there is no god?

[falcon9]

Not even sure what angle to approach this one from at this point.  Those who want to immediately jump in to defend the existence of God, why is that question such a bad thing?  I believe in God, but I have no problem with that question being asked, or with discussing it.

That's sounds reasonable.  What causes you to believe, (without using the word "faith"), in such a concept?

[JediJohnnie]

All the wonders around us are accidental.
No Almighty hand made a thousand-billion stars.

And what would be so horrible about this reality, exactly?

No power keeps them on their steady course.

"Steady course"?  What about asteroids, comets, and meteors?

"No power"?  Uh, ever hear of the laws of physics?

The earth spins itself to keep the oceans from falling off, towards the sun.

That is a really dumb, unscientific statement.  Sorry.

Infants teach themselves to cry when they are hungry or hurt.

No they don't.  It's called instinct.  Because, you know, we're mammals.

A small flower invented itself so that we could extract digitalis, for sick hearts.
The earth gave itself day and night, tilted itself so that we get seasons.

These conditions were by no means crafted for "us", and there's plenty of conditions that work against us if you would only open your eyes.

How about the sugar thermostat in the pancreas?
It maintains a level of sugar in blood sufficient for energy.

There's this disease called diabetes...you may have heard of it...so there goes your theory of an "intelligently designed" body.

Why does snow sit on mountain-tops, waiting for the warm spring sun to melt it, at just the right time for young crops in the farm below to drink?

Please.  Ever wonder why MILLIONS die of starvation every day?  It's because very little of the earth's land is hospitable to said crops.

The human heart will beat for 70 to 80 years, without faltering.

And heart disease is the number one killer because...?  Hello!

Who gave the human tongue flexibility to form words, and a brain to understand them, but denied it to all other animals?

Ignorance, this is.  Do you honestly believe that no other animal communicates?!

Who showed a womb how to take the love of two people, and keep splitting tiny ovum until,
in a time,a baby would have the proper number of fingers, eyes,ears and hair in all the right places, and come into the world when it is strong enough to sustain life?

Birth defects, spontaneous miscarriages, rape...sorry to rain on your parade.  Also, the infant mortality rate has only improved due to medical science.  Just 100 years ago, many children didn't make it to age 5.


Your post is all very "poetic" but...wrong.

This is all pretty sad,IMO.Not one of these objections prove God doesn't exist.

[JediJohnnie]

The Bible tells us God revealed Himself to us as The Father.That's good enough for me.

Using that inconclusive source does not constitute valid supportive evidence.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

It is a very conclusive source when you consider the Bible is Divine in origin.

[falcon9]

Oh, yes there is a God and he is very much REAL!

You've got evidence to support your claim that there is a "real god", right?

Have you evidence that God doesn't exist?Oh,that's right!Atheists don't have to disprove anything with facts!How convenient!

The requirement for the claimaint to provide supporting evidence for their initial claim exists because of the logical fallacy inherent in going around attempting to prove an infinite number of things 'do not exist'.  Do you have evidence that Falconeer02's invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist?  Do you have evidence supporting the non-existence of anything?

Your continued insistance upon this logical fallacy provides evidence of an apparent diminished reasoning ability.

[falcon9]

All the wonders around us are accidental.
No Almighty hand made a thousand-billion stars.

And what would be so horrible about this reality, exactly?

No power keeps them on their steady course.

"Steady course"?  What about asteroids, comets, and meteors?

"No power"?  Uh, ever hear of the laws of physics?

The earth spins itself to keep the oceans from falling off, towards the sun.

That is a really dumb, unscientific statement.  Sorry.

Infants teach themselves to cry when they are hungry or hurt.

No they don't.  It's called instinct.  Because, you know, we're mammals.

A small flower invented itself so that we could extract digitalis, for sick hearts.
The earth gave itself day and night, tilted itself so that we get seasons.

These conditions were by no means crafted for "us", and there's plenty of conditions that work against us if you would only open your eyes.

How about the sugar thermostat in the pancreas?
It maintains a level of sugar in blood sufficient for energy.

There's this disease called diabetes...you may have heard of it...so there goes your theory of an "intelligently designed" body.

Why does snow sit on mountain-tops, waiting for the warm spring sun to melt it, at just the right time for young crops in the farm below to drink?

Please.  Ever wonder why MILLIONS die of starvation every day?  It's because very little of the earth's land is hospitable to said crops.

The human heart will beat for 70 to 80 years, without faltering.

And heart disease is the number one killer because...?  Hello!

Who gave the human tongue flexibility to form words, and a brain to understand them, but denied it to all other animals?

Ignorance, this is.  Do you honestly believe that no other animal communicates?!

Who showed a womb how to take the love of two people, and keep splitting tiny ovum until,
in a time,a baby would have the proper number of fingers, eyes,ears and hair in all the right places, and come into the world when it is strong enough to sustain life?

Birth defects, spontaneous miscarriages, rape...sorry to rain on your parade.  Also, the infant mortality rate has only improved due to medical science.  Just 100 years ago, many children didn't make it to age 5.


Your post is all very "poetic" but...wrong.

This is all pretty sad,IMO.Not one of these objections prove God doesn't exist.

The requirement for the claimaint to provide supporting evidence for their initial claim exists because of the logical fallacy inherent in going around attempting to prove an infinite number of things 'do not exist'.  Do you have evidence that Falconeer02's invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist?  Do you have evidence supporting the non-existence of anything?

Your continued insistance upon this logical fallacy provides evidence of an apparent diminished reasoning ability.

[falcon9]

The Bible tells us God revealed Himself to us as The Father.That's good enough for me.

Using that inconclusive source does not constitute valid supportive evidence.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

It is a very conclusive source when you consider the Bible is Divine in origin.

There is no conclusive evidence to support your claim that "the Bible is Divine in origin", unless you have some to present now.

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I believe in God.  I didn't always and used to be an agnostic/sort of determinist.  I understand those with doubts, trust me I do.  For those that do not believe at all, I propose to you an experiment - of sorts.  Make a request either in your head or vocal, it doesn't matter.  Call it a prayer, or not, again it doesn't matter.  You need to be sincere in this request, but you don't have to prostrate yourself or utter biblical passages.  Ask something along the lines of "If there is a God, would you reveal yourself to me?".  You can even explain the extent of your disbelief and the constraints of logic that prevent you from even considering such a thing...except in this request and in that there may be things hidden from your senses.  The scientist in you can even consider this an experiment.  You can even approach it with reasonings that there may be some sort of primal psychological trigger in the subconscious that reacts to this sort of request and models an interpretation of some event to fit a pattern qualifying as a response to this request. 

I can't tell you what results you will get, but I can tell you that something will occur that will make you think back upon your request with some wonder.  It may not be today or tomorrow, but it will happen.  Those firm in their disbelief will immediately wish to qualify the event as pure coincidence, but they will find something within themselves gnawing at that reasoning.  You might well end up still holding to your original position, but you will find the certainty of your convictions somewhat lessened and instead of knowing there is not God, or having doubts in the existence of God you might well find yourself with some doubts to the non existence of God.  I don't consider this an unreasonable thing for me to ask you to do, and again along the lines of scientific study I wouldn't consider performing the request to be unreasonable either.

[patycake56]

Sorry i eg to differ

[queenofnines]

This is all pretty sad,IMO.Not one of these objections prove God doesn't exist.

I wasn't trying to prove your god does not exist.  I was responding to lame "proofs" that he does.

[falcon9]

Not one of these objections prove God doesn't exist.

'A negative proof is a logical fallacy which takes the structure of:
X is true because there is no proof that X is false.
If the only evidence for something's existence is a lack of evidence for it not existing, then the default position is one of skepticism and not credulity. This type of negative proof is common in proofs of God's existence or in pseudosciences where it is used to attempt to shift the burden of proof onto the skeptic rather than the proponent of the idea. The burden of proof is on the individual proposing existence, not the one questioning existence.'

[tantricia44]

dguernsey1 I love your reasoning,in some ways I agree & in others..?.. I believe that the world was made randomly, *IIf there was a real god,he/she wouldn't have made us so flawed & there wouldn't be any of the defects we have now.If god made all those boo boos,I don't think he/she should be entitled a "god" more like a scientist that's gone through thousands & thousands of experiments in ordered to get the final product safe &/or close 2perfect to send out into the public.*I'd rather give the Human race some credit to our accomplishments,our growth,our successes in the medical field & inventions.Now,we can repair the heart to be almost perfectly healed.I give the credit to the scientists & doctors that busted the books & studied w/blood & tears in order to become excellent doctors & continue to fix our flawed bodies.*If anything,I'd rather see "god" as a force than something humans had made up just to scare little kids & adults to follow 1 way of thinking that is usually corrupt & evil.I'd rather think of it as a force.*Quote Obi-Wan Kenobi:The force is within us,gives us power,"energy created by all living things,surrounds us,penetrates us,binds us & the galaxy together!"Isn't this so much nicer than the old doom & gloom, if you sin you'll go to hell BS?.... Oh ya, MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU!

[ladycasshmere]

ALL THE WONDERS OF THE WORLD ARE ACCIDENTAL. DID SOMEONE TELL YOU DOING YOUR LIFETIME THAT YOU WERE AN ACCIDENT? JUST CURIOUS

[Gerianne]

God is the number one scientist, doctor, physicist.....He is number one and the center of our lives. We have free will to make Him the center of our lives. He waits for us.

[abdyer2001]

lol ,  no real response , just a suggestion watch the movie religulous...

[Abrupt]

lol ,  no real response , just a suggestion watch the movie religulous...

Bill Maher are you kidding?  He is the biggest joke there is.