God is a Fake

[falcon9]

I believe in God wholeheartedly and i'm pretty sure you believe what you believe wholeheartedly.

Then you'd be incorrect, (again); belief is unnecessary.  Something either exists or, it does not.  If it exists, evidence supporting such an existence also exists.  If it does not exist, no evidence will be found to support non-existence.

My only issue is when people say. "prove that god is real", well, you prove to me that he isn't...

Same logical fallacy, different xtian.  Once again, the person who makes the initial claim, (that would be you), has the burden of proof to support their claim.  It is irrational to expect the one who challenges your claim to go around proving any number of things _don't exist_, (let alone helping you out with your specious claims).  Simply put, a requirement to prove that 'invisible pink unicorns DON'T exist' is exactly the same as demanding one prove an 'invisible deity doesn't exist'.  It would be unreasonable for me to request that you prove invisible pink unicorns don't exist, (however, if I claimed they did - and I haven't - the burden of proof would be on me).  Does this clarify the burden of proof in making a claim/stating an empty opinion?

[lanenadixon]

LOL!! Not that you have a point or anything. I just choose not to respond, you have a blessed night!!!!     

[falcon9]

LOL!! Not that you have a point or anything. I just choose not to respond, you have a blessed night!!!!     

So, you responded to let me know that you chose not to respond?  Thank you for providing some substantiation to the contention that your ability to reason is speculative and theoretical at best.

[marciaenglish]

Duh; say that again? 

[jordandog]

You really ought to take lessons from the true Christians on here (jcribb, sherlsshadow, a few others not around) because they remain open to hearing from we 'awful people' and aren't blatantly hypocritical and 'shallow' like you appear to be in what you've written.

@jordandog
     There's something about saying someone is a "true Christian" and implying someone else is not that makes me uncomfortable.  I think every Christian should strive to be the best example of the Lord that they are following.  We're called to be 'humble servants' just as Jesus was.  There's no record of Jesus ever being "cocky".  Christians aren't perfect, one can't expect them to be because no one IS perfect. 

     You all know I'm not perfect...and I KNOW you (as well as the others) are NOT 'awful people' and are NOT blatantly hypocritical or shallow.  Remember that is something that I had "to learn" though.  When I first came on FC, I treated unbelievers BADLY.  I'm not even sure why or where it comes from that so many Believers think it's ok to act like that.  If it hadn't been for falconer02, I could STILL be "mean"...    I would have missed out on each one of you which, would have been sad because I consider each one of you to be a Special Blessing in my life.   

I see what you are saying re my "true Christian" reference. I should have worded it differently (that good old 'hindsight'), but in my mind I knew what traits I was thinking of and they were not traits that came through in richrd42's words.

Christians aren't perfect, one can't expect them to be because no one IS perfect.

I try my best NOT to put expectations on anyone but myself, all that does is lead to disappointment. I know my own capabilities and also my limits. It is the members who not only imply their 'perfection', because they can say they are Christian, but also imply we non-religious don't have a snowball's chance in Hades to become worthy of existing on the same planet with them unless we surrender and submit as they have.

I have to wonder if richrd42 will come back to this topic, see posts after his, and [possibly] reconsider his own wording and how it came across. That alone is another key difference and ties in with what you said about yourself when you began posting in the Forums. If you/me/anyone didn't have the desire to learn why a particular opinion's given or a particular view is taken, we learn nothing and remain stagnate in our own little world of "I am right and they are all wrong!". I've told my friends/family I don't want to ever be remembered as 'a grumpy old broad who never listened to anyone else because she was always right'. Thankfully, I am able to come to FC, take the burdens of life off my shoulders for awhile, and interract with the friends like you (and enemies too ) I have gained here. Correct me, put me in line, make me take a look at a different point of view; just do it without holding empty threats over my head such as, "You will burn in h*ll and I won't."

[kfannin]

I really am realizing that God is a fake but I could create my own like a God is general that keeps everything in balance but not a personal Savior type of God.

What God do you believe in?

I believe in my personal savior God who is All knowing and a loving God. 

[SherylsShado]

@jordandog:

  I liked what you said about not putting expectations on others because of disappointment.  Even when others try their best not to disappoint others, it still happens.

I've told my friends/family I don't want to ever be remembered as 'a grumpy old broad who never listened to anyone else because she was always right'.

   
LOL, last week an older lady told me that I was "entitled to have an opinion---I just wasn't allowed to say it out loud".   I would bet that that's a "rule" that applies to her hubby too.

but also imply we non-religious don't have a snowball's chance in Hades to become worthy of existing on the same planet with them unless we surrender and submit as they have.

They just seem to forget how it when they were the ones wearing "non-religious" shoes.  Those that get "saved" out of fear of hell are usually the ones that don't stay with their decision.  Many believers don't realize that this is 2012 and most non-believers have been to church at least once and could probably give a more detailed description of hell than the average believer, simply because they've heard about it so many times.  As a Believer, I don't believe in "skipping over it, or around it". (The "hell" issue.)  If it's real, it's for eternity.  Jesus said He was the ONLY WAY to get there. 

I saw something the other day where someone was asking why Jesus just didn't let good people into Heaven regardless of them being saved and the reply was "would you let strangers move into your house for eternity"?  That personal relationship with Jesus is important. 

I think people have encountered so much these days from tv, the internet, movies that there isn't much fear of hell anymore.   I have been researching as many "life after death" experiences that I can find and of the ones that go to Heaven... not one wanted to come back.  Of the ones that encountered hell...not one wanted to stay.

[falcon9]

As a Believer, I don't believe in "skipping over it, or around it". (The "hell" issue.)  If it's real, it's for eternity.  Jesus said He was the ONLY WAY to get there. 

I must have missed the part where someone said he said he "was the ONLY WAY to get there" in regards to "hell" context. Although that aspect probably makes "sense" within the religious concept of 'divine judgement'.

[jordandog]

Thank you.  By the way, you aren't "awful, hypocritical, or shallow!"

And thank you, was happy to see you were back here posting - unless you have been and I missed it? I 'assumed' you took a break due to your health problems, but could be very wrong. I have thought of you often and especially the last couple months. Our E.R. has been overflowing with asthma and breathing problems, so many little ones have been admitted. This is going to be a very bad year as far as pollen counts and I hope you 'weather it' well, as well as possible.

[sigmapi1501]

Falcon9, by your logic "love" doesn't exist.  Almost all of us believe in it. There is no evidence that it exists.

[falcon9]

Falcon9, by your logic "love" doesn't exist.  Almost all of us believe in it. There is no evidence that it exists.

Some would say that there's at least circumstantial evidence for "love", (or for "hate", "envy", "lust", general "warm fuzzies").

There's a difference between the unperceived existence of a 'concept' and the perception of that which isn't purely conceptual.  If the periperheral effects are observed to be directly, (causally), attributible to a concept, that's indirect evidence.  If peripheral effects are have no attributible connection to the concept otehr than a belief, that isn't evidence.

[sigmapi1501]

There's a difference between the unperceived existence of a 'concept' and the perception of that which isn't purely conceptual.  If the periperheral effects are observed to be directly, (causally), attributible to a concept, that's indirect evidence.  If peripheral effects are have no attributible connection to the concept otehr than a belief, that isn't evidence.

LOL... But the indentations that speculate from photosynthesis postulate that hypothesis. A neophyte may consider methamphetamine a source of energy however contrasting observations demand evidence. 

[falcon9]

LOL... But the indentations that speculate from photosynthesis postulate that hypothesis. A neophyte may consider methamphetamine a source of energy however contrasting observations demand evidence. 

The only thing that can be 'proven' about someone else's hallucinations is that circumstantial evidence may show they're having them, (not that the hallucination exists as a 'real thing' to anyone else).

[jcribb16]

Thank you.  By the way, you aren't "awful, hypocritical, or shallow!"

And thank you, was happy to see you were back here posting - unless you have been and I missed it? I 'assumed' you took a break due to your health problems, but could be very wrong. I have thought of you often and especially the last couple months. Our E.R. has been overflowing with asthma and breathing problems, so many little ones have been admitted. This is going to be a very bad year as far as pollen counts and I hope you 'weather it' well, as well as possible.

It's great to see you!  Yes, I did take a break, mainly from debating; still did my paid stuff and posted here and there. 

Actually this past Friday and Sunday, I had asthma attacks (breathing/coughing/almost fainting from not getting my air.)  I was in Walmart that Friday, and it really scared me almost passing out.  Their workers and asst. manager were right there helping me to sit, placing cold wraps on my neck, and bringing me hot coffee - for my throat and by then my sugar had dropped, too, so the coffee helped.  They were going to call an ambulance but I asked them to call my family instead.  I probably should have gone, but with no work, I can't afford the bill when it comes in.  Sunday was a repeat and I've seen my lung doctor since.  So I'm on an antibiotic, again, for bronchitis, and my nebulizer every 4 to 6 hours.  With an agreement that if it happens again, I WILL go in.

I sure hope those little ones are okay.  It's hard enough for an adult, but I really feel bad for kids because it can get scary and some just can't understand what's happening.   I'm pretty much confined to inside over the summer.  They finally figured out that my allergy cells don't protect me from the outside pollutants, pollens, etc., and started me on Xolair shots (subcutaneous injections monthly.)  They help my quality of life better, but not so well in the summer, including the heat.

Sorry, I rambled on.  I know you are busy!  But it is really nice seeing you again!  Hope you keep yourself well, too! 

[sigmapi1501]

LOL... But the indentations that speculate from photosynthesis postulate that hypothesis. A neophyte may consider methamphetamine a source of energy however contrasting observations demand evidence. 

The only thing that can be 'proven' about someone else's hallucinations is that circumstantial evidence may show they're having them, (not that the hallucination exists as a 'real thing' to anyone else).

That's what I mean.  I have never personally experienced it but some, many actually people claim they can "feel" God in their life. I'm agnostic but have a tiny hope that there is a God. Don't pee in my cheerios. If Cub fans can believe that they will someday win a world series why can't I believe that I have a soul?

Oh yea, because people use God as a means to control. They claim to know his will and even filled a few books with "his" words.  Ok, now I see why maybe this guy could be dangerous.