Suggestion: Take Away the $3 Forum Posting Bonus

[dsawan]

I think the forum bonus is useful esp for beginners so please dont eliminate it.

[Graeth]

Second. Though maybe it could be lowered so people aren't scrambling to get the quota by posting the same questions over and over again.
But as it stands, how one cannot use only the forum bonus, I think its pretty good.

[Annella]

If it's a banner advertisement to get referrals JUST for Fusion Cash referrals, posting it in the forum only reaches those who are already members. Anyone else confused?

One more thing, do you really think I would be dumb enough to try to get Fusioncash referrals in the Fusioncash forum?  

A better strategy would be to get people who are having problems getting referrals for Fusioncash and offer them a solution to their problem, wouldn't it?

For one thing I didn't call you dumb so lets keep this on an even keel agreed? All I'm asking is just what is that better strategy if they don't have their own website to market referrals, why would a banner benefit them? I would appreciate an answer to my question without the sarcasm.

I didn't say ANYONE called me dumb, I simple pointed out that anyone who would think they can get Fusioncash Referrals from the Fusioncash Forum would have to be and that's not me. I also don't have a Banner, what I have is a Text Ad, just a point of clarification. There is a banner running in the same spot, but it's not mine.

You seem to be sorting out the people who have their own website from the ones who don't, but that's a 10 minute fix if they want one and it's very inexpensive. If you read my report I show where they can get one for $1 a month. I don't expect every participant of the Forum to need what I offer, it's a sorting process just like any other online advertising and if 2% of the 5,000 people a day that see it respond, I am happy.

I read posts on here day after day saying people can't get referrals and would love me to share how it's done, that is a very common problem anywhere people congregate who are trying to make money online. All I did with my Text Ad, the Splash Page it points to and the Free Report you can grab is try to solve that problem for those who are ready to take action FOR FREE. If I benefit down the road by getting them into some paid program I can profit from, are you insinuating that is bad in some way?

I hope you don't detect any sarcasm in this reply, because none was intended. These are just the facts.

I didn't say anything about what you are doing is bad. However, you are out for profit, and the "banner" option is one that is attractive to you because you already have your network (websites) in place. Sure, if people want to adopt a website that is $1 a month then fine. However, I would be surprised if it stayed that cheap in this economy. Since most people don't have the time to "maintain' or "tweak" a website (myself), then it is a separation of who wants to....or not. All I'm saying is that the "Banner" option separates those who have a website or not. I'm not doing the separation myself. The "Banner" would not benefit anyone without a website. That's all I'm saying.

I will definitely attest to the fact that you paid me nothing to ask anything. I ask questions because I'm very analytical and want to know ALL the details. I don't feel uncomfortable asking about something that seems off or I don't understand. If something is being presented and sounds really good, then I want to know why and how it works, and if it works for everyone or just a select few. Details were a big part of my job with the Government.

Here's a question that you may not want to answer but I'm going to ask it anyway. Do you get referrals given to you if they are not someone else's referral?  In other words, if someone just happens upon Fusion Cash, and signs up, do you get some of those people put under you like they are your referral, even though you didn't refer them?  

[MessiahMews]

I wish this topic and thread would just die already. 

Keep the already generous forum bonus and kill the thread.   

[oldbuddy]

I wish this topic and thread would just die already. 

Keep the already generous forum bonus and kill the thread.   

If you want it to die, just don't read it or respond. If enough people do that it will die, but personally I think it's one of the few threads going that hold my interest.

[oldbuddy]

However, you are out for profit

Isn't that what advertising is all about, trying to make a profit?

Sure, if people want to adopt a website that is $1 a month then fine. However, I would be surprised if it stayed that cheap in this economy.

I have been with them for several years and the price has been stable. The reason they can do it so cheap is they only have email support and no Cpanel, but for splash pages they are not necessary to have.

The "Banner" would not benefit anyone without a website. That's all I'm saying.

Absolutely untrue. The only people the "Banner" would not benefit is those who don't know how to use it. There are plenty of affiliate programs worthy of advertising that only require a link.

and if it works for everyone or just a select few.

The "Banner" works for anyone who wants to learn how to profit from it and that includes me.

Here's a question that you may not want to answer but I'm going to ask it anyway. Do you get referrals given to you if they are not someone else's referral?  

I have never received a referral from Fusioncash that I didn't enroll from my own efforts, I don't need charity.

[U2BMATH]

U2BMATH, What hot seat? It's a viable query to the optional proposal being presented. I would like an answer to my question which is:  If someone does not have a website previously up at the present, or is not planning to get one in the near future, what would the "Banner" option benefit them?  Where does, or would it point to?

While OldBuddy has his marketing websites in place, I can see the benefit for him personally to get behind the "Banner" option. However, not everybody has this in place.

Sorry Annella if my comment was taken the wrong way. I was speaking directly to Oldbuddy, and as I think I have somewhat of a re pore with him, I think he was able to handle the JOKE. No insult was intended. In fact, I never said he WAS in a hot seat, or that one existed. I said "appears" to be in. Whether he felt he was or not, well anyway, we get the point...

To you question you would like an answer to, I would have a question to answer a question, hope you don't mind. My question is this. Should every feature on Fusion Cash benefit every user of Fusion Cash? To my own question I would submit that it does not have to be so. I applaud FC's willingness to make this feature a "possibility" right now. Whether it actually comes to light, is yet to be seen.

I will say this. It didn't take me but a SECOND to notice Oldbuddy's text link, and to visit his splash page, and to track him down elsewhere on the internet. The end result is I found a tool I could use to benefit myself in what it is I do on the Internet. So I see the advantage not only to promote oneself, like Oldbuddy has done, but to benefit myself in seeing what else might be out there, that's working for someone else. And though I have a website of my own (being good, not plugging it), what I got as a benefit today, had nothing to do with that website.

I also see it as quite possible that not everyone will have a need to use this new feature FC is putting out (on a test drive for now). Does that mean that those of us who could use it to our benefit ought not to have it? I would hope not.

If some people are afraid of Email Viruses, then the $0.02 offer would be unbeneficial to them. Should that mean it ought to disappear? I think we would have a riot on our hands if that was the case.

If some people are enjoying the $3.00 Forum bonus, while others don't have time to be bothered with idle, or constructive conversation, should the $3.00 Forum bonus disappear? Again, break out the shields, cuz someone's gonna be throwing stones.

Anyway, I'm not so sure all my comments here are directly thrown at just you Annella. I'm just sorta blabbing away. It's past 2:30am where I am, and my mind isn't as coherent as it was six hours ago. Don't be bothered by much of what I've said. I just felt like sharing some points of view is all. My bet is I'll go to sleep, and wake up tomorrow, and re-read my post here, and wonder how in the world I'm supposed to make sense out of anything I wrote, hehe. And to think, I haven't had any alcohol while writing this thing up.

Now, here's an investment I like. I just put my two cents in, but got $0.10 in return. Not bad!
Mike

[U2BMATH]

One last thought, if I might. In a roundabout way, WE ALL BENEFIT from the feature FC is toying with right now. How?

Well, for those of us that find a need in using it, no doubt there will be a cost associated with it. When I messed around with it, a suggested price was $5.00 a day minimum. Whether that holds true when the feature is officially launched, or not, remains to be seen. But think about this a bit.

The Admin made mention that down the road some day (we don't know when), it may be necessary to lower the $3.00 Forum Bonus. For anyone who read up to this sentence, remember I said MAY MAY MAY Ok?

Okay, well if this new feature of allowing text links generates income for FC, then wouldn't that potentially delay any consideration of lowering that $3.00 bonus? Whether we use the feature or not, in a way, it does benefit all of us!

Just thought I'd tack that on for good measure.
Mike

[Annella]

However, you are out for profit

Isn't that what advertising is all about, trying to make a profit?

Sure, if people want to adopt a website that is $1 a month then fine. However, I would be surprised if it stayed that cheap in this economy.

I have been with them for several years and the price has been stable. The reason they can do it so cheap is they only have email support and no Cpanel, but for splash pages they are not necessary to have.

The "Banner" would not benefit anyone without a website. That's all I'm saying.

Absolutely untrue. The only people the "Banner" would not benefit is those who don't know how to use it. There are plenty of affiliate programs worthy of advertising that only require a link.

and if it works for everyone or just a select few.

The "Banner" works for anyone who wants to learn how to profit from it and that includes me.

Here's a question that you may not want to answer but I'm going to ask it anyway. Do you get referrals given to you if they are not someone else's referral?  

I have never received a referral from Fusioncash that I didn't enroll from my own efforts, I don't need charity.

Wait a minute, the banner still has to link to a website of some kind wouldn't it? The affiliate programs would have to intertwine somehow and "park"..........somewhere. Or are you talking about linking to Facebook, Twitter, etc? Which you can basically advertise on now without a banner. You can advertise affiliate programs on your own website (buy them) if your garnering sales. I don't see just throwing your banner out there anywhere free, unless you can tie/link them to a viable website of sorts. In order to get "hits" on your banner, it has to reside or pop up somewhere on a website, and that costs money if it's not your own, or it's buried among thousands similar to your own, on the free ones that are not worth it.

I do know that when you have a domain name/website, there is a process you go through to "target" certain words to enable hits to your site. You have to have some pretty decent hits to have one of the viable search engines pick you up. Sorry, I don't know too much about the process as I'm just learning how this works myself. Thing is, you still have to have a website to do it. Advertising is not free unless you can put it on your own sites, or people's sites that you know personally that have their own sites. You can link theirs and they yours gratis. For example, Inbox Dollars or Opinion Outpost, etc., is not going to let your banner pop up on their website without paying some big advertising bucks. Those are the affiliates that would be the most recognizable, and in the same business as FC.

I didn't mean for it to sound like I was accusing you of making a profit. Making a profit is the American Dream and open to us all. You see all the opportunities for a "banner" because you are mapped all over the web and linked out the wazoo. The question about the referrals given to you was to debunk or confirm a rumor.
 

[airsoft21]

Don't Change It!
I'm a noob to this site >.<

[Annella]

U2BMATH, What hot seat? It's a viable query to the optional proposal being presented. I would like an answer to my question which is:  If someone does not have a website previously up at the present, or is not planning to get one in the near future, what would the "Banner" option benefit them?  Where does, or would it point to?

While OldBuddy has his marketing websites in place, I can see the benefit for him personally to get behind the "Banner" option. However, not everybody has this in place.

Sorry Annella if my comment was taken the wrong way. I was speaking directly to Oldbuddy, and as I think I have somewhat of a re pore with him, I think he was able to handle the JOKE. No insult was intended. In fact, I never said he WAS in a hot seat, or that one existed. I said "appears" to be in. Whether he felt he was or not, well anyway, we get the point...

To you question you would like an answer to, I would have a question to answer a question, hope you don't mind. My question is this. Should every feature on Fusion Cash benefit every user of Fusion Cash? To my own question I would submit that it does not have to be so. I applaud FC's willingness to make this feature a "possibility" right now. Whether it actually comes to light, is yet to be seen.

I will say this. It didn't take me but a SECOND to notice Oldbuddy's text link, and to visit his splash page, and to track him down elsewhere on the internet. The end result is I found a tool I could use to benefit myself in what it is I do on the Internet. So I see the advantage not only to promote oneself, like Oldbuddy has done, but to benefit myself in seeing what else might be out there, that's working for someone else. And though I have a website of my own (being good, not plugging it), what I got as a benefit today, had nothing to do with that website.

I also see it as quite possible that not everyone will have a need to use this new feature FC is putting out (on a test drive for now). Does that mean that those of us who could use it to our benefit ought not to have it? I would hope not.

If some people are afraid of Email Viruses, then the $0.02 offer would be unbeneficial to them. Should that mean it ought to disappear? I think we would have a riot on our hands if that was the case.

If some people are enjoying the $3.00 Forum bonus, while others don't have time to be bothered with idle, or constructive conversation, should the $3.00 Forum bonus disappear? Again, break out the shields, cuz someone's gonna be throwing stones.

Anyway, I'm not so sure all my comments here are directly thrown at just you Annella. I'm just sorta blabbing away. It's past 2:30am where I am, and my mind isn't as coherent as it was six hours ago. Don't be bothered by much of what I've said. I just felt like sharing some points of view is all. My bet is I'll go to sleep, and wake up tomorrow, and re-read my post here, and wonder how in the world I'm supposed to make sense out of anything I wrote, hehe. And to think, I haven't had any alcohol while writing this thing up.

Now, here's an investment I like. I just put my two cents in, but got $0.10 in return. Not bad!
Mike

Hmmm, another night owl. I have trouble sleeping some nights so this gives me time to do some posting.

In answer to your question. No, the option does not have to pertain to everyone, but those who would want to use it. I would hope that FC would not set this in stone and take away the $3 bonus for those who would not use the banner, and only cater to those who would. I can definitely see OldBuddy getting behind this because how "visually present" he is on the web now. That didn't come overnight, as he told me he has been at this 11 years. If you think my campaign is that this new feature should be banned and nobody have it then you have mistaken my postings. However, it should not be the only option for everyone either.

Your comment about the revenue generated from this option could help retain the security of the $3 monthly bonus is humorous. Clearly you have not produced a Profit and Loss Statement or balanced the budget for a big company like I have. Fusion Cash is in the business of making money just like any other business. If they take the $3 bonus away, it's because they want to, because it's cutting into their profits, or they want higher profits. It's not a question of either the banner or the forum bonus. Since when does any business care about the little guy. Now, with that said, let me interject here before they kick my off of here. They are the best on the web (so far) for their members to earn the fastest. Nobody I know pays a $3 bonus for posting in a forum. However, if they take that away, and just leave the "banner' option, then they are catering to a select few that can generate them income, and shaft everybody else. They become nothing more than the greedy corporations hiding their money off shore....not cool. Why couldn't it be either or (a choice) for the members. Unfortunately 99% would vote for the bonus, because most people don't understand a lot how marketing and advertising works.

Okay, so you benefited today from something you found from OldBuddy's splash page. Did it cost you anything? And you say it wasn't something to benefit your website?  It has to link into it someway or somehow correct? If you are promoting yourself, then why wouldn't it link to your website, unless you are going for something totally different and you don't advertise on your site. All I'm saying is how can you just sit out there with a banner and have it not "link" anywhere, or identify you somehow? There has to be some identifying link to "park' somewhere for people to see it, and link it back to you. What I'm saying is that this is possible but is not free and cannot be possible without advertising dollars being spent. even if it's for the $1 website OldBuddy was talking about. It's still buying space. Or like I told Oldbuddy, you can put it on one of those free sites and get buried along with thousands of others just like you.

I'm finally getting tired enough to meet the sandman.

[Administrator]

Hey Annella, I think I caused some confusion with my posts the other day.  I will try to clarify --
1) The posting bonus is not changing or going away in the short term; in the long term, we may reduce the bonus amount.
2) The advertising on the forum is a separate new feature with which we are experimenting.
3) I am not intending to replace the forum bonus with "advertising credits" or anything like that.
4) I am not intending to change the policy about what is permissible to place in your signature.
5) I am probably going to setup an advertising system where anyone - FC member or not - can purchase banner and/or text ad impressions (or clicks) on the forums.

I recognize that the ability to advertise on the forums is going to appeal to a small percentage of users.  Most people without a website have little use for it. 
With that said, anyone can host a banner on a free image host and link it to a referral or affiliate link -- so it's definitely possible to make money advertising even if you don't have a website -- but it's not easy, and we'll also have restrictions on the kinds of sites that can be advertised (for example, sites that are direct competitors of FC will not be allowed).

And regarding "offshoring"... a lot of companies in our industry DO take their profits offshore (or to another state).  Many of those companies are having trouble with the IRS these days.  FC is a California corporation with offices in California, paying (steep, I might add) California taxes.  Did you know we'd have a substantially lower corporate tax rate if we moved to Sweden?

And lastly... it's true that if this new forum advertising results in substantial additional income for FC, we'd be less inclined to reduce the forum posting bonus in the future.  The posting bonus is (obviously) a "loss leader" and like any business we do pay close attention to our expenses.  After all, uncle sam gets almost half our profits...

[oldbuddy]

Just as a point of clarification, I am an affiliate for a group of products that require no website at all and do not conflict with Fusioncash either. All I do is pick one of the banners they host for me and link it to a special code that identifies me as the person who sent the prospect to the sales page and if they make a purchase, it puts the money directly in my PayPal account. So it is very realistic that I could advertise that link on Fusioncash and make money without having a website of my own. The problem is, the demographics of this forum would probably not match up with that kind of product nearly as well as what I have, so I'll spend the buck to have my own. Those that followed the link to my page may have noticed I don't own the domain, so there is no cost there. My hosting account allows me to use their domain free by supplying me a subdomain. There is a LOT to learn about this business, but it's not beyond the reach of anyone who wants to apply themselves.

When advertising by placing a "Banner" or link on a site like Fusioncash, search engines have nothing to do with it. The prospect is shown the "Banner" and goes directly to the site I advertised and big bucks do not need to be involved, there are many places that will allow that to happen for free.

[charmaine56]

 
your smart old buddy. you should teach me some of those things you do.

[dwiley11]

add to not take away