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[falcon9]

People can post what they want.  Others who don't like what they post don't have to go into them.  If the topics are breaking rules, they would be removed. 

We agree on that much.

Since the Bible verse threads are just sharing verses between posters, there is nothing wrong nor breaking rules. 

I never stated that the bible-thumping threads broke any FC posting rules.  Your objection is what is known as a "strawman argument", (in that it argues against something never presented by an opponent), and fallcious on that basis. 

You keep acting like because YOU don't like them and see them as starting trouble ...

I'm not "acting"; bible-thumping religious proselytizing is both sanctimonious propagandizing and permitted, (not supported by), FC's posting rules.  So too are dissenting replies to religious proselytizing under FC's posting rules, (that's the part you don't care for under 'free speech').

Your repetitions in the Bible verse threads, when directed specifically toward Christians sharing verses back and forth, are indeed monotonous, annoying, tiresome, humdrum, uninteresting, long-drawn-out, mind-numbing, irksome, unexciting, soporific, ho-hum, to many in them.  Sounds like we're pretty much even and agreeable about what we both think about each.   

The difference in those opposing 'opinions' is that I'm not repetitiously requoting ancient superstitious texts as described by the adjectives you denoted above and you are.  That's one of the differences between a specious opinion, (yours, being based upon religious bias), and one which has an evidentiary basis, (not yours, that's a prejudicial religious one).  You could claim that my 'opinion' about your opinion has no evidentiary basis, (despite the evidence of hundreds or more bible-thumping posts), however that would just indicate an inability to discern what constitutes valid evidence.

[jcribb16]

Ephesians 5: 19-20, KJV

"19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"


There are so many songs I enjoy that have to do with praising and worshiping God.  Sandy Patti is a favorite with her older songs.  I have sung them a lot in churches and other places.  Southern Gospel is another favorite.  There are too many to list, lol.  

[falcon9]

Ephesians 5: 19-20, KJV

*if inflicting songs on 'em doesn't work*

[YBxEnt]

 :BangHead:Ephesians 5: 19-20, KJV

"19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"

[falcon9]

:BangHead:Ephesians 5: 19-20, KJV

  indeed

[jcribb16]

People can post what they want.  Others who don't like what they post don't have to go into them.  If the topics are breaking rules, they would be removed.

We agree on that much.

Since the Bible verse threads are just sharing verses between posters, there is nothing wrong nor breaking rules.

I never stated that the bible-thumping threads broke any FC posting rules.  Your objection is what is known as a "strawman argument", (in that it argues against something never presented by an opponent), and fallcious on that basis.  

You keep acting like because YOU don't like them and see them as starting trouble ...

I'm not "acting"; bible-thumping religious proselytizing is both sanctimonious propagandizing and permitted, (not supported by), FC's posting rules.  So too are dissenting replies to religious proselytizing under FC's posting rules, (that's the part you don't care for under 'free speech').

Your repetitions in the Bible verse threads, when directed specifically toward Christians sharing verses back and forth, are indeed monotonous, annoying, tiresome, humdrum, uninteresting, long-drawn-out, mind-numbing, irksome, unexciting, soporific, ho-hum, to many in them.  Sounds like we're pretty much even and agreeable about what we both think about each.  

The difference in those opposing 'opinions' is that I'm not repetitiously requoting ancient superstitious texts as described by the adjectives you denoted above and you are.  That's one of the differences between a specious opinion, (yours, being based upon religious bias), and one which has an evidentiary basis, (not yours, that's a prejudicial religious one).  You could claim that my 'opinion' about your opinion has no evidentiary basis, (despite the evidence of hundreds or more bible-thumping posts), however that would just indicate an inability to discern what constitutes valid evidence.

When it comes down to it, what they/we are posting, such as Bible verses, is not wrong and is allowed.  The comment you made, " bible-thumping religious proselytizing is both sanctimonious propagandizing and permitted, (not supported by), FC's posting rules," seems to be saying that FC doesn't support the Bible verses threads.  How would you even know if they "support" them or not?  Whether they do or not, is probably personal and private, and none of the posters' business.  That part you should be leaving out and not speaking for them on their behalf.  The main point is they are allowed and people who enjoy them are sharing back and forth, not hurting anyone.  

If, however, different ones come into threads you are in that have nothing whatsoever to do with Bible verses, then I would disagree with bringing it in there, knowing you do not like them.  To me, they would be following to agitate you deliberately, and that's wrong and not following the rules.  You, however, continue to come into any and/or all Bible verse threads, and make your mean-spirited comments, including posting the same pictures, agitating those who are posting the verses, with no regard nor respect for the fact they aren't even bothering you.  

To Christians, the verses are NOT superstitious, sanctimonious, propaganda, specious, etc.  You cannot prove them false and you choose to dislike them, and that is your prerogative.  But it is not kind, whatsoever, for you to do what you are doing to the posters for sharing verses about their choice in life.  Taking it to the debate and discuss thread is more sensible, since that's exactly what that particular forum is about.  

Free speech is one thing.  In forums, free speech should not be hate speech:

"Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas via speech. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, as with libel, slander, obscenity and incitement to commit a crime.

The right to freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the ICCPR states that "[e]veryone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". Article 19 goes on to say that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".[1][2]"  Wikipedia.org

[jcribb16]

:BangHead:Ephesians 5: 19-20, KJV

"19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"

Interesting.  Your very first post aimed to copy falcon9 and be disrespectful.       Welcome to FC, anyway, and I hope you earn a lot of cash.   

[falcon9]

When it comes down to it, what they/we are posting, such as Bible verses, is not wrong and is allowed.

Neither are posts dissenting with such bible-thumping proselytizations "wrong" and are equally permitted.

The comment you made, " bible-thumping religious proselytizing is both sanctimonious propagandizing and permitted, (not supported by), FC's posting rules," seems to be saying that FC doesn't support the Bible verses threads.  How would you even know if they "support" them or not?

How do I "know"?  FC moderators/Admin does not generally get into the content of posts unless it either violates the TOS, posting policies or they feel like replying to an individual post(s).  What my remark intended was that, as a corporate entity, FC denotes that they neither
support nor, oppose the content of what's posted in their forums, (notwithstanding the aforementioned TOS and posting policies).

Whether they do or not, is probably personal and private, and none of the posters' business.  That part you should be leaving out and not speaking for them on their behalf.

I'm not "speaking for them"; my comment was based upon FC TOS and their 'warning' preceding the d&d subforum specifically.  You really should cease throwing these 'strawman argruments' out to be set afire, (even if it does add the 'smoke' to your "smoke & mirrors" posts).
 

If, however, different ones come into threads you are in that have nothing whatsoever to do with Bible verses, then I would disagree with bringing it in there, knowing you do not like them.  To me, they would be following to agitate you deliberately, and that's wrong and not following the rules.  

Reconsider your contention in light of one of 'your own' doing just that with her "chirp" and previous intentional trolling posts which were 'dragged into' that pseudo-"blog" thread.

You, however, continue to come into any and/or all Bible verse threads, and make your mean-spirited comments, including posting the same pictures, agitating those who are posting the verses, with no regard nor respect for the fact they aren't even bothering you.

You've just stated two mutually-exclusive assertions recently; one, that FC members can post in whichever threads they choose and two, complaining when you don't like the content of those posts, (and continue with attempts to tacitly censor posted replies that you've attached negative adjectives to).  To reiterate once again; those "bible verse threads" are considered by some, (and by myself, specifically), to be sanctimonious religious propaganda/proselytizing which a bunch of xtians have initially posted across several threads.  We've agreed that they are free to do so.  You continue to have a problem with the same freedom to post opposing replies to such 'rude and disrespectful' religious proselytizing.  That's an inherent attempt to censor replies, just because you don't like them.  When you don't like posted replies, FC mods have recommended the use of the "ignore function", (which I've concurred with).  

To Christians, the verses are NOT superstitious, sanctimonious, propaganda, specious, etc..

That's due to not applying critical thinking processes to superstitious/sanctimonious/propagandizing/specious religious beliefs.  

You cannot prove them false ...

Nominally, attempt to 'prove a negative assertion' is a logical fallacy however, the burden of proof rests with those who initially assert a claim, (that is, to provide evidence supporting the validity of their initial claims).  Such religious beliefs, (resting upon faith-without-evidence), have no evidentiary basis therefore, no one needs to "prove" something is false when the claimant fails to "prove" their claims are "true"/valid.

But it is not kind, whatsoever, for you to do what you are doing to the posters for sharing verses about their choice in life.

Neither is it "kind" for bible-thumpers to presumptuously inflict religious propaganda upon those who don't believe such superstitious nonsense.  Just as others can choose to read/not read/ignore such proselytizing, so too are the proselytizers free to read/not read/ignore posted responses to them.  That's how choices work in this instance; both ways - not the one way of religious one-wayism.
 

Taking it to the debate and discuss thread is more sensible, since that's exactly what that particular forum is about.

I don't have a problem with that being done however, the bible thumpings and religious proselytizings occur mainly in the Off Topic forum, (as well as scattered randomly and inappropriately throughout some of the other unrelated forums such as Payments, Offers and Suggestions).  It's almost as if the bible-thumpers view the Off Topic forum as "safe" from dissent just because a contentious topic was posted there, instead of the Off Topic subforum of Debate & Discuss.

Free speech is one thing.  In forums, free speech should not be hate speech.

That often depends upon who gets to define what as "hate speech" as well as any 'liberal' interpretations.

"Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas via speech. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, as with libel, slander, obscenity and incitement to commit a crime.

The right to freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the ICCPR states that "[e]veryone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". Article 19 goes on to say that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".[1][2]"Wikipedia.org

I already understand Article 19 and it's application to internet forums, thanks anyway.  Apparently, you're somewhar unclear on "libel, slander, obscenity and incitement to commit a crime" parts.  If so, consult an attorney.  If not, why are you trying to misapply Article 19's provisions to posted replies on internet forums which do not violate those provisions if not as an inherent attempt to, (once again), censor such replies?

[falcon9]

:BangHead:Ephesians 5: 19-20, KJV

"19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"

Interesting.  Your very first post aimed to copy falcon9 and be disrespectful.      Welcome to FC, anyway

More interestingly, your first post to a newbie was condescending, ("welcome to FC, anyway..."), and as such, disrespectful to the hapless newbie.
 

[jcribb16]

:BangHead:Ephesians 5: 19-20, KJV

"19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;"

Interesting.  Your very first post aimed to copy falcon9 and be disrespectful.      Welcome to FC, anyway

More interestingly, your first post to a newbie was condescending, ("welcome to FC, anyway..."), and as such, disrespectful to the hapless newbie.
 

My welcome was not disrespectful to a newbie who made a first post aping you and being disrespectful to a poster.  I said something about it and then proceeded to welcome the person anyway.  I was not mean in any way, but standing up for myself, and still acknowledging the poster being new with a welcome.

You twist so much of what points are being made - it's ridiculous.  Bible verses are not rude and disrespectful.  They are there for those who enjoy them and respond back and forth.  You already make it know what you think of them.  Yet you continue to post after the majority of responses over and over again.  Why keep doing that?  You are agitating - pure and simple.  Saying it once is good enough - everyone sees and knows.  But to keep on like you do is childish and repetitive immaturity.

The part about free speech I listed, underlined, and you made a remark about, is common sense with regard to which part applies to anything similar in here with free speech.  I didn't want to c/p only parts because that whole line is part of that last sentence.  I guess, for your sake, I should have not underlined those last few words since you obviously knew but chose to be disagreeable about them.  *sigh*  You used that to take the spotlight off of the main part I meant about being respectful of other people. 

The initial posting of these Bible verses are not being rude and are not inciting anyone unless some just choose to come in to read them.  You are choosing to continue to come in those Bible verse threads, knowing what's in there, knowing you don't like them, knowing they have nothing to do with you since you do not adhere to them - you are deliberately choosing to keep coming into them, to mock, belittle, bother, agitate - that's the difference between the verse posters and your posts.  You shouldn't be surprised when others stand up to you - you basically "asked" for it.  And whatever you say about this, you know it's the truth.  You don't like them, can't resist coming in, to make your dislike known, over and over, just to try and rile the other posters.  You are trying to "censor" (since you love that word towards Christians) their posting Bible verses when they are allowed in this forum just like anything else.  You are not debating/discussing - you are trying to "censor" with your disrespectful and repetitive words.  They may be permitted, but they are testing the Golden Rule's boundary line, and you know this perfectly well. 

Regarding FC "not supporting" as you said and I questioned you on this - was indeed a one-sided comment from you, based on your bias of the Bible verse threads.  When you "clarified" this, you then said appropriately what you should have said, in that they NEITHER support NOR oppose the content.  They have to remain neutral.  You, however, were trying to make them look nonsupporting, according to your slant on it.  So, thank you for clarifying correctly the second time.
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Quote from: jcribb16 on June 21, 2012, 05:30:29 pm
To Christians, the verses are NOT superstitious, sanctimonious, propaganda, specious, etc..

Quote from: falcon9:
That's due to not applying critical thinking processes to superstitious/sanctimonious/propagandizing/specious religious beliefs.

I'm sorry, but your answer is plain rude here.  Please stop making Christians look like this - you are absolutely wrong to cut them down like this.  This is a bold and rude statement.

[falcon9]

Bible verses are not rude and disrespectful. 

They are to some of those who do not share that religious belief system.  Is it your "faith" which blinds you to this or, being sanctimonious in not seeing how such would offend muslims, wiccans, satanists, hindus or non-religious persons?  If you are unintentionally providing another example of "blind faith" as evidence, duly noted.

Yet you continue to post after the majority of responses over and over again.  Why keep doing that?  

Although they are quite the "same" responses, it's mainly done because the same biblical quoting/bible-thumping proselytizing is being posted over and over, (and those are subsequently responded to - replies are just that: replies, which means in response to something first posted). 

The initial posting of these Bible verses are not being rude and are not inciting anyone unless some just choose to come in to read them. 

The same would then apply to those who choose to come in and read any replies to those "rude" and "inciting" proselytizing posts. They can choose to read them or, ignore them.  They cannot choose to have them censored just because they don't like the replies and treat some FC threads/forums as if they were exclusive xtian clubs.

You are choosing to continue to come in those Bible verse threads, knowing what's in there, knowing you don't like them, knowing they have nothing to do with you since you do not adhere to them -

By the same token, some xtians "are choosing to continue to come in those Bible verse threads, knowing what's in there", (whether they know or not that there may be responses in those threads which don't conform to their belief system). 

You shouldn't be surprised when others stand up to you - you basically "asked" for it. 

What used to surprise me was the inability of some xtians to perceive that their bible-thumping proselytizations were "asking for it" as well.
 

You are trying to "censor" (since you love that word towards Christians) their posting Bible verses when they are allowed in this forum just like anything else. 

To reiterate the contrary position; my dissent does not tacitly or overtly include censoring xtian propaganda.  The validity of that statement rests in considering that there would be no xtian propaganda to oppose were it censored.  Conversely, your continued attempts to tacitly censor such dissenting replies to religious proselytizing posts remains obvious.

They may be permitted, but they are testing the Golden Rule's boundary line, and you know this perfectly well. 

On the contrary since xtians have begun several religious belief-system threads directly proselytizing their religious beliefs, the "golden rule" does not 'protect' such "rude and disrespectful" posts from being opposed.

Quote from: jcribb16 on June 21, 2012, 05:30:29 pm:
"To Christians, the verses are NOT superstitious, sanctimonious, propaganda, specious, etc.."

Quote from: falcon9:
"That's due to not applying critical thinking processes to superstitious/sanctimonious/propagandizing/specious religious beliefs."

I'm sorry, but your answer is plain rude here.  Please stop making Christians look like this - you are absolutely wrong ... This is a bold and rude statement.

You keep characterizing anything that disagrees with your worldview in that manner. You made the declarative statement that "To Christians, the verses are NOT superstitious, sanctimonious, propaganda, specious, etc." without applying critical thinking beforehand, (as indicated by that declaration lacking objective evidence and relying instead upon biased self-interest perceptions of xtians to xtian posts).  Such postings are 'superstitious' because they have no evidentiary basis.  They're 'sanctimonious' under the definition of that word.  The promotion of a religious belief system via multitudes of bible-thumping quotations is 'propagandizing/proselytizing' a religious belief system.  Which part of that is objectively "absolutely wrong"?  You can certainly dispute each contention on the basis of your religious "faith" however, that same "faith" is accurately defined as 'that which lacks evidence', (as opposed to the evidence of the meanings of the dissenting terms used).

[ejholt]

I like Psalm 91.  It is a protective and healing chapter.  When my Grandson went to Iraq 2 times I told him to read that often.  When I went in hospital in Jan for surgrey I read it before my daughters came and picked me up to go.  And I took my Bible to the nursing home when I went in for threpy and read it often.  Needless to say I did well with my knee replacement and my Grandson came back from Iraq un harmed.  Praise God for looking out for both of us.  Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend and may God bless each of you and keep you safe.

[falcon9]

I like Psalm 91.  It is a protective and healing chapter.  When my Grandson went to Iraq 2 times I told him to read that often.  When I went in hospital in Jan for surgrey I read it before my daughters came and picked me up to go.  And I took my Bible to the nursing home when I went in for threpy and read it often.  Needless to say I did well with my knee replacement and my Grandson came back from Iraq un harmed.  Praise God for looking out for both of us.  Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend and may God bless each of you and keep you safe.

Attributing such events to religious beliefs is a logical fallacy reliant upon belief alone, (faith without valid evidence).

[jcribb16]

I like Psalm 91.  It is a protective and healing chapter.  When my Grandson went to Iraq 2 times I told him to read that often.  When I went in hospital in Jan for surgrey I read it before my daughters came and picked me up to go.  And I took my Bible to the nursing home when I went in for threpy and read it often.  Needless to say I did well with my knee replacement and my Grandson came back from Iraq un harmed.  Praise God for looking out for both of us.  Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend and may God bless each of you and keep you safe.

That is wonderful news for you both!  I'm glad your knee replacement has gone well and that's great that your grandson came back from Iraq safe and sound!  Thank you for sharing about how Psalm 91 has helped you.  He is definitely our shelter, refuge, and fortress. 

[jcribb16]

I like Psalm 91.  It is a protective and healing chapter.  When my Grandson went to Iraq 2 times I told him to read that often.  When I went in hospital in Jan for surgrey I read it before my daughters came and picked me up to go.  And I took my Bible to the nursing home when I went in for threpy and read it often.  Needless to say I did well with my knee replacement and my Grandson came back from Iraq un harmed.  Praise God for looking out for both of us.  Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend and may God bless each of you and keep you safe.

Attributing such events to religious beliefs is a logical fallacy reliant upon belief alone, (faith without valid evidence).

Says you, over and over........