  We are also protected by the 6th and 14th Amendments with that quaint notion of trials by jury and such.

I will look forward to your contorted explanation of why you feel that these acts by a clown president are not 'trampling' of our rights.

Exactly where in the constitution does it say the government can't force you to purchase a good or service? I doubt driving was in there. Pretty sure cars weren't invented yet.  But you're just assuming that I would say the government forces us to buy car insurance. Fox speak has created extra  lines in the constitution now?

You are even more ignorant than I imagined... and I imagined a lot.  If you paid a second of attention to the debate, you would know that is the crux of the argument against it.  The Constitution protects our liberties and has what are called enumerated powers.  The enumerated powers in the Constitution do not allow the government to mandate a purchase of a good or service as a condition of beoing alive.  Your boundless ignorance of the Constitution is astonishing but also illustrative as to why you are a party over country Democrat.  My view on ObamaCare isn't my own.  It has been challenged in court and found to be unconstitutional.  In a few months the Supreme Court will rule it unconstitutional as well.  Also, I added driving as an example where government could force you to buy a good or service as a condition of engaging in an activity or commerce.  Again, your ignorance leaves you no room to learn or listen.  I assumed you would use the discredited driving argument to support ObamaCare as his minions have tried (and failed) in the past.  Apparently you are so far behind the debate you haven't heard that one.  Love the 'Fox speak' line... this coming from an ignorant party over country Democrat whos news and information comes from the back of a cereal box.

So, now that you lied and were caught.  Now that you are shown to have almost no understanding of the debate at hand and have absolutely no knowledge of the US Constitution, could you please apologize and give up showing us how totally ignorant you are?  I would have been embarassed and given up long ago.  Apparently you are taking the donkey icon of your beloved Democrat party to its (il)logical end.  What a mindless puppet you are.

Care to try again?  Or have you had enough humiliation on this thread?

*bleep*

Ha ha ha ha ha... You lose lying, ignorant Democrat.  You are a truly sickening individual.  Tough when there aren't facts on your side to back up your feelings.  I am surprised it took you this long to collapse into full name calling mode... it always happens when you back a party over country Democrat in the corner with fact and logic.

[Joeyramone]

Exactly where in the constitution does it say the government can't force you to purchase a good or service? I doubt driving was in there. Pretty sure cars weren't invented yet.  But you're just assuming that I would say the government forces us to buy car insurance. Fox speak has created extra  lines in the constitution now?

Remember, The Constitution doesn't have to say something is forbidden in order to make it forbidden.  The constitution is a simple document that defines what powers the federal government has.  Anything not mentioned is forbidden because it isn't a power granted.  Basically the states gave a portion of their authority to the federal government, and the authority they gave was enumerated in The Constitution.  The federal government draws it's powers from the states and they ultimately retain any power not expressly given to the federal government.

Party over country Democrats and the new Progressives hate the US Constitution and do not understand a thing in it.  Arguing with this guy is like trying to tell the Pope that God does not exist.  Their left wing politics are a religious cult based on faith rather than fact.  A sad state of affairs as we head off the end of the road into the abyss... SigmPi and the rest of them will still be singing from their hymnals as they plummet.

[sigmapi1501]

Exactly where in the constitution does it say the government can't force you to purchase a good or service? I doubt driving was in there. Pretty sure cars weren't invented yet.  But you're just assuming that I would say the government forces us to buy car insurance. Fox speak has created extra  lines in the constitution now?

Remember, The Constitution doesn't have to say something is forbidden in order to make it forbidden.  The constitution is a simple document that defines what powers the federal government has.  Anything not mentioned is forbidden because it isn't a power granted.  Basically the states gave a portion of their authority to the federal government, and the authority they gave was enumerated in The Constitution.  The federal government draws it's powers from the states and they ultimately retain any power not expressly given to the federal government.

Party over country Democrats and the new Progressives hate the US Constitution and do not understand a thing in it.  Arguing with this guy is like trying to tell the Pope that God does not exist.  Their left wing politics are a religious cult based on faith rather than fact.  A sad state of affairs as we head off the end of the road into the abyss... SigmPi and the rest of them will still be singing from their hymnals as they plummet.

so we are wrong about healthcare. id prefer if we could have the canadian model here. It probably won't be very sucessfull in 2014 when the mandate kicks in. Especially since the fine for not getting insurance will be cheaper than the price of insurance for many. Yes, a potential money grab.

But Im not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I know that so many other issues are better handled by democrats. socially, the republican party is in the stone ages. As far as the environment, people in the republican party still call climate change a "myth". I also feel a bulk of the taxes should be paid by the VERY wealthy. Middle class guys like you and I shouldn't have to shoulder

[sigmapi1501]

Shoulder the same burden as the wealthy. The poor cannot afford to pay, no one expects them to. But tax cuts for extremely wealthy folks leads to a heavier burden on the middle class.

Will obamacare be the answer? No. But it is progress. I am for progress. It will hopefully eventually lead to the canadian model of healthcare someday.

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so we are wrong about healthcare. id prefer if we could have the canadian model here. It probably won't be very sucessfull in 2014 when the mandate kicks in. Especially since the fine for not getting insurance will be cheaper than the price of insurance for many. Yes, a potential money grab.

But Im not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I know that so many other issues are better handled by democrats. socially, the republican party is in the stone ages. As far as the environment, people in the republican party still call climate change a "myth". I also feel a bulk of the taxes should be paid by the VERY wealthy. Middle class guys like you and I shouldn't have to shoulder

Insurance has always been a fools bet.  In order for insurance/health care to work, it must charge a greater amount than it provides as a service.  It went from a foolish luxury to suddenly being considered a requirement.  Being forced to buy this is enslaving me so that the government can wager a bad bet and that does not sit well at all with me.

History tells us that virtually every civil rights and social rights bill was penned by a Republican.  What are some of the social bills democrats penned...oh yeah jim crow, segregation are two of their biggest.  That has always been the democratic way, executive with force at the expense of the freedom and liberties of the people.  Republicans do not deny climate change as climate change has been ongoing since the earth had a climate.  They deny evidence of man made climate change (they don't consider the man made data to indicate man made climate change to be valid -- nor should anyone with any lack of gullibility).  I lived through the great global freezing scare, through the global warming scare and now I see some are already starting the global freezing scare again haha.  I suspect I may live through it too.

[Falconer02]

Ha ha ha ha ha... You lose lying, ignorant Democrat.  You are a truly sickening individual.  Tough when there aren't facts on your side to back up your feelings.  I am surprised it took you this long to collapse into full name calling mode... it always happens when you back a party over country Democrat in the corner with fact and logic.  

You sound like an 80's cartoon villain.

History tells us that virtually every civil rights and social rights bill was penned by a Republican.  What are some of the social bills democrats penned...oh yeah jim crow, segregation are two of their biggest.  That has always been the democratic way, executive with force at the expense of the freedom and liberties of the people.

Past vs. present. The D's even supported the KKK way back in the day, but now? Of course not. D+R's have changed a lot just in the last 20 years alone, and the amount of blatant racism and sexism still coming from republicans is mind boggling when weighed against the Democratic party-- Sigi is 100% right when he says the R's are still in the stone age when it comes to social qualities.

Republicans do not deny climate change as climate change has been ongoing since the earth had a climate.  They deny evidence of man made climate change (they don't consider the man made data to indicate man made climate change to be valid -- nor should anyone with any lack of gullibility).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI5ulKiZAoE

[sigmapi1501]

If you think man made pollution isnt effecting climate change even in the face of scientific evidence there is no hope for you.

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History tells us that virtually every civil rights and social rights bill was penned by a Republican.  What are some of the social bills democrats penned...oh yeah jim crow, segregation are two of their biggest.  That has always been the democratic way, executive with force at the expense of the freedom and liberties of the people.

Past vs. present. The D's even supported the KKK way back in the day, but now? Of course not. D+R's have changed a lot just in the last 20 years alone, and the amount of blatant racism and sexism still coming from republicans is mind boggling when weighed against the Democratic party-- Sigi is 100% right when he says the R's are still in the stone age when it comes to social qualities.

Democrats actually created the KKK, it was their militant arm.  There was even ex KKK grand wizard as a senator of the democratic party as recent as 2010 (he publicly used racial slurs as late as 2001 so when he changed his ways I am not quite sure).  Yeah times have certainly changed.  Most republicans today seem more like democrats of 20 years ago and most democrats seem like a major left shift from what they used to be. 

I don't see much, if any, racism and sexism from the republicans but I see quite a bit of it from the democrats when a woman or minority is a republican or sides with the republicans in an issue.  It honestly seems to me that democrats treat women and minorities as property.  I don't know if our difference in how we see this is ideological or what but what I described is as unbiased as I can be describing what I see.  Sure the democrats are more apt to give 'free' (*cough* since anytime the government gives something away for free it is through enslaving or stealing from others) stuff to minorities, or special privileges above and beyond everyone else.  This seems to be a clever and long thought out vote buying process if you ask me though.  Republicans seem to me to treat everyone the same regarding race and gender with no special considerations given based on such.

I try to check multiple sources of media to get a feel of what is all out there.  I don't trust any of them as they all have their bias (I would relish the old days when it was the media for the people against the government...).  I just don't see the racism you describe.  I do see quite a bit of accusation of racism but no evidence is ever provided, or if it is it always seems to be in the form of "..doesn't want to give special privileges...".  Maybe you could expand on some examples as there could be things I have missed.

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If you think man made pollution isnt effecting climate change even in the face of scientific evidence there is no hope for you.

First I would love to see some untainted scientific evidence.  Carbon, for instance, has never been proven to be a precursor of warming, but instead a follower of warming.  Oh wait, the global warming group realized that recently and changed their phrase from 'global warming' to 'climate change' since they also realized the earth wasn't warming like they claimed it was.

Let me repeat this again.  When I was a kid it was global freezing.  They had all this fancy data and fancy charts and 'scientific' evidence of our impending doom.  We have since passed that 'doom'.  Then it was global warming.  Then it was climate change.  Now there are many talking about global freezing again.  Credited 'scientists' in all of these groups, and all with their hands out asking for money to prove this or that.  Nice charts and data in all of these groups.  Even if it was real, I simply don't care anymore as they cried wolf far too many times.  Also, according to the fear evidence presented by the global warming proponents it was far too late to do anything about it to save us by the time they discovered it.  Now perhaps they used too much 'fear' in their arguments but simply going by their data there is no way to prevent this impeding doom even if you killed every single human on the planet tomorrow. 

[constance312003]

Thought the topic was who we wanted as the Republican nominee?  Sounds more like a shouting match.  I don't think name calling helps in any debate. By the way I like Newt over Mitt but wanted Rick Perry.