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[falcon9]

So?  Believers are encouraging believers.  There is nothing whatsoever wrong with that.  

Why is that necessary if you all have "faith", unless such blind faith is weak and requires such 'bolsterings'?

Wow, sarcasm?  People encourage people in all walks of life.   

Nice dishonest try however, the context was/is encouraging religious faith, not any old encouragements.  I can encourage others to not rely upon empty faith and instead, rely on their abilities and that doesn't encourage any blind faith in supernatural 'powers'.

[jcribb16]

Righteous anger is allowed.

Such self-"righteous anger" is still "judging" and still a xtian hypocrisy.  Since I'm not xtian, my admission to judging is not hypocritical.  

You don't have a "free pass" just because you aren't a believer.  You are still accountable for your words and actions, as well as the next person.  

I didn't presume the "free pass" your fellow fundie did when he posted a religious admonishment against judging when he judges often, (and incorrectly to boot).  My posted words are accountable here insofar as they must comply with FC's posting policies and TOS, not to some hypothetical egregore in which I don't believe.

Well, see, here's the thing.  What he posted also complied with FC's posting policies and TOS.  You are the one who took it and made something of it, thinking that you are given a "free pass" to judge others, just because you are not a believer.  Judging others is way more involved than just in the Bible.

 

You are judging believers contemptuously simply because you don't approve of their choice.  It's none of your business what their choice is.  You made your choice and that's your business.  Respect and courtesy are also a given, in general, when speaking with others.  It's called good manners.  But you know this, right?  You just choose to be unmannerly towards believers because of how you view what they are choosing to base their decision on.  That does not mean that you have the privilege and right of being so hateful to believers - you are choosing to act that way.

Actually we do have that right. I have a right to feel, say, and do whatever I want as long as that does not directly harm another individual. And no, you getting your feelings hurt doesn't count. I, nor any other poster in this thread has used any "bad" language. I haven't defamed nor harassed any individual. As far as I know, me and everyone else in this thread has followed this website's TOS and have not broken any laws. "Good Manners" can sometimes be borderline censorship.

See?  You just admitted that it's "sometimes borderline censorship."  That means some are pushing the boundaries of the "golden rules."

He was indicating that your continued insistance upon "good manners" IS borderline censorship.  That's because you've been using a biased selective application of what's "rude" and "disrepectful" to you in order to coerce censorhip, (and at the same time, self-righteously contend that your crap isn't rude, impolite or disrespectful when called on it - that's your hypocrisy, as archived by FC).

I disagree with you - believers are being harassed in here ...

That's fine since I disagree with you when "believers" are spamming unrealted threads with religious proselytions, (check the Offers, Payments and other forums for religious spam or, message ID#s can be listed as evidence), and "harassing" others with such religious propaganda.

To clarify, my feelings are not hurt in the least.  The main reason I am saying anything to a couple in here, is to back and support those believers who are being treated ugly by just posting inspiration, encouragement, verses, prayers, for those who ask for it, need it, or want to share it.  They should not have to feel they can't post in a thread because they know they will be targeted because of their faith.

Such a faux 'white knighting' is unnecessary because those religious adherents have an unreasonable expectation of FC forums being a place for uncontended religious proselytization.  They aren't.  Others are as permitted to dissent/oppose in REPLY to initially-posted religious propaganda as the religious adherents are to initially post such religious proselytizing.

Keep on twisting things to your way of seeing things - you are much happier when you think you are the powerful and oh-so-correct one.  Your attempt at unbiased logic is actually illogically biased.   The crux of the matter is some of you hate and despise the idea of God and think you have the right to mock believers because they choose God.  You have no decency of respect for the believers' choice, and one day, it will catch up with you, and you will eat many of your very own words - and they won't be sweet tasting, either.  

The logical thing, it appears to some atheists, is that believers should make fun of atheists and mock them, and post hateful pics and quotes, because they have the "right" to be ugly.  But, that's wrong, and no one has the 'right' to be ugly to those who don't deserve to be treated that way.

4:45 comes early again, as I have to sub.  Good night.

[falcon9]

For you, conversing intelligently is demonstrably a forlorn hope, (given that you've provided sufficient evidence to support such a contention).

As I'm sure many can see how thankless a task -even attempting-to converse with Falcon can be.

[falcon9]

Keep on twisting things to your way of seeing things - you are much happier when you think you are the powerful and oh-so-correct one.

You're mistaking your reflection in the computer monitor for something other than you talking to yourself. I've 'twisted' nothing and you've produced no evidence to support your contention, (lie).

Your attempt at unbiased logic is actually illogically biased.

Why, because some faith-blinded fundie says so, in lieu of evidence to back up that claim?  Pfft.  Logic is eitehr sound or, unsound.  If unsound, this would be revealed logically by rational counter-argument, (not 'cause I said so' retorts that you resort to). 

Further appeals to selectively-applied 'manners censorship' can be disregarded a specious since they've have already been revealed as superficial attempts at selective censorship.

[jcribb16]

Why repost a requoted bit of religious nonsense you don't follow?  You're in these forums judging constantly, (so am I but, I subscribe to judging and you, the hypocritical pseudo-xtian allegedly do not).

Romans 14:10-13

Righteous anger is allowed.   You don't have a "free pass" just because you aren't a believer.  You are still accountable for your words and actions, as well as the next person.  

King James Version (KJV)
Ephesians 4:26

26"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:"

The context of the verse is to not judge hypocritically.(not that I expect Falcon to understand or except that.)If we as Christians were not to render judgement when needed,things would quickly turn to lawlessness.

And sadly, in our country, we are seeing more and more of the "lawlessness" or laxness of it, happening.  Christians aren't supposed to cower - they are to defend themselves and others when needed.  Thanks for posting that.

Thanks.Jcribb.

I give you credit for you patience and perseverance.As I'm sure many can see how thankless a task -even attempting-to converse with Falcon can be.

Thank you.  Picking on "Christians" by people is become outrageously ridiculous and hateful.  If some really think Christianity, or believing in God, is bad, they will change their tune if Sharia Law keeps infiltrating in, and then tries to take over, stripping everyone of their rights and freedoms, while only being subject to their laws, or die for refusing.

These things are happening that are following Biblical prophecy, including with what's happening between Iran and Israel.  If the U.S. doesn't support Israel, as Obama has shown he does not, and something happens to Israel, this world will not be the same - it will be a scary time for all.  

Anyway, sorry I digressed.  But these things, like even in here, tie in, with things happening today.  Even in the Bible, Jesus spoke of how believers will be mocked and persecuted, for His name's sake.  It's happening, whether in forums, in public, on tv, radio, and elsewhere.  

[jcribb16]

Keep on twisting things to your way of seeing things - you are much happier when you think you are the powerful and oh-so-correct one.

You're mistaking your reflection in the computer monitor for something other than you talking to yourself. I've 'twisted' nothing and you've produced no evidence to support your contention, (lie).

Your attempt at unbiased logic is actually illogically biased.

Why, because some faith-blinded fundie says so, in lieu of evidence to back up that claim?  Pfft.  Logic is eitehr sound or, unsound.  If unsound, this would be revealed logically by rational counter-argument, (not 'cause I said so' retorts that you resort to). 

Further appeals to selectively-applied 'manners censorship' can be disregarded a specious since they've have already been revealed as superficial attempts at selective censorship.

At least you keep on keeping on.  You have to feel empowered and in control and the most knowledged one - Pffft!  That little expression says a lot.  You think way too highly of yourself - but we'll let you since it makes you feel that you are the winner over all.

[falcon9]

Anyway, sorry I digressed.  But these things, like even in here, tie in, with things happening today.  Even in the Bible, Jesus spoke of how believers will be mocked and persecuted, for His name's sake.  It's happening, whether in forums, in public, on tv, radio, and elsewhere.  

That's another bit of self-righteousness on your part; treating every other xtian on these forums as if they were 'defenseless children' who need your pseudo-'protection'.  They're not and you're not some forum protector/superhero.  What's occurred is not a you imagine; those who choose to proselytize their religious blind faith here do not have a free pass to do so unopposed.  If you ever learn that, you can take it or leave it.

[falcon9]

Keep on twisting things to your way of seeing things - you are much happier when you think you are the powerful and oh-so-correct one.

You're mistaking your reflection in the computer monitor for something other than you talking to yourself. I've 'twisted' nothing and you've produced no evidence to support your contention, (lie).

Your attempt at unbiased logic is actually illogically biased.

Why, because some faith-blinded fundie says so, in lieu of evidence to back up that claim?  Pfft.  Logic is eitehr sound or, unsound.  If unsound, this would be revealed logically by rational counter-argument, (not 'cause I said so' retorts that you resort to). 

Further appeals to selectively-applied 'manners censorship' can be disregarded a specious since they've have already been revealed as superficial attempts at selective censorship.

At least you keep on keeping on.  You have to feel empowered and ...

That response of yours wa a non sequitur. It failed to address any of the contentions raised and instead, employed your usual attempts to dodge those contentions with specious diversions.

[tuscarorarain]

I don't say this to sound mean or hurtful, because thats the last thing I would want to do. Still, one day we will all stand before Almighty God. That is reality. I will pray for you and I do hope the best. Whether you hate me or think poorly upon me, I will still pray you get saved.

[tuscarorarain]

1 O LORD, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
 
2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
Matt 21:16
 
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
 
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:6
 
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Heb 2:7
 
6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Heb 2:7,8 1 Cor 15:27 Eph 1:22
 
7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
 
8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
 
9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
 
Psalm 8 KJV Bible

Isaiah
Chapter 53
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
John 12:38 Rom 10:16
 
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
 
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
 
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Mt 8:17
 
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
1 Pet 2:24
 
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Pet 2:25
 
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Acts 8:32
 
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Acts 8:33
 
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
1 Pet 2:22
 
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
 
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
 
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Mark 15:28 Luke 22:37
 


Isiah 53 KJV Bible

[Falconer02]

I don't say this to sound mean or hurtful

Then...don't?

Still, one day we will all stand before Almighty God. That is reality.

How can something be a reality when you can't even present your deity to prove it? Your statement here is arrogant.

I will pray for you and I do hope the best. Whether you hate me or think poorly upon me, I will still pray you get saved.

I don't hate you because there is no reason to hate you. But I do think poorly of your beliefs because you think we need to be 'saved' from whatever horrible afterlife you imagined up for anyone who thinks differently than you do. It's like you sport a 'naive-malevolence' toward freethinkers.

[falcon9]

I don't say this to sound mean or hurtful, because thats the last thing I would want to do. Still, one day we will all stand before Almighty God. That is reality.

No, that's an offensive religious presumption which is based upon blind faith and has no valid supporting evidence that it "is reality".

I will pray for you and I do hope the best. Whether you hate me or think poorly upon me, I will still pray you get saved.

I simply view your self-righteous religious presumptions as self-deluding and offensive faith-blinded nonsense.

[falcon9]

Such initially-posted religious proselytization is offensive to many non-xtians and I'm one of them.  Just as you have the option to post such mind-blinding religious propaganda, so too do others have the option to oppose such irrationality.

O LORD, our Lord ...

“He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for belief in one false principle is the beginning of all unwisdom.”
-- anonymous

[JediJohnnie]

Isaiah 26:7-11

The path of the righteous is level;
    you, the Upright One, make the way of the righteous smooth.
Yes, Lord, walking in the way of your laws,we wait for you;
your name and renown
    are the desire of our hearts.
 My soul yearns for you in the night;
    in the morning my spirit longs for you.
When your judgments come upon the earth,
    the people of the world learn righteousness.
 But when grace is shown to the wicked,
    they do not learn righteousness;
even in a land of uprightness they go on doing evil
    and do not regard the majesty of the Lord.
 Lord, your hand is lifted high,
    but they do not see it.
Let them see your zeal for your people and be put to shame;
    let the fire reserved for your enemies consume them.

[falcon9]

Isaiah 26:7-11