Christian is only in the bible twice!!!

[Falconer02]

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his Lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his Lord. If they have called the master of the house (Jesus) Beelzebub (a devil), how much more shall they call them of his household? Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Sad to see that nothing changes with the arrogant fanatics. Hide behind your bible as you head out the door, plz.

Well, I'm a veteran of some of the 'roughest' usenet newsgroups extant and have seen such 'trolling' before, (even if I haven't been here long enough to see but a few example's of hers).  It's odd however, that you've mentioned witchcraft twice in reference to someone who claims to be a xtian minister now.  That's a helluva paradigm shift!

Good to know-- I notice a lot of excellent debaters on this forum tend to come from Usenet and I see you are no exception! But the witchcraft thing-- as I stated earlier it had to do with faith healing and particularly the branch that admits that they've cured people with terrible illnesses. I don't understand how any decent person could preach that brand of magical-thinking when faced with accounts of children dying and the obvious falseness of it shown by sources like James Randi. Christian witchcraft is still witchcraft in the same sense that an 'act of god' is still a magical miracle. One is just more 'primitively dangerous' when preached imo.

What's she going do, thump a bible loudly at us here?  Whoops, she did indeed in 'reply' to your post,

Heh...yep!

As I'd mentioned, I've probably seen as bad or worse in the alt.* usenet hierarchy.  Though I appreciate the heads-up, man.

Now you've got me curious. Have any tales to tell?

[falcon9]

I notice a lot of excellent debaters on this forum tend to come from Usenet and I see you are no exception!

Having arrived on unmoderated usenet with no illusions, most of the 'flame-wars' vets either further honed their skills in critical thinking or, metaphorically perished under the wheels.

But the witchcraft thing-- as I stated earlier it had to do with faith healing and particularly the branch that admits that they've cured people with terrible illnesses. I don't understand how any decent person could preach that brand of magical-thinking when faced with accounts of children dying and the obvious falseness of it shown by sources like James Randi. Christian witchcraft is still witchcraft in the same sense that an 'act of god' is still a magical miracle. One is just more 'primitively dangerous' when preached imo.

Oh, you mean her pentecostal claims?  If so, 'speaking in tongues' in D+D won't do her a whole lot of good.  As far as the ambiguous claims of "faith healing" go, those would be extremely difficult to substantiate on a text forum.  Especially if the claimaint merely insists that her 'word'  be taken for it.  In regards to "christian witchcraft", it may be another one of those 'assimulation' tactics early xtians used on previous pagans.

What's she going do, thump a bible loudly at us here?  Whoops, she did indeed in 'reply' to your post,

Heh...yep!

As I'd mentioned, I've probably seen as bad or worse in the alt.* usenet hierarchy.  Though I appreciate the heads-up, man.

Now you've got me curious. Have any tales to tell?

Well, the alt hierarchy is generally unmoderated, (which essentially means, no holds barred).  That includes the spammers, the cross-posting xtians and others from various other newsgroups and what's euphemistically referred to as "flame-wars".  Although some intense debates do occur from time to time, it has recently evolved into trading insults and such.  Before that advent, I'd spent about a decade on various newsgroups providing those who make unsupported opinion pronouncements with something they apparently hadn't experienced as yet; reasoned dispute and challenges to their empty assertions.  It wouldn't surprise me one bit were some refugees from the usenet wars to end up on FC, (for instance).

[jcribb16]

Falconer, while you are a great one to debate with at times, I think it very unfair of you to jump on Annella like you did with your ugly words, when she was responding to the poster who asked the question.  She was not arguing with him or you or anyone else.  She's entiltled to posting in whatever thread of this forum she wishes - just as you do.  Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false.  This was teflonfanatic's thread to discuss his opinion or question, not a lambast thread on someone else.

[falcon9]

Falconer:  Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false. 

Which things are you disputing as false?  Annella has posted about being pentecostal, faith healing and speaking in tongues. Falconeer mentioned previous lying/exaggerating the claims or statements of others, (before my arrival here), and "promoting witchcraft".  I asked him about the witchcraft thing as that sparked my curiousity, (as far as so-called "christian witchcraft" goes).

[Annella]

Falconer:  Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false.

Which things are you disputing as false?  Annella has posted about being pentecostal, faith healing and speaking in tongues. Falconeer mentioned previous lying/exaggerating the claims or statements of others, (before my arrival here), and "promoting witchcraft".  I asked him about the witchcraft thing as that sparked my curiousity, (as far as so-called "christian witchcraft" goes).

No......I have posted what the Bible says, and that it is still applicable today. It's not false to me, because I believe every word of the Bible....and live it. If you want to call it false, then that is your choice. Your unbelief is your OWN.

Our church follows the Bible explicitly. Healing, being filled with the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues), etc., are Biblical writings that are for us today. I can no more deny they happen today, than I can deny my Jesus. Since I'm walking around with the Holy Ghost inside me, and have witnessed the absolute power of God not just healing, but many miracles, then I'm a direct contradiction against what you believe. So be it. Again, it's your own free choice, and my free choice.

Thank you Julie for your love and solidarity. You are correct, as I can post in here whenever it pleases me and nobody can tell me otherwise. This is a public forum and anybody can post whatever/wherever/whenever they want. Thing is, it's a time waster and I have better things to do with my time then to spin the same old wheels.


 

[falcon9]

Falconer:  Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false. 

Which things are you disputing as false?  Annella has posted about being pentecostal, faith healing and speaking in tongues. Falconeer mentioned previous lying/exaggerating the claims or statements of others, (before my arrival here), and "promoting witchcraft".  I asked him about the witchcraft thing as that sparked my curiousity, (as far as so-called "christian witchcraft" goes).

No......I have posted what the Bible says, and that it is still applicable today. It's not false to me, because I believe every word of the Bible....and live it. If you want to call it false, then that is your choice. Your unbelief is your OWN.

Yes, I'm aware that most pentecostals believe the 'bible' is inerrant.  Such a belief is an unsupported claim. As a result of the Scientific and Technological Revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries, various episodes of the Bible, (for example the Noahide world wide flood, the creation in 6 days, and the creation of women from a man's rib), have in scientific circles been recognised as legendary. This led to an increasing questioning as to the veracity of Biblical texts. According to an article in Theology Today published in 1975, "There have been long periods in the history of the church when biblical inerrancy has not been a critical question. It has in fact been noted that only in the last two centuries can we legitimately speak of a formal doctrine of inerrancy. The arguments pro and con have filled many books, and almost anyone can join in the debate."  Almost anyone.

Our church follows the Bible explicitly. Healing, being filled with the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues), etc., are Biblical writings that are for us today.

Apparently, those sorts of claims are what Falconeer02 was obliquely referring to.  What does you 'inerrant bible' have to say about "suffering a witch to live"?

 

This is a public forum and anybody can post whatever/wherever/whenever they want.
Thing is, it's a time waster and I have better things to do with my time then to spin the same old wheels.

Maybe your wheels are out of alignment and over-inflated then.


 

[Falconer02]

Oh, you mean her pentecostal claims?  If so, 'speaking in tongues' in D+D won't do her a whole lot of good.  As far as the ambiguous claims of "faith healing" go, those would be extremely difficult to substantiate on a text forum.  Especially if the claimaint merely insists that her 'word'  be taken for it.  In regards to "christian witchcraft", it may be another one of those 'assimulation' tactics early xtians used on previous pagans.

Yes. I could be wrong but if I recall correctly, she runs rampant with this lunacy around the country.

Well, the alt hierarchy is generally unmoderated, (which essentially means, no holds barred).  That includes the spammers, the cross-posting xtians and others from various other newsgroups and what's euphemistically referred to as "flame-wars".  Although some intense debates do occur from time to time, it has recently evolved into trading insults and such.  Before that advent, I'd spent about a decade on various newsgroups providing those who make unsupported opinion pronouncements with something they apparently hadn't experienced as yet; reasoned dispute and challenges to their empty assertions.  It wouldn't surprise me one bit were some refugees from the usenet wars to end up on FC, (for instance

Ever been to the SomethingAwful forums?

Falconer, while you are a great one to debate with at times, I think it very unfair of you to jump on Annella like you did with your ugly words

What can I say? The truth is pretty harsh sometimes. I give respect to people that deserve respect. You are a fine example of a woman that's deserving of respect. A person who promotes very dangerous snake-oil lies that have been proven false countless times is a monster.

Maybe your wheels are out of alignment and over-inflated then.

There really are no wheels in this metaphor. She's just grinding metal and thinks it's good for everyone.

[falcon9]

Oh, you mean her pentecostal claims?  If so, 'speaking in tongues' in D+D won't do her a whole lot of good.  As far as the ambiguous claims of "faith healing" go, those would be extremely difficult to substantiate on a text forum.  Especially if the claimaint merely insists that her 'word'  be taken for it.  In regards to "christian witchcraft", it may be another one of those 'assimulation' tactics early xtians used on previous pagans.

Yes. I could be wrong but if I recall correctly, she runs rampant with this lunacy around the country.

It seems as though there ae at least two buyers for every purveyer of snake oil.

Ever been to the SomethingAwful forums?

Not as yet.  Are they moderated?

[quote from jcribb]Falconer, while you are a great one to debate with at times, I think it very unfair of you to jump on Annella like you did with your ugly words[/quote]

What can I say? The truth is pretty harsh sometimes. I give respect to people that deserve respect. You are a fine example of a woman that's deserving of respect. A person who promotes very dangerous snake-oil lies that have been proven false countless times is a monster.

Maybe your wheels are out of alignment and over-inflated then.

There really are no wheels in this metaphor. She's just grinding metal and thinks it's good for everyone.

That was in response to her spinning her own wheels however, her unawareness of grinding metal just means that she'll throw a rod sooner or later.

[teflonfanatic]

Falconer, while you are a great one to debate with at times, I think it very unfair of you to jump on Annella like you did with your ugly words, when she was responding to the poster who asked the question.  She was not arguing with him or you or anyone else.  She's entiltled to posting in whatever thread of this forum she wishes - just as you do.  Then you agitate things more by telling falcon9 things of her which are false.  This was teflonfanatic's thread to discuss his opinion or question, not a lambast thread on someone else.

Well considering Annela destroyed my OP, everything else I talk about now is question instead of opinion. Anyway we both know Falconor can't say away from topics that talk about something that "doesn't exist" (sarcasm).

[Falconer02]

It seems as though there ae at least two buyers for every purveyer of snake oil.

Indeed.

Not as yet.  Are they moderated?

Yeah. The best forum on the internet imo. It's where I first heard about FC. Apparently some users over there own FC or something around those lines. Your posts just remind me of a lot of the constructed political/religious/scientific/philosophical/etc. debate posts I see there. That's why I was originally wondering if you had been there.

Anyway we both know Falconor can't say away from topics that talk about something that "doesn't exist"

Peoples' empty beliefs that they cling to don't exist? Seeing how this thread is one, I think I missed your point.  

[falcon9]

The best forum on the internet imo. It's where I first heard about FC. Apparently some users over there own FC or something around those lines. Your posts just remind me of a lot of the constructed political/religious/scientific/philosophical/etc. debate posts I see there. That's why I was originally wondering if you had been there.

I did go and glance at the outer forum, (only members can look further), to consider whether or not becoming a member would soon get me banned.  Heh.


Posted by teflonfanatic:

Anyway we both know Falconor can't say away from topics that talk about something that "doesn't exist"

Peoples' empty beliefs that they cling to don't exist? Seeing how this thread is one, I think I missed your point.  

As someone else previously specified; the empty beliefs exist because they cannot provide evidence that _what_ those beliefs are in exists.  Its a subtle difference; like when someone tells a hallucinating person that their belief in seeing something that isn't there exists but, that doesn't mean that they are actually seeing something that exists in reality.  Now, go feed your invisible pink unicorn in your garage ... that critter must be starving if its existence depends upon belief that it exists.

[teflonfanatic]

The best forum on the internet imo. It's where I first heard about FC. Apparently some users over there own FC or something around those lines. Your posts just remind me of a lot of the constructed political/religious/scientific/philosophical/etc. debate posts I see there. That's why I was originally wondering if you had been there.

I did go and glance at the outer forum, (only members can look further), to consider whether or not becoming a member would soon get me banned.  Heh.


Posted by teflonfanatic:

Anyway we both know Falconor can't say away from topics that talk about something that "doesn't exist"

Peoples' empty beliefs that they cling to don't exist? Seeing how this thread is one, I think I missed your point.  

As someone else previously specified; the empty beliefs exist because they cannot provide evidence that _what_ those beliefs are in exists.  Its a subtle difference; like when someone tells a hallucinating person that their belief in seeing something that isn't there exists but, that doesn't mean that they are actually seeing something that exists in reality.  Now, go feed your invisible pink unicorn in your garage ... that critter must be starving if its existence depends upon belief that it exists.

The point is you guys can't stay away from topics that talk about things that don't exist, even if your right(which your not) your still in these threads posting... 

[falcon9]

Peoples' empty beliefs that they cling to don't exist? Seeing how this thread is one, I think I missed your point.  

As someone else previously specified; the empty beliefs exist because they cannot provide evidence that _what_ those beliefs are in exists.  Its a subtle difference; like when someone tells a hallucinating person that their belief in seeing something that isn't there exists but, that doesn't mean that they are actually seeing something that exists in reality.  Now, go feed your invisible pink unicorn in your garage ... that critter must be starving if its existence depends upon belief that it exists.

The point is you guys can't stay away from topics that talk about things that don't exist, even if your right(which your not) your still in these threads posting... 

And yet ironically, here you are posting about things that are unlikely to exist ... what a coincidence.

[constance312003]

The word Christian is mentioned twice (Acts 26:28, and I Peter 4:16), both New Testament.

The word Christians (plural) is mentioned once in Acts 11:26, saying that Christ's disciples were called Christians FIRST in Antioch.

How can people be called Christians in the Old Testament when Christ had not come yet to bring Salvation? His death, burial and resurrection happened in the New Testament and after he arose, His followers are called Christians. The "title" was first applied in Acts, which is the birth of the church and those redeemed by the Blood of Christ. The word Christian means to be "Christ like". The saved, redeemed, blood washed, saints, heirs of Salvation, righteous, and Children of the most high, etc, are also words in the Bible referring to Christians.

The word "witness" has many meanings according to the Hebrew and Greek interpretations of the Bible. Mostly witnesses were always required at family dealings of inheritance, buying and selling, family events like weddings and deaths, etc, as well as being a witness for God.

I don't understand your hang up on the number of times a word is mentioned in the Bible and the significance of it's importance if it's mentioned many times or not. That doesn't make sense. It's the plan of Salvation that is important and saving of mankind.

Note: The hare krishna's do not follow Christ but an Indian/hindu god called krishna. Their belief does not even consider a son of God.

Well said.  Also when they called them "Christians" it was not said in praise.  Religion is not important to God.  Following and serving Him is and He who knows Jesus know the Father.

[falcon9]

Religion is not important to God.  Following and serving Him is ...

"Definition of RELIGION:
(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" -
- merriam-webster

Your comments are mutually contradictive, according to the meaning of the term "religion".  Either the 'commitment' to following the religion and specifically "serving" are not important to the alleged deity or, they are.  You can't have it both ways unless you're choosing to be irrational - or, implying that the deity is. {hi, 'Abrupt'}