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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2011, 04:49:23 pm »
I suppose, but why do they all have roses in their hands and why are they shouting my name and saying "Pick Me!"
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2011, 07:16:01 pm »
Coming from a vegetarian who is one by personal preference rather than by some ideal, it is not the solution.  We are inherently omnivores and man's ingenuity and resourcefulness is the eventual solution.

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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2011, 07:26:26 pm »
I have become allergic to some vegetables (no clue at all why).  Things like lettuce, which I love, causes me a tremendous amount of pain even if I have the tiniest sliver.  Also some grains bother me as well and a few legumes.
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2011, 08:03:50 pm »
I suppose, but why do they all have roses in their hands and why are they shouting my name and saying "Pick Me!"



Not sure ... medication interactions or, deficiencies caused by a vegetarian diet?
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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2011, 08:21:19 pm »
I have become allergic to some vegetables (no clue at all why).  Things like lettuce, which I love, causes me a tremendous amount of pain even if I have the tiniest sliver.  Also some grains bother me as well and a few legumes.


Presumably, your vegetables get washed before use so, infused pesticides as a culprit?
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2011, 08:37:46 pm »
I suppose, but why do they all have roses in their hands and why are they shouting my name and saying "Pick Me!"



Not sure ... medication interactions or, deficiencies caused by a vegetarian diet?

I don't take medication but perhaps I should...
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2011, 08:43:26 pm »
I suppose, but why do they all have roses in their hands and why are they shouting my name and saying "Pick Me!"


Not sure ... medication interactions or, deficiencies caused by a vegetarian diet?


I don't take medication but perhaps I should...


Less is likely better, depending upon what's wrong.  Could be those infused pesticides though:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/pesticides-fruits-vegetables-healthy/story?id=13831054
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2011, 08:55:06 pm »
I have become allergic to some vegetables (no clue at all why).  Things like lettuce, which I love, causes me a tremendous amount of pain even if I have the tiniest sliver.  Also some grains bother me as well and a few legumes.


Presumably, your vegetables get washed before use so, infused pesticides as a culprit?

I am fairly thorough with washing vegetables but lettuce can be problematic I guess.  I grow a lot of my own and don't use pesticides.  In the case of lettuce it was both from my garden as well as some from market.  It was only after some careful observation that I was able to identify the culprit causing the pain (granted I cannot positively say for certain as my testing method wasn't entirely controlled or anything but I went as far as to skip lunch and try just the smallest bit of lettuce around dinner).  I know about the time it occurred that I had eaten cream of wheat and salad (not together mind you) a few times in the previous days and was fine to suddenly not being able to eat either one without terrible suffering.  Having eliminated them I don't have any more problems and I am too much a coward to revisit them anytime soon.
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2011, 09:06:09 pm »
I am fairly thorough with washing vegetables but lettuce can be problematic I guess.  I grow a lot of my own and don't use pesticides.  In the case of lettuce it was both from my garden as well as some from market.  It was only after some careful observation that I was able to identify the culprit causing the pain (granted I cannot positively say for certain as my testing method wasn't entirely controlled or anything but I went as far as to skip lunch and try just the smallest bit of lettuce around dinner).  I know about the time it occurred that I had eaten cream of wheat and salad (not together mind you) a few times in the previous days and was fine to suddenly not being able to eat either one without terrible suffering.  Having eliminated them I don't have any more problems and I am too much a coward to revisit them anytime soon.


If you've identified the culprit, that's good.  Is it something the rest of the populace needs to be concerned about too?
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2011, 09:23:53 pm »
I am fairly thorough with washing vegetables but lettuce can be problematic I guess.  I grow a lot of my own and don't use pesticides.  In the case of lettuce it was both from my garden as well as some from market.  It was only after some careful observation that I was able to identify the culprit causing the pain (granted I cannot positively say for certain as my testing method wasn't entirely controlled or anything but I went as far as to skip lunch and try just the smallest bit of lettuce around dinner).  I know about the time it occurred that I had eaten cream of wheat and salad (not together mind you) a few times in the previous days and was fine to suddenly not being able to eat either one without terrible suffering.  Having eliminated them I don't have any more problems and I am too much a coward to revisit them anytime soon.


If you've identified the culprit, that's good.  Is it something the rest of the populace needs to be concerned about too?

YES it is!

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Joking of course.  Actually by culprit, I meant the culprit of my pain which in my investigation seemed to strongly indicate lettuce.  I haven't tried close relatives of lettuce to see if there is a similar result and I haven't considered organism that might have a tendency to end up in lettuce naturally.  All I know is (well pretty certain I can only state) that if I eat lettuce I hurt terribly.
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2011, 09:27:30 pm »
Actually by culprit, I meant the culprit of my pain which in my investigation seemed to strongly indicate lettuce.  I haven't tried close relatives of lettuce to see if there is a similar result and I haven't considered organism that might have a tendency to end up in lettuce naturally.  All I know is (well pretty certain I can only state) that if I eat lettuce I hurt terribly.



Well, the chemical components of most lettuce include a diuretic so, you might consider kidney tests if that's a cause of your pain.
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2011, 09:41:49 pm »
Actually by culprit, I meant the culprit of my pain which in my investigation seemed to strongly indicate lettuce.  I haven't tried close relatives of lettuce to see if there is a similar result and I haven't considered organism that might have a tendency to end up in lettuce naturally.  All I know is (well pretty certain I can only state) that if I eat lettuce I hurt terribly.



Well, the chemical components of most lettuce include a diuretic so, you might consider kidney tests if that's a cause of your pain.

I hadn't actually considered that.  But along the lines of diuretic, I drink tons of coffee (regular, not decaf) and never encounter discomfort from it but I don't know enough about the subject to know if they would be similar.  Regarding tests, I am a bit of the stubborn and old-fashioned type and often apply the rule of "If you ignore it, it will not hurt you", and I guess that probably isn't the wisest thing to do but it is my nature.
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2011, 10:05:33 pm »
Well, the chemical components of most lettuce include a diuretic so, you might consider kidney tests if that's a cause of your pain.

I hadn't actually considered that.  But along the lines of diuretic, I drink tons of coffee (regular, not decaf) and never encounter discomfort from it but I don't know enough about the subject to know if they would be similar.  Regarding tests, I am a bit of the stubborn and old-fashioned type and often apply the rule of "If you ignore it, it will not hurt you", and I guess that probably isn't the wisest thing to do but it is my nature.
 


The possible premutations of chemical reactions stymied me in high school so, I looked up lettuce:

http://www.botanical-online.com/medicinalslactucasativasangles.htm

There are all kinds of potential reactions, depending upon many different factors/variables.  I'm not diagnosing or, promoting any hypochondriac inferences; just suggesting some things to consider or not.
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2011, 10:18:43 pm »
Well, the chemical components of most lettuce include a diuretic so, you might consider kidney tests if that's a cause of your pain.

I hadn't actually considered that.  But along the lines of diuretic, I drink tons of coffee (regular, not decaf) and never encounter discomfort from it but I don't know enough about the subject to know if they would be similar.  Regarding tests, I am a bit of the stubborn and old-fashioned type and often apply the rule of "If you ignore it, it will not hurt you", and I guess that probably isn't the wisest thing to do but it is my nature.
 

The possible premutations of chemical reactions stymied me in high school so, I looked up lettuce:

http://www.botanical-online.com/medicinalslactucasativasangles.htm

There are all kinds of potential reactions, depending upon many different factors/variables.  I'm not diagnosing or, promoting any hypochondriac inferences; just suggesting some things to consider or not.


I found the carminative properties interesting.  The pain I experience from lettuce is what one would imagine if they were completely full and their stomach was on the verge of exploding...which would be the opposite of one would expect from a carminative.  Now dill doesn't cause me any discomfort but maybe I will test against some specialized herbs in that regard like star anise maybe.
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Re: Vegetarianism: the solution?
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2011, 10:29:47 pm »
I found the carminative properties interesting.  The pain I experience from lettuce is what one would imagine if they were completely full and their stomach was on the verge of exploding...which would be the opposite of one would expect from a carminative.  Now dill doesn't cause me any discomfort but maybe I will test against some specialized herbs in that regard like star anise maybe.


Excellent idea.  Some people have a tendency to forget that "herbs" are as much 'drugs', (containing chemical components), as synthetics are.  Natural ones can interact with each other and with synthetics, (or, hybrid combinations of the two).  I have a cousin trained to study and discern as much as possible about potential drug interactions and she has no idea about all of the potential combinations.  It's almost like chaos theory and 'islands of stability' when it comes to chemical mixtures.  Some stuff just makes inert ooze, some explodes and some insidiuously affects biological properties in ways which aren't yet understood.
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