God is a Fake

[SherylsShado]

@Falconer02--

The point is there's a verse talking of smashing babies against rocks and being happy about it. Like the other dispicable verses throughout the book, that's horrible to say in a holy book that people preach no matter the context.

If you were Jewish and had your children's brains smashed on the rocks by the Babylonians "back in the day"...would you still think so?  It's so easy to sit in our little modern day "high tech" world with all the comforts & conveniences and think we'll never be in bondage and our children will always be safe.   The end-of-page notes at the bottom of the site you previously posted states that the "baby smashing" had been "foretold"/predicted.  The Babylonians probably laughed, scoffed and mocked thinking it could never happen.   What the Bible predicts/what God has said will happen...always happens.   War is two- sided and only one side gets to be victorious.  I would be willing to bet the victorious ALWAYS, in spite of having killed people of all ages and both sexes, had their songs of victory/victory dances/happy chants and the like.   People have always celebrated their victories and war has usually meant the grisly death & barbaric torture of many innocent people.  
     The prediction back then can be compared to our prediction for the future:  The Bible has predicted the return of Jesus.  Believers look forward to it.  Even though it means that we have family, friends, etc. that will be left behind because they refuse Christ in spite of our many prayers---when Jesus returns, it will be a happy day.  I imagine there will be alot of happy singing, not with the focus being on those that were left behind but rather on our final triumphing over satan.  Believers won't have to deal with him or his followers anymore.  Happy Day!  (Even though the Bible states that those left behind will be living in the worst of times and the only way to get to Jesus after that will more than likely be through martyrdom.)  Happy Day!!
     Those that are always so quick to say something to the effect that Christians are always willing to pray for others rather than actually having to help,  perhaps instead of spending so much time grieving the loss of the Babylonian babies smashed-to-bits way back then...perhaps could look into what can be done to help the children of TODAY that are starving, in need of medical attention, those precious souls being aborted (most methods have same outcome of being "smashed to pieces"), those that  have childhood diseases, the abused, those sold into prostitution, are targeted by drug cartel and intentionally murdered, those that are used by insurgents as "suicide bombers", those forced to be child soldiers...the list goes on & on how the "innocents" desperately need help today in 2012.  There are far too many that thought contributing a $1 to buy a "We are the World" single was all that needed to be done.  

the creation of gods came from things we just didn't understand in the primitive days

And that would be why topics in d&d always go in circles.  Your thought is that modern day advances can explain away God's existance while believers can see God's existance more than ever through modern day advances.  It's the modern day advances that allow believers to see current world events and how it is all lining up with what has been predicted in the Bible.  It is modern technology that is allowing the Word to be spread all around the globe faster than the Word has ever spread before.  It's modern day advances (possibly the computer) that will allow everyone to see Jesus' 2nd coming. (Matthew 24:30-31 ...' And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)  My guess is that there will probably be multiple "You-Tube" videos for those left behind to watch.  

Anyway, originally my point was:  If a FC member started the thread "Suzy is a fake" and then I came along and agreed that she is a fake...  Is it the OP and those in agreement with her that need to provide proof she's a fake or is it Suzy that needs to prove she's not a fake?  Because I would think that Suzy is "innocent"/not a fake until "proven guilty" by the OP/those in agreement.  In which case God is NOT a fake until proven beyond a doubt that He is...which this entire thread has failed to do.  Just someone stating that He is a fake...doesn't make it so.

I'm really trying not to get involved in the emotional quarrel here.

Just for clarification purposes, I wasn't trying to get you involved in any kind of quarrel.  I was just apologizing for the insult I implied with my typo.  I have the hissy on "ignore" like numerous others--- problem solved.  

[JediJohnnie]

This is typical of Falconer's method of debate.He asks a question to which he has already researched every possible reply and then sits back waiting to shoot down whoever bites.

Believer "Well,it says here--"

Falconer "That source doesn't count."

Believer "...And here it says--"

Falconer "That one doesn't either"

Believer "But,If you--"

Falconer "You don't really believe that,do you?"

And then he'll throw up a sarcastic graphic to demean the person's belief.

It doesn't really make sense to bother debating when the other person holds so little regard for the opposing person.

Of course,it's only slightly better than Falcon 9's method of throwing around $10 words and running a circler argument into the ground until the opposing person is completly disgusted and then proclaim "victory" for outlasting the other person's argument.

[Falconer02]

If you were Jewish and had your children's brains smashed on the rocks by the Babylonians "back in the day"...would you still think so?  It's so easy to sit in our little modern day "high tech" world with all the comforts & conveniences and think we'll never be in bondage and our children will always be safe.

Yes! It's a good thing we can get away from such barbaric treatment and focus on progressing and educating humanity-- shed ourselves of bronze-age mythology preaching about the barbaric treatment of others.

What the Bible predicts/what God has said will happen...always happens.

Your bible says differently quite a bit.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

People have always celebrated their victories and war has usually meant the grisly death & barbaric torture of many innocent people

So your general message is that we should all follow a genocidal god that usually implores this behavior?

The prediction back then can be compared to our prediction for the future:  The Bible has predicted the return of Jesus.  Believers look forward to it.  Even though it means that we have family, friends, etc. that will be left behind because they refuse Christ in spite of our many prayers---when Jesus returns, it will be a happy day.  I imagine there will be alot of happy singing, not with the focus being on those that were left behind but rather on our final triumphing over satan.  Believers won't have to deal with him or his followers anymore.  Happy Day!  (Even thought the Bible states that those left behind will be living in the worst of times and the only way to get to Jesus after that will more than likely be through martyrdom.)  

And that would be why topics in d&d always go in circles.  Your thought is that modern day advances can explain away God's existance while believers can see God's existance more than ever through modern day advances.  It's the modern day advances that allow believers to see current world events and how it is all lining up with what has been predicted in the Bible.  It is modern technology that is allowing the Word to be spread all around the globe faster than the Word has ever spread before.  It's modern day advances (possibly the computer) that will allow everyone to see Jesus' 2nd coming. (Matthew 24:30-31 ...' And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)  My guess is that there will probably be multiple "You-Tube" videos for those left behind to watch.  

I'm sorry to say this, but these statements are simple delusions of grandeur and uneducated dribble. Modern day advances always do away with gods because they provide factual explanations of natural/sociological phenomena where silly mythological ideas once were. What you're doing here is just pinning your god on the hard tiring scientific work done and saying it's proof of your god. It's heavily delusional, insulting to people who are constantly trying to get a better understanding of the universe, and simply not true. Though this will most likely not make a difference in your process of thought, I speak the truth because reality heavily opposes your views. You solely rely on an ancient book of false prophecies that can be interpreted any way you wish it to be-- a primitive cop-out.

perhaps could look into what can be done to help the children of TODAY that are starving, in need of medical attention, those precious souls being aborted (most methods have same outcome of being "smashed to pieces"), those that  have childhood diseases, the abused, those sold into prostitution, are targeted by drug cartel and intentionally murdered, those that are used by insurgents as "suicide bombers", those forced to be child soldiers...the list goes on & on how the "innocents" desperately need help today in 2012.

That is a very good and interesting point, though I find this an attempt to stray away from the original subject by introducing a dozen others.

[Falconer02]

JediJohnnie is an uneducated imbecile who simply cannot debate or discuss anything, and therefore I'd ask that nobody respond to his immature tactics and attempts to derail the thread. Back to responding to Sheryl--

[Falconer02]

Anyway, originally my point was:  If a FC member started the thread "Suzy is a fake" and then I came along and agreed that she is a fake...  Is it the OP and those in agreement with her that need to provide proof she's a fake or is it Suzy that needs to prove she's not a fake?  Because I would think that Suzy is "innocent"/not a fake until "proven guilty" by the OP/those in agreement.  In which case God is NOT a fake until proven beyond a doubt that He is...which this entire thread has failed to do.  Just someone stating that He is a fake...doesn't make it so.

As my previous example went- Just because someone stating that the dragon living in my peanut butter jar is fake...does not make it so. The problem is irrationality and absurdity. Does the dragon even exist? If so, then where is the proof it exists? The burden of proof is on the believers who believe in the almighty Suzy/dragon-- not the people questioning the believers. Considering the amount of evidences found that contradict the ideas of gods, the answer is most likely that they do not exist. Saying that they do w/o anything to back it up (outside of the botched holy books) is just irrational and outdated thinking that can be quite scary to people who implore reason and education (thus my overly-critical argument above having to do with the delusions of granduer).

Just for clarification purposes, I wasn't trying to get you involved in any kind of quarrel.  I was just apologizing for the insult I implied with my typo.  I have the hissy on "ignore" like numerous others--- problem solved.

Jcribb!? lol jk! I think you need to understand that he did not start any fight nor did he name call at any time (before he was attacked by you and jc). He uses the same terms I do since they do fit the aspects presented. However I did just skim the posts since I try to avoid the drama, so I may have misinterpreted the whole fiasco. I personally don't have anyone on ignore anymore since everyone should have a say. Plus, I enjoy Jedijohnnie's posts. He's obviously envious of everyone who can argue, so I'm under the impression he has some sort of "Forum-Napoleon complex" whenever he attacks.

[falcon9]

Falcon 9's method of throwing around $10 words

The words you cannot seem to comprehend don't cost a cent to learn.

and running a circler argument into the ground until the opposing person ...

That would be the opposing person(s) who are arguing in a circular manner, (i.e., 'believing because they have faith and having faith because they believe' type of circular premise).
 

...completly disgusted and then proclaim "victory" for outlasting the other person's argument.

There is no doubt that a few religious adherents have been unable to put forth a rational argument/line of reasoning to support their empty claims while simultaneously repeating those claims, (and then irrationally suggesting that challenges to such empty claims are "circular").   

[SherylsShado]

 Yes! It's a good thing we can get away from such barbaric treatment and focus on progressing and educating humanity-- shed ourselves of bronze-age mythology preaching about the barbaric treatment of others.  

Barbaric treatment still happens, it always will...and I expect it to get ALOT worse in the time to come.

Your bible says differently quite a bit.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html  

When you are looking for "answers", do you only rely on sites like these or do you compare what you find with Bible-based sites as well?   I ask because the answers to what is listed on the site you referenced can easily be found, they are explained on several well-known Christians websites, saving alot of time here.  (Credible sources EQUALS credible information.)  A smart person doesn't go to a obese person looking for diet tips, a smart person doesn't expect solid financial advice from a financial planner that has previously filed bankruptcy a few times and anyone that wants to know what the Bible really says--shouldn't be looking to secular websites for answers about what the Bible REALLY "says".  

So your general message is that we should all follow a genocidal god that usually implores this behavior?  

Where did I say that?  What about what I wrote or where is the Bible verse that says God is a "genocidal god" that implores this behavior?  God is a loving God.  God is a God of His Word.  God is fair and He is just.  Everyone gets their choice to choose what side they want to be on.   If they choose to be against Him...well, that's their option.   Those that follow Him are His children.  Just like any parent, is He not supposed to get ANGRY to know when a child of his is being tormented, abused, harassed, bullied, stolen from, spit on, etc.  Like any parent, He isn't going to sit by and let it happen forever.  He has promised His children justice.

 You do not as you solely rely on an ancient book of false prophecies that can be interpreted any way you wish it to be-- a primitive cop-out.

So, because I don't believe the same as you, I'm the one that is delusional and not living in reality?   I'm not so "blind" that I can't see why you would say/think so.   There are things that have happened in my Christian life that I would never put on the internet or say to any of my friends (even many of the "Christian" ones) because I can already hear their "judgment". Many of them have said things to me that they've experienced...and I've honestly had my "judgments" as well.  Things Christians experience, see...it isn't rational/logical many times.  We aren't so "delusional" that we don't know that.  We are told to "walk by faith and not by sight".   God is not limited to that which can only be seen or He wouldn't be God.  I don't think every answer, everything that exists exists entirely in what we perceive as "reality".  

It's only my opinion but I believe there's a whole lot going on around us day to day that is "unseen" by most.  It isn't just "Christians" that will agree--- there are many "believers" in angels, spirits/"guides", aliens, etc.   I'm not saying Christians are into ALL of that, just that there seems to be more going on in our world "than meets the eye".  

 Sometimes you write things Falconer02 that come across as being "spiteful" and so I know that sometimes when you have read things I have posted, you thought I was being "spiteful" as well.  I have never intended to be spiteful, I don't think you have either...I think it's just because we are so into our "beliefs" that it's sometimes difficult to expect what/how the other is feeling.   I'm not a pastor or anything.   There's no delicate way to tell someone that according to the Bible, they are on the wrong path.  If you're going to d&d the Bible, there's no skipping over that part...it's kind of important.  

God wants people to use faith, our brain, our hearts and our "eyes".  This quote isn't from the Bible, it's just a quote I heard..."God sleeps in the Minerals, Awakens in Plants, Walks in the Animals and Thinks in Man".  He has given us the "clues" we need to know He's there.  He has put the desire in man's hearts to long for Him...those that know Christ have "no voids", nothing "missing" in their lives.  They are "whole", He completes them.  One might say their "significant other" does that...but that's only temporary.  A person can have a "significant other", even many "others" in their life and still have that "void".

That is a very good and interesting point, though I find this an attempt to stray away from the original subject by introducing a dozen others.

It wasn't an attempt to stray anywhere...just trying to get some to direct their grief towards more productive channels.

I think you need to understand that he did not start any fight nor did he name call at any time (before he was attacked by you and jc). He uses the same terms I do since they do fit the aspects presented. However I did just skim the posts since I try to avoid the drama, so I may have misinterpreted the whole fiasco.

I'm not so close-minded that I can't say perhaps I misinterpreted the whole fiasco.  I'm not sure what is wrong with him, but I bet it's something hard to pronounce.  He might not be as bad as the "drama-queen" that used to be on FC however,  I don't care for his drama and that is why he's on ignore until he can prove he deserves otherwise.

[falcon9]

JediJohnnie is an uneducated imbecile who simply cannot debate or discuss anything, and therefore I'd ask that nobody respond to his immature tactics and attempts to derail the thread. Back to responding to Sheryl--

I came across your post after replying to the "fundie sith" however, I would alter one aspect of your assessment, (there being sufficient evidence posted by "johnnie" to support it).  That is, he may be 'under-educated' rather than enirely uneducated given that he appears to possess the minimal skills necessary to go online ond post babbling inanities.

[SherylsShado]

 "I read an article on creation in Encyclopedia Britannica that said the genetic structure in one human being was the equivalent of a library of 1000 books, 500 pages per book, with closely printed, single-spaced type--yet the person who wrote that article said chance evolution brought that genetic structure into being! How ludicrous! If he walked into any library and saw the thousand volumes of closely printed text placed nearly on the shelves, that same person would never say, "My, I guess this just happened by random chance." No, he or she would have to admit that someone put the order together and keeps it together. The order of the universe is one of the strongest "proofs" for God's existence."---
http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/BringItOn/bible-index.aspx#5

[falcon9]

When you are looking for "answers", do you only rely on sites like these or do you compare what you find with Bible-based sites as well?   I ask because the answers to what is listed on the site you referenced can easily be found, they are explained on several well-known Christians websites, saving alot of time here.  (Credible sources EQUALS credible information.)  

Unfortunately, those xtian sources are inherently biased and therefore, not credible.  Before you suggest that non-xtian sources are 'biased' against xtianity, the difference is that skeptical sources are those which skeptically question religious assumptions while the religious sources do not, (for the most part), even consider questioning their 'faith-based' "answers".

Things Christians experience, see...it isn't rational/logical many times.  We aren't so "delusional" that we don't know that.

Yet, you are seemingly delusional enough to claim to "see" & "experience" irrational/illogical "things", (since that which isn't rational/logical is the opposite).
 


 
[quotefrom Falconer02] I think you need to understand that he did not start any fight nor did he name call at any time (before he was attacked by you and jc). He uses the same terms I do since they do fit the aspects presented. However I did just skim the posts since I try to avoid the drama, so I may have misinterpreted the whole fiasco.
[/quote]

I'm not so close-minded that I can't say perhaps I misinterpreted the whole fiasco.

Your posting attitude does not reflect even a glimmer of truth in your "perhaps" statement.
 

I'm not sure what is wrong with him, but I bet it's something hard to pronounce.

Now there you go, assuming that there must be something "wrong" with someone who disagrees with your superstitious nonsense.  There is a word for your attitude; "self-delusional", (not at all hard to pronounce).  Btw, you entirely dodged "Falconer02's" point about "I think you need to understand that he did not start any fight nor did he name call at any time (before he was attacked by you and jc)."  This is probably due to such attempts to 'shift blame' failing entirely.

He might not be as bad as the "drama-queen" that used to be on FC however,  I don't care for his drama and that is why he's on ignore until he can prove he deserves otherwise.

Bull.  Your false characterization of "drama-queen" does not divert away from the fact that you had a 'hissy-fit' concerning my alternate point of view concerning 'prayer' and tried to restrict or silence such opposing viewpoints under the charade of "politeness" & "respect".  Given the availabiliy of several examples, (available in the "Thank You" thread, with numerous message IDs available as specific examples), that evidence clearly indicates that _you_ "Sheryls" have been acting like the "drama-queen" here.  I may have metaphorically thrown kerosene on your drama-fire but, you're the one who lit it.  Please keep my posts on "ignore", that way you'll be able to pretend that you can continue to dodge salient points which your are unable to refute.

[falcon9]

"I read an article on creation in Encyclopedia Britannica that said the genetic structure in one human being was the equivalent of a library of 1000 books, 500 pages per book, with closely printed, single-spaced type--yet the person who wrote that article said chance evolution brought that genetic structure into being! How ludicrous! If he walked into any library and saw the thousand volumes of closely printed text placed nearly on the shelves, that same person would never say, "My, I guess this just happened by random chance."

The two are not parallels.  Books cannot evolve instead, new books are written.  The genetic codes of people can evolve, (or devolve), or mutate.   

No, he or she would have to admit that someone put the order together and keeps it together.

No such false assumption would have to be admitted since the parallel fails because people write books and the implicit assumption that some hypothetical deity 'wrote' the genetic codes of people is an unsupported 'faith-based' theory.

The order of the universe is one of the strongest "proofs" for God's existence."---

Any apparent order or chaos in the universe cannot be accurately attributed to the existence of any "god".  Such unsupported attributions are entirely circular in nature since they consist of using the premise to substantiate itself, ("a use of reason in which the premises depends on or is equivalent to the conclusion, a method of false logic by which "this is used to prove that, and that is used to prove this"; also called circular logic" - dictionary.com).  One could just as easily posit that 'The order of the universe is one of the strongest "proofs" for the invisible pink unicorn's existence'.  Unless such an attribution/cause can be conclusively linked to a deity/effect, that attribution is unfounded.

[queenofnines]

"I read an article on creation in Encyclopedia Britannica that said the genetic structure in one human being was the equivalent of a library of 1000 books, 500 pages per book, with closely printed, single-spaced type--yet the person who wrote that article said chance evolution brought that genetic structure into being! How ludicrous! If he walked into any library and saw the thousand volumes of closely printed text placed nearly on the shelves, that same person would never say, "My, I guess this just happened by random chance."

I just wanted to throw my two cents in on this one real quick.  

First of all, the complexity of DNA did not happen overnight.  Nothing has ever gone from a bacteria to a full-fledged mammal in a single step.  It took billions of years for life to evolve to what it is today, so it is really ignorant to throw out taunts about tornados blasting through junkyards and forming Boeing 737s and the like.

Secondly, evolution is far from random.  It's all about natural selection and adaptation, baby.  Evolution is so good at not being random that it has some of you convinced our functioning parts were crafted by a "designer".  Until you study our tailbones or crappy eyes or male vas deferens setup, that is.  

[falcon9]

"I read an article on creation in Encyclopedia Britannica that said the genetic structure in one human being was the equivalent of a library of 1000 books, 500 pages per book, with closely printed, single-spaced type--yet the person who wrote that article said chance evolution brought that genetic structure into being! How ludicrous! If he walked into any library and saw the thousand volumes of closely printed text placed nearly on the shelves, that same person would never say, "My, I guess this just happened by random chance."

I just wanted to throw my two cents in on this one real quick.  

First of all, the complexity of DNA did not happen overnight.  Nothing has ever gone from a bacteria to a full-fledged mammal in a single step.  It took billions of years for life to evolve to what it is today, so it is really ignorant to throw out taunts about tornados blasting through junkyards and forming Boeing 737s and the like.

Secondly, evolution is far from random.  It's all about natural selection and adaptation, baby.  Evolution is so good at not being random that it has some of you convinced our functioning parts were crafted by a "designer".  Until you study our tailbones or crappy eyes or male vas deferens setup, that is.  

Your first point elaborates why a parallel between books in a library, (which didn't get there randomly nor, via 'evolution'), and human gentic codes is a false analogy.  The implicit counter-argument is probably roughly along the lines of postulating that some supernatual entity 'created' the original human genetic codes however, such a postulation has zero credible evidence to support it.  

The examples of genetic 'design flaws' in your second point iterate that, not only does there appear to be no initial 'design' per se but, that if genetic codes were 'perfectly designed' no latter flaws would develop in the humun genome.  Since there manifeslt are gentic flaws, any initial 'design' was imperfect.  Converrsely, if the human genome developed over millennia through mutation/evolution, we'd get the manifestation of the genetic flaws apparent today.

 

[loulizlee]

"Your simple denial in the face of evidence you posted which contradicts your denial.  That evidence consists of posts you made which adhere to unsubstantiated religious doctrines, beliefs and faith. Fundamentalism is the strict adherence to specific theological doctrines, combined with a vigorous attack on outside threats to their religious beliefs."  Falcon9

One more comment from me and I am out of this never-ending debate (??).  The comment you posted regarding my assertion that I am not a fundamentalist is made with an assumption that you know what goes on in my head.  I have gone through this entire thread and other topics to which I have posted to see if I have posted anything that seems to show extremism on my part.  There is no "strict adherence to specific theological doctrines, combined with a vigorous attack on outside threats to their religious beliefs."  I am a Christian, not a fundamentalist - there is a difference.  I have made no "vigorous" attack on outside threats to my religious beliefs.  I believe that anyone can believe whatever they want to believe; my words are not going to change them.  Most of my posts on this thread were an attempt to show that your "vigorous attacks" seem to indicate some sort of psychological problem.  I am not a psychologist, but there seems to be something lacking in your life that causes you to interminably attack anyone who disagrees with you, especially on one particular subject. 

[Falconer02]

Barbaric treatment still happens, it always will...and I expect it to get ALOT worse in the time to come.

I do not. Due to technology and more civilized methods in all fields slowly being spreading across the world, I expect it to slowly get better. Though I'm certain barbaric treatment will still happen, it will diminish if we can get the education out there. We're living in a time where we can see or read what's happening on the other side of the world within a few seconds. When people who are being treated poorly see how people are living better in other countries, they will fight oppression and attempt to make there own lives better. We've seen this in the middle east and northern africa already. It's not getting worse (aside from Syria :-( ). It's CHANGING. It's always changing! Always has, always will. Optimism > Pessimism

When you are looking for "answers", do you only rely on sites like these or do you compare what you find with Bible-based sites as well?   I ask because the answers to what is listed on the site you referenced can easily be found, they are explained on several well-known Christians websites, saving alot of time here.

I'm sure this comes as a surprise, but I actually do most of the time. The problem with looking at these xtian sources is they usually just leave out the problems, or depend on irrational and vague loopholes to work around them. Answersingenesis is a PRIME example of this as I've seen it atleast 100 times in the past while reading their articles. Here's an example of what I mean-

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm#56

Gen 3:8 - "Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden."

Let's also add the next verse to strengthen the critics case: "But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
How could one hide from God? Why does God need to ask this question?

First, what Adam and Eve could have hid from is merely the visible and special manifestation of the Lord. As for God's seeming ignorance, anyone with children can recognize the utility of such questions. If a child is known to have broken a lamp, it is better to question the child than to simply accuse her. The former approach enables the child to take an active role in her wrong-doing, and allows for her to apologize.

The amount of assumption here and the attempt to relate the supernatural to the natural is bonkers. And the major problem still exists-- that is not what it says in the bible. Not to mention if we are to 'interpret' the lines, it just shows how utterly poor and vague it is written. This is a perfect example of a cop-out argument and shows that one can interpret the bible however one wants to if the original words contradict others. It is why I take issue with xtian sources-- they're constant irrational arguments that over-exaggerate or flat-out lie about the evidences they bring to the table.

What about what I wrote or where is the Bible verse that says God is a "genocidal god" that implores this behavior?  God is a loving God.  God is a God of His Word.  God is fair and He is just.

The flood.

So, because I don't believe the same as you, I'm the one that is delusional and not living in reality?

Because you believe in and apply mythology as if it really happened. Thus you do not seem to be living in reality due to this quality. Remember-- I'm targeting your arguments for religion. They aren't personal attacks on your well-being as you seem to be interpreting them as (some of the things below this quote that you wrote).

It's only my opinion but I believe there's a whole lot going on around us day to day that is "unseen" by most.  It isn't just "Christians" that will agree--- there are many "believers" in angels, spirits/"guides", aliens, etc.   I'm not saying Christians are into ALL of that, just that there seems to be more going on in our world "than meets the eye"

Tread lightly. The amount of frauds and fakes out there are staggering though-- me being a member of the JREF allows me to see them every single day. If you take religion out of the picture, the majority of these frauds would suddenly cease. And it ultimately comes down to just not stepping in the BS. I recall Jcribb making a thread where there was a fire in Egypt during the riots, and the camera lens recording the footage reflected what looked like a guy on a horse (a very mentally challenged-looking individual who was riding on it backwards, but that's aside the point). She believed it to be a religious sign of the end, though once I debunked it, she still believed it to be. These types of beliefs are easily comparable to the people who spot the face of Jesus in their burnt toast or tortilla chips, though if you give me an example or any research you've found if you want. I'd be happy to analyze the basics of it. I'll keep the skepticism at a minimal level.

Sometimes you write things Falconer02 that come across as being "spiteful" and so I know that sometimes when you have read things I have posted, you thought I was being "spiteful" as well.  I have never intended to be spiteful, I don't think you have either...I think it's just because we are so into our "beliefs" that it's sometimes difficult to expect what/how the other is feeling.   I'm not a pastor or anything.   There's no delicate way to tell someone that according to the Bible, they are on the wrong path.  If you're going to d&d the Bible, there's no skipping over that part...it's kind of important.  

Oh no! I'll admit it- I show a major disdain towards organized religion as a whole since it has done a lot more harm than good throughout history (the Dark Ages alone as my first witness). Though today I really have nothing against the well-being of the people who worship such things, I have major problems with their complete lack of reasoning skills since it can easily be dangerous and damage the common good. It comes down to grown adults still taking part in fantasy and trying to pass that along to the next generation. When my nice neighbor told me the world couldn't be older than 10,000 years, I cried a little inside. Fortunately her 10 and 14 year old kids were smarter.

God wants people to use faith, our brain, our hearts and our "eyes".

If your god wanted us to use our brains, he'd disappear and make his way into ancient mythology just like all of the other gods. It's happening already in developed nations- religion turning into simple and faint cultural memories. It's better to have faith in family and friends than to have faith in an epic golden sky castle in the afterlife. It's more reasonable too.